Modi sulking over Pakistan internationalizing Kashmir Dispute

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

By looking at the news, I am wondering who is really sulking here @AgNoStiC MuSliM

The same government that keeps issuing statements asking/warning/whining to Pakistan about "not internationalizing the Kashmir dispute"

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It is okay. Let the UN tell Pakistan itself that it will not get involved unless India agrees. Multiple times. And then again.

The UN is already involved, please reference the UNSC resolutions on the Kashmir Dispute.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

just remember, Modiji has rained more mortars on you in a week than India did in 1971 indo pak war.

And Pakistan has responded back in kind, without engaging in the immature chest thumping and hate-mongering of Modi (we shut their mouth etc.), so what's your point?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There is no commitment towards the UNSC resolution. The resolution, which is non binding in nature to begin with has been rejected by India in 1950's, pretty much on the same lines as the UNSC resolution about terrorism has been by Pakistan in context of Hafeez Saeed and JuD.

You are conflating the meaning of "binding" with "commitment" - The UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir are no more "binding" than the IWT or the Simla Agreement is. As UN member States who accepted UN mediation in the Kashmir Dispute, both India and Pakistan are committed to implementing the UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir, just as the 2 States made commitments under the IWT and the bilateral Simla Agreement.

And Pakistan does in fact respect the UNSC Resolutions on HS and JuD, as I have explained to you and other Indians in the past. Pakistan is obliging with the limited requirements placed upon Pakistan, and if India or any other country disagrees, they can raise the issue in the UNSC.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No ones crying it's nawaz who is passing subtle hints telling India that he wants dialogue.

Nawaz, officially, himself and through various government officials, plainly told India that the responsibility for initiating dialog lay with India, and Pakistan was not going to approach India about it first. Now how you manage to somehow distort that into Pakistan asking for dialog is beyond me. Pakistan is done asking India, since India chose to use frivolous reasons to cancel it. India is the one that has to come and ask Pakistan to restart bilateral discussions.

 

[Storm Force]

United states of UN can do nothing to help Pakistan.

Neither can Saudi or China.

India is too big to powerful carries too much clout in the world now.

Obama and UN paying lip service to Pakistan for last ,70 years nobody lifting a finger to help pakistan

 

[Indian Patriot]

The UN is already involved, please reference the UNSC resolutions on the Kashmir Dispute.

And what good has UN involvement done for Pakistan?

Has the UN given an official statement condemning India? Has the UN it India with sanctions? Has UN deployed a peace-keeping force in Kashmir? Has UN demanded a plebiscite?

UN can do nothing. Stand and shout all you want, without a direct war with India Pakistan can never get Kashmir. And Pakistan does not have the courage or resources to fight a full-scale war against India.

 

[Indian Patriot]

And Pakistan has responded back in kind, without engaging in the immature chest thumping and hate-mongering of Modi (we shut their mouth etc.), so what's your point?

Pakistan cannot hope to match Indian military might for the next 50 years. A comparison of resources, population, manufacturing base, GDP and defence budget shows how low Pakistani chances are against India. The difference between India and Pakistan is bigger than the difference between USA and India.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And what good has UN involvement done for Pakistan?

Has the UN given an official statement condemning India? Has the UN it India with sanctions? Has UN deployed a peace-keeping force in Kashmir? Has UN demanded a plebiscite?

UN can do nothing. Stand and shout all you want, without a direct war with India Pakistan can never get Kashmir. And Pakistan does not have the courage or resources to fight a full-scale war against India.

That is irrelevant to the point I made, which was to highlight the fact that VCheng's claim that the UN was not involved was wrong - the UN is involved, as seen by the UNSC resolutions passed on Kashmir - whether it is effective or not is a different question.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Pakistan cannot hope to match Indian military might for the next 50 years. A comparison of resources, population, manufacturing base, GDP and defence budget shows how low Pakistani chances are against India. The difference between India and Pakistan is bigger than the difference between USA and India.

Irrelevant to the point I made, which is that Modi essentially got slapped in the face and looked like an utter fool when he started ranting and raving about "we shut Pakistan's mouth", and after that the Pakistani security forces continued to respond in kind to unprovoked Indian military ceasefire violations.

 

[Indian Patriot]

That is irrelevant to the point I made, which was to highlight the fact that VCheng's claim that the UN was not involved was wrong - the UN is involved, as seen by the UNSC resolutions passed on Kashmir - whether it is effective or not is a different question.

The UN has been involved since 1947. It won't do you any good. UN is "involved" only in name. It is like a student promising he will top the exams. It is just that, empty words unless backed by results.

UN "involvement" on Kashmir is as genuine as Pakistan's war against terror. UN has also condemned China for occupying Tibet and the Tianmen massacre. China is a member of the UNSC council. LOL!!

 

[Indian Patriot]

Irrelevant to the point I made, which is that Modi essentially got slapped in the face and looked like an utter fool when he started ranting and raving about "we shut Pakistan's mouth", and after that the Pakistani security forces continued to respond in kind to unprovoked Indian military ceasefire violations.

There was a media ban in the shelled areas of Pakistan. The Pakistani army was caught with their pants down. Pakistan cannot hope to match the military power of India in next 50 years. Whatever Modi said was fact, he gave a free hand to Indian army and Pakistani territory was shelled so badly that for the first time Pakistan made accusations against India in international forums for violating LoC ceasefire.

Pakistan CANNOT "respond in kind" to Indian military strikes. India is simply too big and powerful for you.

 

[VCheng]

And what good has UN involvement done for Pakistan?

Has the UN given an official statement condemning India? Has the UN it India with sanctions? Has UN deployed a peace-keeping force in Kashmir? Has UN demanded a plebiscite?

UN can do nothing. Stand and shout all you want, without a direct war with India Pakistan can never get Kashmir. And Pakistan does not have the courage or resources to fight a full-scale war against India.

The UN recognizes the Simla Agreement and acts accordingly by refusing to get involved as a third party without both India nad Pakistan agreeing to its involvement. The UN Resolutions have been superseded by the Simla Agreement, as shown clearly by UN itself.

 

[Indian Patriot]

The UN recognizes the Simla Agreement and acts accordingly by refusing to get involved as a third party without both India nad Pakistan agreeing to its involvement. The UN Resolutions have been superseded by the Simla Agreement, as shown clearly by UN itself.

Precisely. UN cannot take any action against India no matter how much Pakistan speaks/shouts/screams/begs in front of UN. It is annoying and irritating for India but other than that its worth nothing more.

 

[VCheng]

Precisely. UN cannot take any action against India no matter how much Pakistan speaks/shouts/screams/begs in front of UN. It is annoying and irritating for India but other than that its worth nothing more.

The pity is that insisting on such false interpretations only serves to demean those who would deny the legitimacy of the Simla Agreement, and that does not serve Pakistan well at all.