Modi’s party set to win Uttar Pradesh

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

It's like the FIraun vacating the throne to his high priest....

 

[Paitoo]

In Maslow's hierarchy, UP is the perennial bottom feeder, always content with its most basic need being satisfied - the primitive survival instinct which requires subjugation of what you see as competitors.

Yogi delivers this by telling the Hindus that they are now emancipated from the clutches of the so called Muslim - Yadav mafia, itself a strange hyphenation, because Yadavs are staunch Hindus, traditionally (and stereotypically) in the dairy business and vehemently opposed to cow slaughter.

Yogi has reaped the benefits by preying on the collective psyche of majority, seen so often in Indian politics - that the majority, despite its numbers is bullied by the minority. For a very long time Hindu right wing politicians have mocked their own constituencies by telling them that they are cowards and pacifists. I have been hearing this since I remember. What has changed is that we now have a government at the centre which is sympathetic to these tactics of challenging the manhood of the majority.

UP's root problem is strongman culture. There are Brahmin dons, Yadav dons, Thakur dons and Muslim dons. Yogi is trying to eliminate Muslim dons because he thinks the Muslim on the street derives power from their patronage. He does not want to eliminate strongman culture itself. UP's political class is deeply classist, believing that the weak are weak because they are destined to be so and it is the duty of the strong to lord over the weak.

 

[Black Tornado]

Demolition of BSP show near complete consolidation of Dalit voters towards BJP. It's a big misconception that BJP is a party upper castes if it was it would never have achieved the electoral victories they had in last decade. In reality it's the Dalits and other backward castes that keeps BJP in power. This lower caste vote consolidation is what make Modis BJP different from that of Vajpayee's era.

If Yogi would’ve controlled his communal rhetoric then it would’ve been better, still he needs to appoint technocrats for the $1 Trillion GDP by 2030 ambitious goal. Else most people have positive perception for Yogi.

 

[newb3e]

It is impertinent to call his murderous vigilante actions 'improvements in law and order'.

for majority Indian this is the development they wanted!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Despite what you (intend / want) to believe, muslim leadership in India is not at all forward looking, which is the source of all problems for that community.

What is the relevance of this remark?

He did major improvements (changes) in the last 5 years in terms of law and order and other similar.

We have been through this before, and discussed it threadbare. It is impertinent to call his murderous vigilante actions 'improvements in law and order'.

for majority Indian this is the development they wanted!

Interesting opinion.

 

[jk007]

In Maslow's hierarchy, UP is the perennial bottom feeder, always content with its most basic need being satisfied - the primitive survival instinct which requires subjugation of what you see as competitors.

Yogi delivers this by telling the Hindus that they are now emancipated from the clutches of the so called Muslim - Yadav mafia, itself a strange hyphenation, because Yadavs are staunch Hindus, traditionally (and stereotypically) in the dairy business and vehemently opposed to cow slaughter.

Yogi has reaped the benefits by preying on the collective psyche of majority, seen so often in Indian politics - that the majority, despite its numbers is bullied by the minority. For a very long time Hindu right wing politicians have mocked their own constituencies by telling them that they are cowards and pacifists. I have been hearing this since I remember. What has changed is that we now have a government at the centre which is sympathetic to these tactics of challenging the manhood of the majority.

UP's root problem is strongman culture. There are Brahmin dons, Yadav dons, Thakur dons and Muslim dons. Yogi is trying to eliminate Muslim dons because he thinks the Muslim on the street derives power from their patronage. He does not want to eliminate strongman culture itself. UP's political class is deeply classist, believing that the weak are weak because they are destined to be so and it is the duty of the strong to lord over the weak.

Sir - In India, Muslims have traditionally / always been more violent. Media does not give coverage to incidents of Hindus being killed for forwarding a whatsapp post etc or similar (or) hindu killed for falling in love with Muslim girl. There are many pics of Muslims mistreating temples and other hindu religious / cultural entities. One such pic of vice versa will lead to huge riots.

Aren't Hindus more pacific in general? Haven't Hindus suffered for centuries?

Assuming you are middle or less than middle aged, hindus will become minority in India in your lifetime. After that you can see how they will live.

Never cease to be amazed by the number of "blind" intellectuals (who can neither see nor hear) that India continuously produces in such high numbers (in a way, this is the root cause of all problems for Hindus). Actually, problem with Hinduism is it produces so many liberals, who are pretty much blind by choice.

If you live in India, I am pretty sure you live safely ensconced in a gated community (with lot of security) surrounded by Hindus?

If you say you live in a community where Muslims are a majority or Please say that (atleast) you plan to move to a community where Muslims are a majority. Then, I will give it to you.

PS: Not pointed questions to you. Please feel free to ignore.

PS: not trolling. But irritated that Indians come here and give wrong picture to Pakistanis, who are already blinded about India (read Hindus), from their own school curriculum / general media.

Not trolling.

MODS- sorry, this post is more blunt. My intention is not to troll.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Else most people have positive perception for Yogi.

In India, Muslims have traditionally / always been more violent. Media does not give coverage to incidents of Hindus being killed for forwarding a whatsapp post etc or similar (or) hindu killed for falling in love with Muslim girl. There are many pics of Muslims mistreating temples and other hindu religious / cultural entities. One such pic of vice versa will lead to huge riots.

This is an opinion. Do you have a single scrap of evidence to bear out this assertion? While you will deny all knowledge of sources outside newspaper articles and TV interviews or talk shows, please be aware that there are reports of formal judicial enquiries into communal riots and the like, including the seminal report on the treatment of Muslims in Hyderabad after the police action.

It is very difficult to stay calm in the face of this concentrated barrage of toxic opinion disguised as fact from a few persistent members.

Aren't Hindus more pacific in general? Haven't Hindus suffered for centuries?

How do you generalise? Based on what is this remark founded?

 

[CIA Mole]

Everyone knew BJP would win UP

Why create a thread for it?

because what we fear most is a competent indian leader winning

 

[newb3e]

Interesting opinion.

ser they voting for it!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Assuming you are middle or less than middle aged, hindus will become minority in India in your lifetime. After that you can see how they will live.

Presumably you work as a porter or a coolie in some western city. Those are perfectly respectable occupations, but do not equip you with the mathematical and statistical rudimentary sense that would prevent this mind-boggling stuff being uttered. If you had an education, even if not a STEM education, you might have had some familiarity with the concepts of reproduction rate, of absolute growth in numbers, and of growth in terms of growth rate. Every metric shows that the absolute number of Muslims has risen, just as the absolute number of Hindus has risen; that the percentage of Muslims, after recovering from the devastation caused by partition has levelled off, and is not increasing at all; and that the growth rate of Muslims has actually decreased.

If you cannot prevent yourself from writing rubbish based on prejudiced opinion, please stay away. It is embarrassing to have an Indian member display such grotesque deficiency of knowledge.

Never cease to be amazed by the number of "blind" intellectuals (who can neither see nor hear) that India continuously produces in such high numbers (in a way, this is the root cause of all problems for Hindus). Actually, problem with Hinduism is it produces so many liberals, who are pretty much blind by choice.

Not enough liberals, whether Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, or green-striped Martians. If there were, there would be enough people to stem the rubbish spewed by the bigots. Bigots like you.

If you live in India, I am pretty sure you live safely ensconced in a gated community (with lot of security) surrounded by Hindus?

Where would you rather I live? 50% of the vendors around my building complex, that has a sprinkling of Muslims, are Muslim; I live down the road from Turkapalli, and opposite Risalla Bazaar and Paltan Bazaar, and on the other side is the Mastan Baba Dargah. When I get into a bus, if there is a shortage of seats, there will always be a burkha-clad mother (I hate the burkha, but if the woman feels comfortable wearing it, what value does my opinion have?) ordering her children to give up their seats to me.

What is the point that you are trying to make?

But irritated that Indians come here and give wrong picture to Pakistanis, who are already blinded about India (read Hindus), from their own school curriculum / general media.

Do you realise that a liberal Indian might say the same about your posts, with greater justification?

 

[Joe Shearer]

because what we fear most is a competent indian leader winning

Why do you fear that?

I have been on this forum for some years now, and I have to think very hard to remember a more embarrassingly irresponsible statement.

'irresponsible' was not the word I had in mind. I am trying hard to keep from losing my temper, with fools who wrap themselves in the tricolour, and other fools who wrap themselves in green.

ser they voting for it!

I DON'T want to drag you kicking and screaming through the statistics once more.

 

[Cheepek]

that the percentage of Muslims, after recovering from the devastation caused by partition has levelled off, and is not increasing at all; and that the growth rate of Muslims has actually decreased.

Failed in STEM?

 

[Paitoo]

Sir - In India, Muslims have traditionally / always been more violent. Media does not give coverage to incidents of Hindus being killed for forwarding a whatsapp post etc or similar (or) hindu killed for falling in love with Muslim girl. There are many pics of Muslims mistreating temples and other hindu religious / cultural entities. One such pic of vice versa will lead to huge riots.

Aren't Hindus more pacific in general? Haven't Hindus suffered for centuries?

Assuming you are middle or less than middle aged, hindus will become minority in India in your lifetime. After that you can see how they will live.

Never cease to be amazed by the number of "blind" intellectuals (who can neither see nor hear) that India continuously produces in such high numbers (in a way, this is the root cause of all problems for Hindus). Actually, problem with Hinduism is it produces so many liberals, who are pretty much blind by choice.

If you live in India, I am pretty sure you live safely ensconced in a gated community (with lot of security) surrounded by Hindus?

If you say you live in a community where Muslims are a majority or Please say that (atleast) you plan to move to a community where Muslims are a majority. Then, I will give it to you.

PS: Not pointed questions to you. Please feel free to ignore.

PS: not trolling. But irritated that Indians come here and give wrong picture to Pakistanis, who are already blinded about India (read Hindus), from their own school curriculum / general media.

Not trolling.

MODS- sorry, this post is more blunt. My intention is not to troll.

I know you are not trolling and you are entitled to your opinion as long as you are doing it decently.

Who cares about what picture the Pakistanis get? The reality of our country is ours to live, good or bad. It is important that all Indians see that reality. When we have deep communal divide within our country, it is going to hurt us, not Pakistanis.

A typical Indian neighbourhood is already segregated along religious lines. It is very few Hindus who live in Muslim dominated neighbourhoods. In fact none that I know of, even though some may have businesses in adjoining areas. So when you say that these Hindus are suffering at the hands of Muslims and if one were to agree, you are talking about a minuscule portion of people. Hindus already do not live and do not aspire to relocate to Muslim areas. It is Muslims for whom upward mobility generally means relocating to more affluent, mixed areas.

Are you saying that Yogi's target audience is only these Hindus? Wrong. He targets all Hindus, in a sort of carpet bombing, hoping it will stick to at least a few. Affluent, upper caste Hindus safely living in their upscale areas also vote for Yogi. They have not been living like second class citizens all these years before Yogi.

You are totally wrong on media not reporting cases of Hindus being killed. They are there, google it and most major news outlets will have an article on such cases.

I don't know what temple desecration you are talking about. Mischief makers exist everywhere. At one time there were increasing cases of shoe garlands being put on Ambedkar statues. Dalits said it was done by upper castes, upper castes said it was done by Dalits to malign them. No community in India desecrates another's religious place. It is a no go area even in the worst communal riots.

One can choose what to believe, but it is always a good idea to take your information from multiple sources and make up your mind. Truth is a casualty in today's social media time. News is getting exposed as fake, fake is being re-exposed as truth, it is endless.

We have to decide whether we want communal rhetoric to continue, cause fissures and given an opportunity to our enemies to exploit it. It is not about being pacifist or weak. It is about standing up for truth, whether it exposes Hindus or Muslims.

 

[Protest_again]

India is for Hindus primarily. Liberals can F off.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Failed in STEM?

View attachment 822193

Clearly failed in STEM.

These are the correct figures

Year
Pop.
±%

1961
46,900,000
+32.5%

1971
61,400,000
+30.9%

1981
80,300,000
+30.8%

1991
106,700,000
+32.9%

2001
138,200,000
+29.5%

2011
172,200,000
+24.6%

Muslims in India have a much higher total fertility rate (TFR) compared to that of other religious communities in the country.[105] Because of higher birthrates the percentage of Muslims in India has risen from about 9.8% in 1951 to 14.2% by 2011.[106] However, since 1991, the largest decline in fertility rates among all religious groups in India has occurred among Muslims.[107] The Sachar Committee Report shows that the Muslim Population Growth has slowed down and will be on par with national averages.[108] The Sachar Committee Report estimated that the Muslim proportion will stabilise at between 17% and 21% of the Indian population by 2100.[109]

For those interested, this is a good place to start:

SY Quraishi, author, The Population Myth: Islam, Family Planning and Politics in India​

India is for Hindus primarily. Liberals can F off.

I hope they are allowed to take those idiots who cannot read the constitution properly with them.