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PERVEZ HOODBHOY


Our generals say India’s spy agency RAW is up to its nasty tricks again. No evidence provided but, okay, we’ll buy the story for now. There are two good reasons. First, it’s safer not to question the wisdom of generals. Second, they speak from deep experience, having long played the spy-versus-spy game across borders.

So let’s provisionally assume that India’s spies have engineered the odd bomb blast here and there, and send occasional gifts to the BLF or other militant Baloch movements.

But RAW’s alleged antics are pinpricks compared to the massive and irreversible brain damage that Pakistan’s schools, colleges, and universities inflict upon their students.

Imagine that some devilish enemy has perfected a super weapon that destroys reasoning power and makes a population stupid. One measure, though not the only one, of judging the lethality of this hypothetical weapon would be lower math scores.

Read: RAW instigating terrorism, says army

No such scores are actually available, but for over 40 years my colleagues and I have helplessly watched student math abilities shrivel.

Only the wealthy customers of elite private schools and universities, tethered as they are to standards of the external world, have escaped wholesale dumbing down. As for the ordinary 99pc, with the rare exception of super-bright students here or there, some form of mental polio is turning most into math duffers.

Imagine that an enemy has perfected a super weapon that destroys reasoning power.
Does being poor at math really matter? After all there are plenty of intelligent people everywhere, even brilliant ones, who hate math and therefore are bad at it. But this is only because they had dull and uninspiring teachers who never taught them that math is a beautiful exercise of reason, one step at a time. Once on track, you quickly realise that math is the most magnificent, surprising, and powerful of all human achievements.

The success of the human species over other forms of life on planet Earth depends squarely on mathematics. Without math the pyramids could not have been built, navigation would be impossible, electricity could not have been discovered and put to use, factories and industries would not exist, computers and space exploration would be unimaginable, etc.

Here’s how bad our situation is: in a recent math class, I had rather typical 18-20 year-olds from non-elite schools. They had studied geometry but their teachers had not exposed them to the notion of proof — the step-by-step process in which one starts with a proposition, carefully constructs arguments, and then triumphantly arrives at the conclusion.

Instead, they were taught math as a hodgepodge of recipes. A few they remembered, the rest were forgotten.

I nearly wept to see that barely three to four students out of 60 could prove the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. None could prove that similar triangles have proportional sides. Quite a few had difficulty with fractions, some did not know how to take the square root of four or nine or unless armed with a calculator, and translating even simple real-life situations (like compound interest) into equations was difficult. Twelve-year-old kids in Japan or Europe would have done better.

Their teachers are still worse. Earlier I had the misfortune of teaching math courses to college math teachers. In their late 30s or early 40s, most were staid and stable family men who had come to university, expecting to get a higher degree and hence a higher pay grade.

But for all their years of teaching math, they were blanks. Diluting my nominally ‘advanced math’ course to a beginning level course did not help. My conscience could not allow a single teacher to pass.

Could the use of English — a difficult language for all except ‘O’ and ‘A’ level students — reasonably explain this dreadful situation? I am sympathetic to this point of view and therefore use Urdu exclusively in my physics and math lectures, both in distance learning modules and in real-time teaching (except when a university’s regulations require that I teach in English). But this barely solves 10-20pc of the problem.

So then is the math curriculum at fault? It certainly can be improved but almost the same topics in math and science are listed in Pakistani curricula as would expectedly be covered by a similar cohort internationally. In fact, primary school children in Pakistan are expected to carry a bigger burden than overseas kids.

The impediment to learning proper math is just one — wrong learning goals, wrong attitudes. Mathematics does not require labs, computers, or fancy gadgetry. But it does demand mental capacity and concentration. Nothing is true in math unless established by argumentation based upon a rigorous chain of logic, with each link firmly attached to the preceding one. The teacher who cannot correctly solve a math problem by following the defined logic will suffer loss of face before his students.

Contrast this with the madressah model wherein truth is defined by the teacher and prescribed books. The teacher’s job is to convey the book contents, and the student’s job is to appropriately absorb and memorise. There are no problems to be solved, nor is challenging suppositions or checking logical consistency either encouraged or even tolerated.

Limited to religious learning, such learning attitudes are perfectly fine. But their absorption into secular parts of the education system is disastrous. The hafiz-i-science or hafiz-i-math, which are copiously produced, carry exactly zero worth.

Giving logic a back seat has led to more than diminished math or science skills. The ordinary Pakistani person’s ability to reason out problems of daily life has also diminished. There is an increased national susceptibility to conspiracy theories, decreased ability to tell friend from foe, and more frequent resort to violence rather than argumentation. The quality of Pakistan’s television channels reflects today’s quality of thought.

For too long education reform advocates have been barking up the wrong tree. A bigger education budget, better pay for teachers, more schools and universities, or changing instructional languages will not improve learning outcomes. As long as teachers and students remain shackled to the madressah mindset, they will remain mentally stunted. The real challenge lies in figuring out how to set their minds free.

The writer teaches physics and mathematics in Lahore and Islamabad.

More lethal than RAW - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
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More lethal than RAW
PERVEZ HOODBHOY


Our generals say India’s spy agency RAW is up to its nasty tricks again. No evidence provided but, okay, we’ll buy the story for now. There are two good reasons. First, it’s safer not to question the wisdom of generals. Second, they speak from deep experience, having long played the spy-versus-spy game across borders.

So let’s provisionally assume that India’s spies have engineered the odd bomb blast here and there, and send occasional gifts to the BLF or other militant Baloch movements.

But RAW’s alleged antics are pinpricks compared to the massive and irreversible brain damage that Pakistan’s schools, colleges, and universities inflict upon their students.

Imagine that some devilish enemy has perfected a super weapon that destroys reasoning power and makes a population stupid. One measure, though not the only one, of judging the lethality of this hypothetical weapon would be lower math scores.

Read: RAW instigating terrorism, says army

No such scores are actually available, but for over 40 years my colleagues and I have helplessly watched student math abilities shrivel.

Only the wealthy customers of elite private schools and universities, tethered as they are to standards of the external world, have escaped wholesale dumbing down. As for the ordinary 99pc, with the rare exception of super-bright students here or there, some form of mental polio is turning most into math duffers.

Imagine that an enemy has perfected a super weapon that destroys reasoning power.
Does being poor at math really matter? After all there are plenty of intelligent people everywhere, even brilliant ones, who hate math and therefore are bad at it. But this is only because they had dull and uninspiring teachers who never taught them that math is a beautiful exercise of reason, one step at a time. Once on track, you quickly realise that math is the most magnificent, surprising, and powerful of all human achievements.

The success of the human species over other forms of life on planet Earth depends squarely on mathematics. Without math the pyramids could not have been built, navigation would be impossible, electricity could not have been discovered and put to use, factories and industries would not exist, computers and space exploration would be unimaginable, etc.

Here’s how bad our situation is: in a recent math class, I had rather typical 18-20 year-olds from non-elite schools. They had studied geometry but their teachers had not exposed them to the notion of proof — the step-by-step process in which one starts with a proposition, carefully constructs arguments, and then triumphantly arrives at the conclusion.

Instead, they were taught math as a hodgepodge of recipes. A few they remembered, the rest were forgotten.

I nearly wept to see that barely three to four students out of 60 could prove the angles of a triangle add up to 180 degrees. None could prove that similar triangles have proportional sides. Quite a few had difficulty with fractions, some did not know how to take the square root of four or nine or unless armed with a calculator, and translating even simple real-life situations (like compound interest) into equations was difficult. Twelve-year-old kids in Japan or Europe would have done better.

Their teachers are still worse. Earlier I had the misfortune of teaching math courses to college math teachers. In their late 30s or early 40s, most were staid and stable family men who had come to university, expecting to get a higher degree and hence a higher pay grade.

But for all their years of teaching math, they were blanks. Diluting my nominally ‘advanced math’ course to a beginning level course did not help. My conscience could not allow a single teacher to pass.

Could the use of English — a difficult language for all except ‘O’ and ‘A’ level students — reasonably explain this dreadful situation? I am sympathetic to this point of view and therefore use Urdu exclusively in my physics and math lectures, both in distance learning modules and in real-time teaching (except when a university’s regulations require that I teach in English). But this barely solves 10-20pc of the problem.

So then is the math curriculum at fault? It certainly can be improved but almost the same topics in math and science are listed in Pakistani curricula as would expectedly be covered by a similar cohort internationally. In fact, primary school children in Pakistan are expected to carry a bigger burden than overseas kids.

The impediment to learning proper math is just one — wrong learning goals, wrong attitudes. Mathematics does not require labs, computers, or fancy gadgetry. But it does demand mental capacity and concentration. Nothing is true in math unless established by argumentation based upon a rigorous chain of logic, with each link firmly attached to the preceding one. The teacher who cannot correctly solve a math problem by following the defined logic will suffer loss of face before his students.

Contrast this with the madressah model wherein truth is defined by the teacher and prescribed books. The teacher’s job is to convey the book contents, and the student’s job is to appropriately absorb and memorise. There are no problems to be solved, nor is challenging suppositions or checking logical consistency either encouraged or even tolerated.

Limited to religious learning, such learning attitudes are perfectly fine. But their absorption into secular parts of the education system is disastrous. The hafiz-i-science or hafiz-i-math, which are copiously produced, carry exactly zero worth.

Giving logic a back seat has led to more than diminished math or science skills. The ordinary Pakistani person’s ability to reason out problems of daily life has also diminished. There is an increased national susceptibility to conspiracy theories, decreased ability to tell friend from foe, and more frequent resort to violence rather than argumentation. The quality of Pakistan’s television channels reflects today’s quality of thought.

For too long education reform advocates have been barking up the wrong tree. A bigger education budget, better pay for teachers, more schools and universities, or changing instructional languages will not improve learning outcomes. As long as teachers and students remain shackled to the madressah mindset, they will remain mentally stunted. The real challenge lies in figuring out how to set their minds free.

The writer teaches physics and mathematics in Lahore and Islamabad.

More lethal than RAW - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
salaam jana ji adaab:angel:

so what do youfeel about this article :azn:
 
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The education needs more attention simple as that. He is right about how students try to cram even mathematics here which is mostly aimed at getting marks and clear the grade

But Maths is evil you on w
 
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Best line- Limited to religious learning, such learning attitudes are perfectly fine. But their absorption into secular parts of the education system is disastrous. The hafiz-i-science or hafiz-i-math, which are copiously produced, carry exactly zero worth.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
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:what: if you had only noticed it is "Seniors Cafe" so better you need not to waste your energy here

Forgive me allow me to typse something repeated to the topic
On topic
the author has rightly raised the issue of the sorry state of the Pakistani education & this problem will solved only when the Govt along with the civil society takes a strong initiative
 
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Best line- Limited to religious learning, such learning attitudes are perfectly fine. But their absorption into secular parts of the education system is disastrous. The hafiz-i-science or hafiz-i-math, which are copiously produced, carry exactly zero worth.

:lol::lol::lol:

cramming in subcontinent is not limited religious learning :)

Forgive me allow me to typse something repeated to the topic
On topic
the author has rightly raised the issue of the sorry state of the Pakistani education & this problem will solved only when the Govt along with the civil society takes a strong initiative

Indeed. the formula is for all problems not just for education
 
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But RAW’s alleged antics are pinpricks compared to the massive and irreversible brain damage that Pakistan’s schools, colleges, and universities inflict upon their students.

The ordinary Pakistani person’s ability to reason out problems of daily life has also diminished. There is an increased national susceptibility to conspiracy theories, decreased ability to tell friend from foe, and more frequent resort to violence rather than argumentation.
Hmmm.... @Spring Onion, what do ya say to this? True or false? :rolleyes1:
 
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The author's notion that the 'Madressah' mindset of adhering to a certain style of learning is solely responsible for the poor performance in scientific studies is not completely correct. The education model in Pakistan, just similar to India are divided into three general category, the private, the public and the Madrasa ones. If Madrasa model is responsible for the deplorable state in areas that demands logical reasoning, there is no explanation why students and teachers from the other two categories (public and private) will also fail.

On the other hand, in India the State controlled Madrasahs perform equally well compared to other institutions; however they maintain a much desired balance between Islamic and scientific studies which never comes into each others way. So, the author's assertion that its the religious way of studying that should be held responsible seems unacceptable to me.

I my opinion, study of mathematics is a culture, that simply needs to be cultivated by the parents and the society themselves. You do not need to be an Einstein to understand how all three angles of a triangle sums up to 180 degree but to buy a decent book on elementary geometry (I hope that is affluently available in Pakistan) and to train your kids by yourselves. Within a generation, the picture might seem completely opposite.
 
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The real culprit are those countless "schools" and "colleges" that we find in every alley. They follow no standard of teaching, no defined syllabus and are not even recognized by the Education Board.
These so-called institutions are responsible for creating thousands of educated jaahils.
 
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The education needs more attention simple as that. He is right about how students try to cram even mathematics here which is mostly aimed at getting marks and clear the grade
what about sience and history ....somewhere i heared (ahyes from hussain haqqani ) that there are PHDs done in pakistan where one PHD holder did research and published papers about how to use Djinns powers to rectify power shortage in pakistan isthat right ?
 
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The author's notion that the 'Madressah' mindset of adhering to a certain style of learning is solely responsible for the poor performance in scientific studies is not completely correct. The education model in Pakistan, just similar to India are divided into three general category, the private, the public and the Madrasa ones. If Madrasa model is responsible for the deplorable state in areas that demands logical reasoning, there is no explanation why students and teachers from the other two categories (public and private) will also fail.

On the other hand, in India the State controlled Madrasahs perform equally well compared to other institutions; however they maintain a much desired balance between Islamic and scientific studies which never comes into each others way. So, the author's assertion that its the religious way of studying that should be held responsible seems unacceptable to me.

I my opinion, study of mathematics is a culture, that simply needs to be cultivated by the parents and the society themselves. You do not need to be an Einstein to understand how all three angles of a triangle sums up to 180 degree but to buy a decent book on elementary geometry (I hope that is affluently available in Pakistan) and to train your kids by yourselves. Within a generation, the picture might seem completely opposite.

:) Hoodbhoy and NFP have this bad habit of adding their personal biases against anything Muslim and army otherwise if you remove this cliche viz a viz Madrassa and India and generals from his write up then it was a serious point of view and on target.

madrassas have nothing to do with bad performance of students in maths/physics as large number of them study in normal schools even in elite ones. there is no checks and balances on quality related services provided by these private schools while the government run schools have mostly politically based appointments.

here in Pakistan it is said that "jo kuch nahi ban saka wo teacher ban gaya". how do you expect any quality ?

what about sience and history ....somewhere i heared (ahyes from hussain haqqani ) that there are PHDs done in pakistan where one PHD holder did research and published papers about how to use Djinns powers to rectify power shortage in pakistan isthat right ?


Hussain Haqqani :P NVM
 
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The education model in Pakistan, just similar to India are divided into three general category, the private, the public and the Madrasa ones.
Umm, no. The education systems have diverged significantly over the years. Many Madrassahs here in India are Madrassah only in name where theology is just a scoring subject (because the same questions come every year). True story. Even then the students find it much harder to find jobs because niche jobs like that are rare.
 
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The author is spot on, Pakistanis love to live in denial and false sense of superiority, anything that contradicts this is seen as conspiracy theory.
 
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