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Money can’t buy you love

One thing that the United States should have learnt several times over by now about its complex relationship with Pakistan is that the Beatles were right: money really can’t buy you love. In the coming months, the U.S. Congress is expected to adopt the Kerry-Lugar Bill authorising the Obama Administration to triple non-military aid to Pakistan, translating into $1.5 billion annually, or a total of $ 7.5 billion over five years. Separately, military aid is also set to increase from the current annual $400 million.

Both Pakistan and the U.S. have held this up as a reflection of the new will in Washington to build a long-term partnership with Pakistan and strengthen democracy through development, rather than view bilateral ties through the narrow prism of the Afghan war and related security issues.

But the promise of more money has not helped win Pakistani hearts and minds, seen as crucial for the success of U.S. efforts in neighbouring Afghanistan. If anything, America’s image in Pakistan is worse off today than before.

The raging controversy over the expansion of the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad is an example. Reports in the Pakistani media project the new under-construction premises as a high-tech spooks-and-soldiers centre for undercover agents and hundreds — by some accounts thousands — of Marines, that will give the U.S. a bigger “strategic footprint” in Pakistan. The $1 billion building is coming up on 18 acres in the highly-guarded Diplomatic Enclave.
Negative publicity

The negative publicity forced the U.S. Embassy to hold two rounds of rare on-record briefings for local journalists to justify the expansion, one by Ambassador Anne Patterson. The envoy was at pains to stress that the number of Marines would be fewer than 20, strictly for guard duties at the Embassy. She also explained a planned staff increase as required to administer the larger amounts of financial aid to Pakistan.

While the envoy did not succeed in drawing a line under the controversy, near-daily incidents involving Americans are fuelling more Pakistani suspicions and animosity towards the U.S.

These days, despite U.S. and Pakistan government denials, it is all about Blackwater. Rumours are rife that the controversial U.S. security company to which the CIA has reportedly outsourced some of its anti-terror operations in Afghanistan has deployed countless personnel in Pakistan.

A recent encounter between the police and four American citizens travelling in two cars with weapons and their local aides has fuelled the suspicion. The Americans protested at being stopped and questioned but were hauled off to a police station anyway, where a Pakistani army officer had to be dispatched for their release. The popular verdict: “Blackwater.”

Residents of posh sectors in Islamabad and Peshawar are suddenly complaining of too many “foreigners” in their neighbourhood. A television channel showed close-up clips of houses in Islamabad where, it said, “FBI and CIA agents” were staying, forcing the American residents in those houses to pack up and move out within hours for fear of being attacked.
Pew survey findings

A Pew Global Attitudes survey in Pakistan this June found an overwhelming 64 per cent of respondents see the U.S as an enemy. At U.S. President Barack Obama’s 2008 election, his Muslim middle name Hussein caused much excitement in Pakistan, but the survey showed only 13 per cent had confidence in him, the lowest in the world.

Concerned the continuing negative image could undermine the new Afpak strategy even before it has got off the ground, the U.S. has been desperate to clear the “misconceptions” about its role in the region. So far it has been a losing battle.

When Richard Holbrooke visited Pakistan in June with a promise of additional U.S. financial assistance for people displaced by the fighting in Swat, , the Afpak Special Envoy urged Pakistani media to tell “the truth” about how much the U.S. was doing in Pakistan as its single largest donor.

Sadly for him, media attention was taken up by the perceived protocol breach committed by President Zardari in holding a joint press conference with a mere special envoy.

Diplomatic observers are often struck by the contrast between this and the deference with which Pakistanis view Saudi involvement in their domestic issues. Pakistanis believe the U.S. must only blame itself. Interestingly, a lot of the anti-Americanism is linked to the blossoming of U.S.-India ties.

Pakistanis see the U.S. as having forced the present Afghan war on them, and this as the reason for their country’s problems. The planned U.S. troop surge in Afghanistan has no support. The growing U.S.-India friendship, including their cooperation in Afghanistan, has set off fears that the two are plotting together to break up Pakistan and seize its nuclear weapons. The U.S. is blamed for not working on India for a settlement on Kashmir. In the Pew survey, 54 per cent respondents saw the U.S. as generally siding with India.

Pakistanis hate the U.S. for the drone strikes in the tribal areas for the alleged killings hundreds of innocents. They also see the drones as a violation of Pakistani sovereignty.

Pakistani grievances include U.S. support to military rulers, and the manner in which it abandoned their country after the anti-Soviet Afghan war. The unresolved Palestine issue and Iraq are seen as evidence of America’s “anti-Muslim” mindset.

Pakistanis see the U.S. as duplicitous, on the one hand making soothing sounds about its importance as an ally, and on the other leaking to the American press “anti-Pakistan stories” whether it is about concerns for the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, or the recent accusations that Pakistan retrofitted the Harpoon missile. Some have seen a link between the Harpoon controversy and the possible delays in the adoption of the Kerry-Lugar Bill.
Lack of consensus

Tariq Fatemi, a former diplomat and foreign policy adviser to opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, lays at least part of the blame for the current wave of anti-Americanism on the government’s inability to create a national consensus for cooperation with the U.S.

“If the anti-Americanism continues to grow, and there is no effort by the government to explain to parliament, to opposition parties why this relationship is important and what benefits it holds for Pakistan, you will see a reduction in the public support for the kind of operations that the army is presently engaged in,” Mr. Fatemi said.

For instance, he said, unless the government won national support for an operation in South Waziristan, which the U.S. wants the Pakistan Army to carry out, Pakistanis were likely to oppose it as something being done at the behest of a foreign power.

The U.S. too believes the government should be more pro-active in defending the relationship, but the PPP-led set-up, with a weak leadership already seen as far too pro-American, clearly does not want to risk it.

Diplomatic observers suspect some of the recent bad press was orchestrated by sections within the Pakistani ruling set-up in response to American pressure on the Pakistan Army to begin the South Waziristan operations. The Americans are apparently keen that the operation must begin before the adoption of the Kerry-Lugar Bill.

Virtually helpless to stop the tide of negative opinion in Pakistan, the U.S. Ambassador has now reportedly taken to personally calling media house bosses to complain about the coverage.

But the paradox, or the good news for Washington, is that Pakistanis also long for better relations with the U.S. The Pew survey found that a majority of 53 per cent respondents felt it was important for relations between the two countries to improve.

On blogs and on the streets, Pakistanis think this can happen only if the U.S. packed up and left Afghanistan, named and shamed India for its alleged meddling in Balochistan and weighed in on the side of Pakistan on the issue of Kashmir.

A simpler prescription

Shafqat Mahmood, a political commentator, has a simpler prescription. According to him, there is a significant section of Pakistanis who have a positive view of the American role, but these are the English-speaking elite beneficiaries of the educational, official, military and business ties with the U.S. He suggested it was time U.S. spread its money further so the “masses” could see some benefit for themselves in this relationship.

“People still want to know what happened to the $11 billion that was given by the U.S. to the Musharraf regime,” he said. His advice to the Americans: build free hospitals across Pakistan or construct a mass transit system in Lahore or Karachi, and see the American image improve.

Or, as Mr. Fatemi said, give Pakistani goods access to the U.S. market, which would be appreciated more than hand-outs as it would bring direct benefits to local industry and employment.

Meanwhile, President Asif Ali Zardari is off on an official visit to the U.S. later this month. Aside from the U.N. General Assembly, he will attend the summit meeting of Friends of Democratic Pakistan, a grouping of donor countries put together by the Obama Administration. The U.S. Congress too will reconvene at the same time after a recess and is expected to take up the Kerry-Lugar Bill. But there is no sign yet of an operation in South Waziristan. President Zardari’s visit will be judged at home for how well he presents Pakistan’s case and concerns, a new test of his legitimacy and credibility, as it will for America’s “intentions” and image in Pakistan.

The Hindu : Opinion / News Analysis : Money can’t buy you love


Quite an interesting read.. I am not sure about the perception factor of Pakistani's though. But US seems to be pouring a hell a lot of money and the author's insight into Pakistani minds seem to reflect some truth.. Atleast it syncs the mindset of people dwelling in forums like this one. Constructive debates welcome. Now I dont want someone telling that the link is from the Hindu and so its trash. This is one of the most neutral stuff you can ever get in this world.
 
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The money promised by US as always was never spent on the things which could have improve the social sector so the obviously you do not see any change.

And this time too the much talked about so-called aid is being spent on the US embassy staff and their security not on improving the level of social sector in Pakistan.


US and other donors in the past too have been spending money through different NGOs sans any solid and effective monitoring so the money or its benefit never reached at grassroots level.

there is one forumula for distrbution of these funds of aid through NGOs and that is

1. The donors keep 40% as headover money.

2. About 40% is taken over by the head of the NGOs.
3. hardly 10 % is spent on salaries of local staff of these NGOs.

4. The remaining 10 % is spent on arranging seminars and advocay workshops and some development work.


Now you tell me what is the purpose of this aid and who are the beneficiaries.
 
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Tariq Fatemi, a former diplomat and foreign policy adviser to opposition leader Nawaz Sharif, lays at least part of the blame for the current wave of anti-Americanism on the government’s inability to create a national consensus for cooperation with the U.S.

“If the anti-Americanism continues to grow, and there is no effort by the government to explain to parliament, to opposition parties why this relationship is important and what benefits it holds for Pakistan, you will see a reduction in the public support for the kind of operations that the army is presently engaged in,” Mr. Fatemi said.

I found this part funny. The opposition adviser telling the government to defend the US involvement.

If that's not the kiss of death for a Pakistani politician, I don't know what is. :rofl:
 
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I found this part funny. The opposition adviser telling the government to defend the US involvement.

If that's not the kiss of death for a Pakistani politician, I don't know what is. :rofl:

Politicians sometimes do speak sense.. even if its political suicide.. Rare. But it happens I guess. Like Jaswant singh I guess. :)
 
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this is an interesting article. the author is right about US can not buy the hearts of pakistni people by flowing money into pakistam but on the other hand, there is a history for this hatered against US. the reasons are:

1.US backing away whenever pakistan needed it
2.US sanctions (many times)
3.Israel issue and killing of innocent palestinians (relgious factor, definitely have effect)
4.invasion of iraq (again religious factor)
5.afganistan attack (religious factor)
6.reccent US support to india (people do not like it since india is our neighbour with whom we have fought wars, no offence)
7.drone attacks inside pakistan
8. stoppage of F16 delivery in the past etc, etc, etc....

as you can see here these reasons are from geographical, social, economical and religious. the writer has mentioned the interview of a journalist that if US open free hospital they will get support, i seriously doubt that. i am not syaing his presumptions are wrong but i am saying it will take a lot longer time, it is not that simple as it looks. may be in some backward areas with high percentage of illeteracy, people do not (may be) go to these hospitals since US has made them and prefr to go to the quacks (false doctors).

but i think if US will open their markets (especially defence related)and agree to sell some good equipment to Pakistan it will have faster and better effect than opening hospitals. anyhow, this is my opinion and can be wrong.

about US winning hearts of pakistanis, US has to be consistent with focus on the public support & development and has to be patient to see the effects.

regards

sincerely
 
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Wait, the US money goes in to few hands at the top (and their chicks) and they love US a lot but when 99% of Pakistani get nothing from the aid , so why should they love them
 
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Wait, the US money goes in to few hands at the top (and their chicks) and they love US a lot but when 99% of Pakistani get nothing from the aid , so why should they love them

Are you saying.. tat americans directly putting this money to the anti insurgents..??

You should ask your government an army the question.???Why is this aid not benefiting the ordinary Pakistanis..?? or is it that.. these aids are still not enough to fight the extremist elements..???
 
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Are you saying.. tat americans directly putting this money to the anti insurgents..??

You should ask your government an army the question.???Why is this aid not benefiting the ordinary Pakistanis..?? or is it that.. these aids are still not enough to fight the extremist elements..???

I love when Indians play with the words.

"Money can’t buy you love" if no money for 99% of ordinary Pakistanis working hard to pay bills and feed their families, hit hard from 20% inflation and no electricity then where the love part will comes form.

If the US money will make life easy for 99% of Pakistani they will love USA "take my words for it" example: after earthquake help from US, for the very first time US had a good poll numbers in Pakistan :coffee:
 
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I love when Indians play with the words.

"Money can’t buy you love" if no money for 99% of ordinary Pakistanis working hard to pay bills and feed their families, hit hard from 20% inflation and no electricity then where the love part will comes form.

If the US money will make life easy for 99% of Pakistani they will love USA "take my words for it" example: after earthquake help from US, for the very first time US had a good poll numbers in Pakistan :coffee:

Well i think, the US is aiding the determination of Pakistani army to root out the militants..!! and not directly aiding the Pakistani economy..!!! Any effort Pakistan takes to root out this elements comes at an extra cost and that is what US is financing..!!! However blind US hate doest do good..!! US got rid of baithulah mehsud and every ordinary pakistani should appreciate that..!! I think if media gave more important to such triumphs which was resulted coz of the help of US i think there would have been less of anit american hate in Pakistan.. by they way i would like to know whether this poll was conducted before or after mehsuds death..!!!

So question here comes... is the oridinary pakistanis willing to fight off the evil of extrimism or what?? For that if they want to get the help of US why not???? So i think question is not whehter money is not reaching people.. but whther ordinary pakistanis want to be free of this mess called extrimism.
 
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Well i think, the US is aiding the deterimination of pakistani army to root out the militants..!! and not directly aiding the pakistani economy..!!! Any effort pakistan takes to root out this elements comes at an extra cost and that is what US is financing..!!! However blind US hate doest do good..!! US got rid of baithulah mehsud and every ordinary pakistani should appreciate that..!! I think if media gave more important to such triumphs which was resulted coz of the help of US i think there would have been less of anit american hate in Pakistan.. by they way i would like to know whether this poll was conducted before or after mehsuds death..!!!

This time1.5 billion is non military aid and it will come through NGOs

Pakistan will receive about $4 billion in the next 18 months that also includes $1.5 billion under the Kerry-Lugar Bill, $1 billion in military and other economic assistance :coffee:
 
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This time1.5 billion is non military aid and it will come through NGOs

Pakistan will receive about $4 billion in the next 18 months that also includes $1.5 billion under the Kerry-Lugar Bill, $1 billion in military and other economic assistance :coffee:

Then the obvoius question comes up.. you shouldn't be hating US right??? I read in the article the reasons.. but do you agree with that????
 
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US will never get the love it once had...During Soviet Afghan war the people were so pro America that it was just amazing but after that there was 180 degree turn and now America arguably is more hated then India ever was hated in Pakistan.In Fact, Normal Pakistani does not care about india as it is not interfering in our national matters like US.The less does meddle the better for them.
 
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Then the obvoius question comes up.. you shouldn't be hating US right??? I read in the article the reasons.. but do you agree with that????

Yes but you know do you think the money will go to the needy to buy their love for USA??? no it will go to Swiss banks and the account holder will love US a lot.:smitten:

Ya poor Pakistani shouldn't hate USA they want to help them as the aid tells that :coffee:
 
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I strongly condemn all AID from USA.

The reason being they only give you AID so that they can make Pakistan a slave ( which it already is ) , check out the IMF conditions and you'll know

Do you honestly think they are giving AID to Pakistan because they care about us , these snakes are finding an opportunity to give AID to Pakistan.

How possibly could you except AID from a country who funds groups against you.

All these AIDS and Loans , do you honestly think our country goes forward receiving them ?? I say Pakistan goes 10 steps backward.
 
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Then the obvoius question comes up.. you shouldn't be hating US right??? I read in the article the reasons.. but do you agree with that????

There was talk in another thread about how much the US presence in Afghanistan has hurt Pakistan's economy. The US aid doesn't even begin to come close in terms of repairing that damage.
 
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