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Modi victory a wakeup call for Pakistan

He is the PM now. Which means that he will decide the cabinet of ministers. His name essentially means government of India right now.

Just because you are not used to listening a PM's name all these years in the last decade, doesn't mean that it never existed. We used GOI out of shame for the loser that left us just now from the PMO and his Italian owner.

But things have changed and we finally have a leading figure.

so discuss it on your own forums! That was my whole point! This isnt a forum to discuss indian politics.

but if you feel SO inclined to and have fewer things to do during the day (such as a job) - why not keep it all nicely organized in one single thread.

Its a good article and it harks back to the same thing.

The real threat to Pakistan from Modi Govt is how India will start to grow economically and end its economic stagnation. How it will outdistance Pakistan.

india is a much larger country - an overpopulated one at that. Naturally the economy will always be out-distanced! It's really a no brainer.

But that isn't to say the Pakistani economy isn't growing (albeit it's not growing to its full potential) - nor is it to say that the Pakistani state would accept indian "hegemony" - that simply wont happen regardless of who calls the shots in delhi.

and india's growth - like Pakistan's - isn't evenly spread out. You still have areas of india which look worse than Sierra Leone. Focus on your internal growth and on socio-economic development; as should we. Dont focus on "out-distancing" or even isolating Pakistan because that simply will never happen.
 
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It seems having lack of intelligence is a defining hallmark of some Pakistani's.

When I say outdistance, it automatically means a 'ratio'. That means the overall size of the Indian economy will become larger than the size of the Pakistani economy by a bigger margin.
This also means by extension that the per capita income gap between an Indian and Pakistani will become more than what it is now.

This is not a no brainer. Till 2003, Pakistan had a larger per capita income than India. As another article points out -
The real threat from NaMo – The Express Tribune

Secondly, it is always economics that dictate world behaviour and actions. Do you remember the time India and Pakistan were treated equally by world powers? I am sure you do.

Do you think the same holds true today? No. The sole reason is economy. It is the bedrock on which military, influence, world politics are built.

And all this is why, an economically blazing India is the biggest threat to Pakistan, not Narendra Modi or Manmohan or anyone else.
india is a much larger country - an overpopulated one at that. Naturally the economy will always be out-distanced! It's really a no brainer.

But that isn't to say the Pakistani economy isn't growing (albeit it's not growing to its full potential) - nor is it to say that the Pakistani state would accept indian "hegemony" - that simply wont happen regardless of who calls the shots in delhi.

and india's growth - like Pakistan's - isn't evenly spread out. You still have areas of india which look worse than Sierra Leone. Focus on your internal growth and on socio-economic development; as should we. Dont focus on "out-distancing" or even isolating Pakistan because that simply will never happen.

Lastly, Indians didnt vote for Modi because he promised to oudistance India's economy from Pakistan. He was voted because he promised to raise India's economy and bring a manufacturing revolution.

The side result of that for Pakistan - however would be what the article I linked says.
 
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Pakistan need its own AAP or BJP to teach new ways of improving

What difference did AAP make in India? Nishta!

We need to stop voting old faces again and again, though i am sure PMLN government will be better than PPP. PPP dropped the bar so low that even if we compared them with a fruit seller on the street, the fruit seller will come out on top by a large margin.
 
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Modi victory a wakeup call for Pakistan


Ayaz Amir Tuesday, May 20, 2014




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Islamabad diary

For the first thing this victory will do is to draw an unfortunate contrast between India and Pakistan. We may not like Narendra Modi the instigator or abettor of the anti-Muslim riots in Godhra. But it is hard to deny that coming from where he does he will make a strong prime minister. His campaign was sharply focused and as prime minister, as all the signs suggest, he is likely to be clear about his goals and where he wants to take his country. He will be master in his own house.

Compare this with conditions in Pakistan. Nawaz Sharif fancies himself a strongman but as the nation has had plenty of opportunity to observe, he is anything but that: confusion and lack of aim the hallmarks of his stewardship – qualities springing to the fore in the last one month in his dealings with the army and his government’s handling of the aftermath of the Geo affair.

In just the first year of his term he presides over not a united but a divided polity – government and army at daggers drawn, the media engaged in a civil war threatening to overwhelm the freedoms won not through any fictitious struggle but bestowed as a gift by a military dictator. It is the forgetting of these basic truths by the media that is largely responsible for its present plight.

Modi is a self-made man, rising through the ranks of the RSS and the BJP to his present position. He is a friend of Indian capitalism but not a capitalist himself. Nawaz Sharif is a product of military patronage and one of the richest leaders in the world, his private fortune running into the uncounted billions.

Modi’s family is not into private business, factories here and abroad or real estate in London and elsewhere. Our ruling family – and it is now a ruling family – is into all these things. The mettle, the mould, the style of the two leaderships is thus different, and the disadvantage lies clearly on the Pakistani side.

Not that Pakistan looms large on the Indian mind or the Indian canvas. Those times have long gone. And Modi’s agenda will be about development and India’s rise as a great power and its place at the world’s high table. India cannot wish Pakistan away, geography not giving it that luxury. But the gap between our two countries has grown and we have seen to it that we lag far behind. And our missiles and bombs make not much of a difference to this larger equation.

So these are bad times for Pakistan, and this contrast between our two countries is likely to grow as a strong, no-nonsense leadership settles down to its task in Delhi and we are led by our Egyptian mummies in Islamabad.

There is another danger a Modi sarkar is likely to pose. It may well intensify our civil-military rivalry. The army, rightly or wrongly, is already distrustful of the Nawaz Sharif government and will look extra carefully at any move it makes towards India.

Because of its mishandling of the Musharraf trial and its mummified responses to the ISI and Geo affairs the government has already been pushed into a corner, the army going through the motions of form and courtesy but that being about the limits of its indulgence. When it comes to India the government’s freedom of action will be further curtailed. The great Indian opening that was so close to this government’s heart will thus be put on hold. And into the ghetto or bunker we have dug for ourselves we will sink deeper.

Unless, that is, we do something about this state our affairs: some compass-reading and some course correction. This is a government with a mandate, as legitimately elected as the Modi government next door. But the Congress government of Manmohan Singh was also elected. Look what a mess it made of things, for which it has been duly punished…proving once more that sans delivery merely being elected is seldom enough.

Manmohan Singh completed the cycle of his misfortune in ten years, Asif Zardari in five years. Nawaz Sharif has telescoped that performance into just a year. India under lacklustre leadership was a tolerable neighbour, something we could afford. Under a dynamic Modi leadership – let not our prejudices colour our judgement on this score – the light cast on us will not be flattering. And our discomfort will grow.

In our discomfort the worst thing will be if we allow any rein to our Hafiz Saeeds and our other Kashmir liberators. We have to put our house in order, reduce the discord affecting our polity and constraining our ability to act in any sphere. But the one thing we can do without is Kashmir adventurism. Let us not resile from our position, as we have done so often in the past. Let China’s Taiwan policy be our guide in this matter, firm and unwavering on the point of principle but avoiding needless posturing and empty rhetoric.

The problem is that to do any of this – putting our house in order, etc – requires, first and foremost, a semblance of leadership, a firm hand on the tiller, far-seeing eyes fixed on the distant horizon. In the shape of our Egyptian mummies we have everything except that. Nawaz Sharif is already a stricken leader, his credibility gone, and his effectiveness as leader lost. Perceptions are hard to replace. Like virginity, once lost they are lost. Just consider this: if he can’t talk to his own army how can he talk to anyone else?

Effectively then, we have a government but a government reduced to varying stages of impotence. And not so much the dogs of war as the dogs of discord have been let loose on it, and it doesn’t know what to do.

All that we are seeing on the national stage began with the government’s thoughtless approach to the Musharraf trial, media mujahids egging on the government and screaming, nay some of them baying, for the fallen dictator’s blood. These media mujahids had first convinced themselves, and then went about convincing everyone else, that with an independent judiciary and a powerful media a new Pakistan had come into being in which the path of military takeovers was blocked forever.

Musharraf’s failure lay in his frontal assault, the direct approach, on the former chief justice. The ISI has learnt its lesson. As in the smartest strategy, its approach in this media affair has been indirect: the approach from the flanks, not so much coming into the field itself as launching its many proxies against its target. And this approach is paying dividends, the media already feeling the squeeze.

But these are small battles and even as we are caught up in them the larger picture is changing, India already under a new leadership and Afghanistan about to get a new one, Narendra Modi on one side, Abdullah Abdullah on the other, such a nutcracker the worst of nightmares of the army general staff.

But this nutcracker will come to nothing if we can master our home-grown and mostly self-created difficulties, if the army wakes up to the new realities and the genie of jihad is put back into the bottles whence it came, and if some vigour-inducing vitamins from God knows where can be injected into our Egyptian mummies. If only we seize the chance India under Narendra Modi could yet goad us into the rediscovery of lost opportunities.

One thing is for sure: the old nostrums, the old rhetoric will just not do. A new Pakistani nationalism, different from everything that has gone before, will have to be invented if we are to meet the new challenges.

Modi victory a wakeup call for Pakistan - Ayaz Amir

I dont trust moqa parast writers, all hails to NS as long as he gave me the ticket, all bads in NS once he has not given me the ticket.
 
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What difference did AAP make in India? Nishta!

We need to stop voting old faces again and again, though i am sure PMLN government will be better than PPP. PPP dropped the bar so low that even if we compared them with a fruit seller on the street, the fruit seller will come out on top by a large margin.
People got some one new to vote other than congress
 
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Lastly, Indians didnt vote for Modi because he promised to oudistance India's economy from Pakistan. He was voted because he promised to raise India's economy and bring a manufacturing revolution.

The side result of that for Pakistan - however would be what the article I linked says.

Pakistan has never been plagued by marxism/socialism, at least not since ZA Bhutto and his disastrous policy of nationalization.

we are a capitalist country since 1947 and therefore welcome competition....competition drives efficiency, forces firms (including export-driven ones) to leverage core competencies

incidentally - Pakistan itself is in need of re-investing in manufacturing...broadly stated. Due to energy supply-demand gaps and due to short-sighted policies this industry has seen decline in the past year alone. Kind of mirrors what happened in the USA where there was a shift from manufacturing to services.

there are many ways to "raise" an economy but you need to get the fundamentals in place.....in Pakistan's case I dont think its an issue of infrastructure the way it is in india. It's a software issue not a hardware one.

in fairness to the PML-N regime, we are seeing macro-econ. stability which was unheard of during the 5 CATASTROPHIC years of the curse Zardari and his cohorts/operatives.

but anyways I wont waste my time explaining all of this (which should be obvious anyways to most) b/c this is not an economy section thread.


now that the election fever is over, please keep all the indian political discussion in ONE thread


@Aeronaut @TaimiKhan @WebMaster -- as chaotic as things get here, kindly ensure that this becomes the new policy so that there are NOT needless distractions away from discussions of PAKISTAN
 
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