Modi honors fallen Indo-Pak soldiers

[wiseone2]

Your post just makes me laugh lol.

My fingernail has a higher iq than you.

you laugh because you do not have an answer
"Turks were aligned with the likes of Germany and Austria Hungary during WW 1. How do you feel dying for the Kaiser and German empire ??

at least India was a colony. We had no choice. What reason did Turkey have to get in a white man's war ?"

You think it is okay to die fighting for the Kaiser. That is fine. Take your holier than thou crap elsewhere

 

[Baybars Han]

you laugh because you do not have an answer
"Turks were aligned with the likes of Germany and Austria Hungary during WW 1. How do you feel dying for the Kaiser and German empire ??

at least India was a colony. We had no choice. What reason did Turkey have to get in a white man's war ?"

You think it is okay to die fighting for the Kaiser. That is fine. Take your holier than thou crap elsewhere

Die for the kaiser? I'm actually starting to think your retarded. Do you know what aligned means or alliances?

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

Was Christopher Columbus looking for Pakistan when he accidentally discovered America/Caribbean who then went on to name the natives as Red Pakistanis?

You could argue that India, as a nation state (as per modern definition), didn't exist as one entity with singular administration/control over the geographical area that we call India, today. But it is absurd to claim that India didn't exist before 1947 just like Pakistan didn't exist!

I only called out a stupid comment by replacing a name.

The comment had to be called out.

 

[wiseone2]

Die for the kaiser? I'm actually starting to think your retarded. Do you know what aligned means or alliances?

I know what alliances are. Spare me the nonsense about dying for the British when you are dying for the Germans. You started this whole thread about dying for the British.

They were promised freedom...

And most joined for money n honor.

However most muslim regiments revolted when ordered to fight Osmanli...Many switched to Osmanli side... others turned on british.

In Singapore they mutnied and fought5 british (ordered to fight Osmanli).....they were executed.

In Iraq Pak Frontier Force and Lancers deserted to Osmanli side.

Somehowever remained loyal to british... due to "honor" ...

There were cases where one brother was fightingwith british ... the other against...

And both won valor awards.

Like :


A forgotten hero in Pakistan is Jemadar Mir Mast Afridi from the 58th Frontier Force (Vaughan’s Rifles). Mir Mast was an Afridi Pathan from tribal areas of modern Pakistan. In 1914 his unit was shipped to France as part of the Indian Infantry Corps, which played a major role in stopping the German advance in France in 1914 in Ypres Sector . Mir Mast Afridi seems to have been a far more politically aware and resolute man as compared to many Muslims educated at MAO College Lahore, Aligarh or at many prestigious British universities and Legal Inns! Mir Mast decided that he must not fight the Britisher’s war and crossed over to the German lines on a rainy night in March 1915 along with 14 other Afridi Tribal Pathan. Mir Mast was awarded one of the highest German gallantry award Iron Cross by the German Kaiser Willhelm II .



The British awarded Mir Mast’s real brother Mir Dast Afridi (from 55th FF Coke’s Rifles) a Victoria Cross in April 1915.
The Forgotten Regiments

Mir Mast was sent to Turkey by the Germans, to meet with the Mufti, and by late in the war was back in Afghanistan apparently trying to discourage his Muslim countrymen from joining up to fight for the Raj.
A matter of honour - Philip Mason - Google Books


The Turko-German missionmembers succeeded in establishing a centre for the anti-British activities in Bagh (Tirah), in the tribal belt. In June 1916 two Turkish emissaries arrived Tirah; one was Khired Bey, a staff colonel of the Turkish army and the other Mohammad Abid (alias Abidin), an Arab, a former employee of the Turks as a drill' instructor at Kabul. Mir Mast accompanied the Turko-German Mission. He was already busy in propaganda against the British in Tirah, he had already prepared ground for the mission

On their arrival in Tirah, the emissaries were welcomed by Mast. They delivered anti-British speeches and unfurled a flag, a blessed and sent by the Turkish Sultan. By the middle of 1916 a large number of the Pashtoon soldiers, mainly deserters from the British Indian army had swelled the ranks of the Turkish emissaries. They started recruitment of the locals as well.. By July 1916, the total number of the Afridi recruits was reported to have reached about four hundreds.. They were posted in three different places and and drilled every day by Mir Mast Khan under the supervision of Kharid Bay, a Turkish Colonel.
The Turks also wrote letters to the neighbouring tribes, and in the month of August some Turkish emissaries visited the Mohmand areas where Hajji Sahib was busy in waging war against the British.

As a result of the growing popularity of the Sultan's army in Tirah, Sir George Roos-Keppel, then Chief Commissioner NVVFP, found the tribes being virtually divided into two camps: anti-British and pro-British. The former consisted of deserters and discharged soldiers from the Indian army and other pro-Afghan elements, while the latter was composed mainly of Maliks and elders who were in favour of maintaining friendly relations with the British in lieu of their allowances and other emoluments from the British Indian government. Roos Keppel believed that the Turkish agents were responsible for creating the troubles in the tribal belt, but he could not ask the Government to take any stern action against them lest he feared aggravation in the already tense situation.

The tribes who were supporting the Turkish emissaries inflicted losses on those who were accused of supporting the British. In retaliation, other tribes also organised themselves under the leadership of Khan Bahadur Zaman Khan Kuki Khel and attacked and burnt the village in which the two Turkish emissaries and their Afghan followers were living in Tirah. This action of the Afridis made them unpopular among the people. The British rewarded the tribes by sanctioning a bonus of one year’s allowances.



They were promised freedom...

And most joined for money n honor.

However most muslim regiments revolted when ordered to fight Osmanli...Many switched to Osmanli side... others turned on british.


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Pak muslim soldiers being executed-Singapore mutiny


In Singapore they mutnied and fought british (ordered to fight Osmanli).....they were executed.

In Iraq Pak Frontier Force and Lancers deserted to Osmanli side.

Somehowever remained loyal to british... due to "honor" ...

There were cases where one brother was fightingwith british ... the other against...

And both won valor awards.

Like :


A forgotten hero in Pakistan is Jemadar Mir Mast Afridi from the 58th Frontier Force (Vaughan’s Rifles). Mir Mast was an Afridi Pathan from tribal areas of modern Pakistan. In 1914 his unit was shipped to France as part of the Indian Infantry Corps, which played a major role in stopping the German advance in France in 1914 in Ypres Sector . Mir Mast Afridi seems to have been a far more politically aware and resolute man as compared to many Muslims educated at MAO College Lahore, Aligarh or at many prestigious British universities and Legal Inns! Mir Mast decided that he must not fight the Britisher’s war and crossed over to the German lines on a rainy night in March 1915 along with 14 other Afridi Tribal Pathan. Mir Mast was awarded one of the highest German gallantry award Iron Cross by the German Kaiser Willhelm II .



The British awarded Mir Mast’s real brother Mir Dast Afridi (from 55th FF Coke’s Rifles) a Victoria Cross in April 1915.
The Forgotten Regiments

Mir Mast was sent to Turkey by the Germans, to meet with the Mufti, and by late in the war was back in Afghanistan apparently trying to discourage his Muslim countrymen from joining up to fight for the Raj.
A matter of honour - Philip Mason - Google Books


The Turko-German missionmembers succeeded in establishing a centre for the anti-British activities in Bagh (Tirah), in the tribal belt. In June 1916 two Turkish emissaries arrived Tirah; one was Khired Bey, a staff colonel of the Turkish army and the other Mohammad Abid (alias Abidin), an Arab, a former employee of the Turks as a drill' instructor at Kabul. Mir Mast accompanied the Turko-German Mission. He was already busy in propaganda against the British in Tirah, he had already prepared ground for the mission

On their arrival in Tirah, the emissaries were welcomed by Mast. They delivered anti-British speeches and unfurled a flag, a blessed and sent by the Turkish Sultan. By the middle of 1916 a large number of the Pashtoon soldiers, mainly deserters from the British Indian army had swelled the ranks of the Turkish emissaries. They started recruitment of the locals as well.. By July 1916, the total number of the Afridi recruits was reported to have reached about four hundreds.. They were posted in three different places and and drilled every day by Mir Mast Khan under the supervision of Kharid Bay, a Turkish Colonel.
The Turks also wrote letters to the neighbouring tribes, and in the month of August some Turkish emissaries visited the Mohmand areas where Hajji Sahib was busy in waging war against the British.

As a result of the growing popularity of the Sultan's army in Tirah, Sir George Roos-Keppel, then Chief Commissioner NVVFP, found the tribes being virtually divided into two camps: anti-British and pro-British. The former consisted of deserters and discharged soldiers from the Indian army and other pro-Afghan elements, while the latter was composed mainly of Maliks and elders who were in favour of maintaining friendly relations with the British in lieu of their allowances and other emoluments from the British Indian government. Roos Keppel believed that the Turkish agents were responsible for creating the troubles in the tribal belt, but he could not ask the Government to take any stern action against them lest he feared aggravation in the already tense situation.

The tribes who were supporting the Turkish emissaries inflicted losses on those who were accused of supporting the British. In retaliation, other tribes also organised themselves under the leadership of Khan Bahadur Zaman Khan Kuki Khel and attacked and burnt the village in which the two Turkish emissaries and their Afghan followers were living in Tirah. This action of the Afridis made them unpopular among the people. The British rewarded the tribes by sanctioning a bonus of one year’s allowances.

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Mir Mast and other Pak soldiers in Osmali army ...


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Mir Dast who fought for brits

Isn't it odd that people who have not lived in the Ottoman Empire want to die for it ?
All the Arabs who lived under the Ottoman Empire wanted no part of it

 

[Mian Babban]

Isn't it embarrassing celebrating fighting for British empire. Personally I see that as disgusting.

Those soldiers who did not waver in shooting down a Turk in WW1, proved their worth in their own way. They proved that they are soldiers and dutiful to the core. Those who deserted British because they were reluctant against Ottoman, could be good human beings or Muslims, but certainly not good soldiers. The Khattaks , for example, did not waver in shooting down a Turk and today they are considered among the best soldiers of Pakistan army.

 

[Baybars Han]

Those soldiers who did not waver in shooting down a Turk in WW1, proved their worth in their own way. They proved that they are soldiers and dutiful to the core. Those who deserted British because they were reluctant against Ottoman, could be good human beings or Muslims, but certainly not good soldiers. The Khattaks , for example, did not waver in shooting down a Turk and today they are considered among the best soldiers of Pakistan army.

They proved they are good slaves.

 

[Mian Babban]

They proved they are good slaves.

Like your Turk ancestors were?

 

[IceCold]

What are your views on Muslims fighting Muslims now about 7 decades after the British have left ?

If i may, it was as disgusting than as it is now. Having said that the Brits left as on ground and that role was and is taken over by the Americans who continue to influence those areas and hence conflict never stops. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan just to name the few.
PS. Soldiers are soldiers and they must not be disrespected under any circumstances.

 

[Baybars Han]

Like your Turk ancestors were?

My ancestors weren't slaves to anyone. We always fought for our nations and people.

 

[Mian Babban]

My ancestors weren't slaves to anyone. We always fought for our nations and people.

Your ancestors were sold like commodities in slave markets across the Muslim world

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Your ancestors were sold like commodities in slave markets across the Muslim world

Be careful, your ancestors were put through the sword by the Turks, then became slaves in the British army. Outside of Tipu Sultan you don't have much to brag about.

If Turks were imperialists half of Europe would be speaking Turkish, not to even mention parts of Arabia.

Lol more like raped your ancestors and everyone that came in its path.

Its hilarious is it not, Turks were sought after in slave markets from a young age for there fighting/warfare abilities but never enslaved on mass. Its like saying Europeans were slaves to Turks because some of them were sold in Ottoman slave markets, nothing like the thousands forced to work on building British railways or fighting for the Brits in some parts of the Muslim world.

While our former subjects lived under our rule for 100s years before they got abused by the French, British, Italians and they try to teach Turks the code of honour and freedom.

 

[Mian Babban]

Lol more like raped your ancestors and everyone that came in its path.

May be in some fictional tale. In actual history Turks were sold and bought as slaves across the Muslim world , for various purposes including the role as bed warmers. Many Turkish slaves or Mamluks, before assuming the role of soldiers, had their behinds penetrated by their masters.

 

[wiseone2]

They proved they are good slaves.

So were the Turkish soldiers fighting for the Caliph

My ancestors weren't slaves to anyone. We always fought for our nations and people.

unless you were the Sultan or Caliph most of your ancestors were fighting so that some pervert at the top could maintain a harem

It is not like East Europeans or Arabs are clamoring for the return of the Caliphate

Be careful, your ancestors were put through the sword by the Turks, then became slaves in the British army. Outside of Tipu Sultan you don't have much to brag about.

If Turks were imperialists half of Europe would be speaking Turkish, not to even mention parts of Arabia.



Its hilarious is it not, Turks were sought after in slave markets from a young age for there fighting/warfare abilities but never enslaved on mass. Its like saying Europeans were slaves to Turks because some of them were sold in Ottoman slave markets, nothing like the thousands forced to work on building British railways or fighting for the Brits in some parts of the Muslim world.

While our former subjects lived under our rule for 100s years before they got abused by the French, British, Italians and they try to teach Turks the code of honour and freedom.

The only reason the Ottoman Empire lasted until 1914 is the Europeans fought among themselves.

British rarely conscripted anyone in the colonies. If people joined the British Army it is for money.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

The only reason the Ottoman Empire lasted until 1914 is the Europeans fought among themselves.

British rarely conscripted anyone in the colonies. If people joined the British Army it is for money.

Doesn't matter how long they lasted, every empire rises and falls, Turks fought resiliently to maintain their lands against numerous and much more militarily superior foes.

While India outside of a few exceptions for the most part bent backwards, something your good at doing learned very well from doing it for every central Asian tribe that invaded you. Fact is, Britain invaded India, was outnumbered, enslaved, massacred, caused famine, killed and recruited your populations, if thats not subjugation then I dont know what is.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Doesn't matter how long they lasted, every empire rises and falls, Turks fought resiliently to maintain their lands against numerous and much more militarily superior foes.

While India outside of a few exceptions for the most part bent backwards, something your good at doing learned very well from doing it for every central Asian tribe that invaded you. Fact is, Britain invaded India, was outnumbered, enslaved, massacred, caused famine, killed and recruited your populations, if thats not subjugation then I dont know what is.

No one ever managed to invade and conquer india. They defeated all of them within minutes. india is a superpower. I know this to be true because indians on PDF said so.............