Modi conferred ‘Grand Collar of the State of Palestine’

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Palestine is holy land for Muslims Kashmir is not. Why super ummah supporter Pakistan is not supporting Uighur Muslims ?

Kashmir is not holy for bengalis. Completely different race, different people. It's important to the people that belong to Pakistan. The Uigher problem is coming to a peaceful resolution under one of the CPEC frameworks........

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I suppose congratulations are in order to Modi for being such a fervent supporter of the Israeli arms industry (https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-sold-5-7-billion-in-military-hardware-in-2015/, https://thediplomat.com/2017/04/india-israel-conclude-2-billion-missile-deal/). Oh wait, the same said arms industry that is arming the armed forces slowly kicking Palestinians out from the region. Mahmoud Abbas, as the PM of Palestinians sir, you are a true genius . Who is next in this queue Lieberman?




Pakistan has never called for countries to not recognize India. It has called for the Muslim and Arab world to realize Indian atrocities being committed against Muslims in Kashmir and raise their voice against. We have been deluded into believing that Muslims are brothers and will look out for each other. News like this comes as a rude awakening to many who have been raised to believe ummah first.

You are once again thinking that national states are going to side sharply in favor of Pakistan (which most Arab countries have been doing anyway but let us forget this little fact) and risk jeopardizing relations with an upcoming superpower (yes, that is what India most likely will become at least economic power and not far from now).

I think that Arabs have done more for Pakistan in this regard and Pakistan as a whole than most if not all Muslims when one looks at facts and ground realities.

BTW, I am sure that the leaders of KSA and most other Arab countries were disappointed when Pakistan did not want to send a symbolic number of troops to Yemen when one of their most trusted allies needed help.

You see, the mirror has two sides. Depending on which side you look at, you will see different angles. You see one or two angles, I see other ones.

 

[DarkPrince]

Kashmir is not holy for bengalis. Completely different race, different people. It's important to the people that belong to Pakistan. The Uigher problem is coming to a peaceful resolution under one of the CPEC frameworks........

Again with your "unique race and unique culture" . As i said Kashmir is not holy for Muslims. Kashmir is more like border dispute than actual holy war.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I love the Arab people and culture. But not their leaders. I don't hate our Arab brothers and sisters.

I am glad to hear about this. BTW it would suit you not to say that Arabs do not regard Pakistanis as Muslims or some second rate Muslims. That is not the reality and I do not know where such baseless assumptions come from. BTWtTell that to your brethren here in this very thread (believe one of them is married with an Arab) @Kambojaric or the 10.000's of others out there in the "real world". We have a few half-Arab half-Pakistani mixtures here on PDF alone. I have talking with some of them.

The last thing Arabs are, historically and currently, is enemies of Pakistan and Pakistanis. That is a utterly ridiculous notion that is not worth commenting on.

Pakistanis do not care about Palestine. lol Modi will never side with Palestine against Israel.

We both know that this is not true my brother. But I will tell you what Pakistanis don't care about in the Arab world in terms oaf conflicts? Pretty much everything else. Do we blame you? Not at all. Do you know why most of your countrymen care? Could it have something to do with religion and certain important religious sites or is it just because Pakistanis decided to love Palestinians from 1948 onwards more than other Muslims? You don't believe that, do you?

Arabs and Iranians do not hate Pakistanis more than Indians.

Usually Arabs (the Gulf ones) think better of Pakistanis when compared to Indians.

But seriously Palestine is a lost cause.
There are even Muslim countries like Egypt, Jordan, and Turkey having diplomatic relations with Israel.

shows the hypocrisy of some Muslim countries.

Arabs do not hate Pakistanis at all (the most favorable pro-Pakistani Arabs are found in the GCC due to the closest Pakistani-Arab ties - most other Arabs are clueless - just telling you how it is) and you might not like this either, but Arabs have no problems with Indians either unless 1) they are anti-Muslim 2) anti-Arab.

Most Indians in the GCC are Muslim with some 40% Hindu (it's fifty-fitty at most) and overall a well-behaved community that do not cause much trouble.

I never said I DON'T believe in the Ummah but CURRENTLY it is not feasible. IF & WHEN ALL Muslims believe in it then and ONLY then can it come in to reality. IT CANNOT COME into reality by ONLY Pakistanis believing in it.

Also the Ummah cannot exist when Arabs hate Iranians or when indian so called "Muslims" have a deeper pathological hatred of Pakistan than even the sikhs or hindus.

We do not hate Iranians (that would include Iranian Arabs too). Arabs and Iranians across the border (GCC and Iraq) have close ties that are not spoken about here on PDF due to nationalistic reasons and most people (users) being nationalists and this being a forum and everything where "my father is stronger than your father" logic reigns supreme. I am guilty of this too at times and so are you probably.

Ask Iranian users such as @skyshadow @pin gu @Hack-Hook . If that was even remotely the case do you think that the largest Iranian diaspora in the world outside of the US, would be living in the GCC of all places?

Our problems, which date to 1979, are based on political differences and regime policies and in each country you will have flowers of regimes (majority in our region) and those two do not agree or partially agree or degree with aspect x of the conflict but not aspect y.

BTW it is vice versa for some. It is not only Arabs that are against Iranians. It's also the other way around, maybe even more due to historical reasons in the past 1400 years. Reasons that Arabs have not felt or can use as an excuse to "hate" the other.

Asalamu Alaikum

I've worked with Palestinians too. Never seen anything in them that was rude, these people are humble. My grandfather who visited Palestine said the same thing, and the Palestinians there even asked him if they were as bad as other Arabs in the Gulf (he said no obviously).

Obviously there are exceptions, but unless proven otherwise, give people the benefit of the doubt.



This is a problem. You're judging based on nationality, that's not how this works. You give each individual Muslim you meet the benefit of the doubt, unless or until they prove you wrong.

Brother, you can't say that. You are supposed to say that Arabs insulted you racially and enslaved you in the process and instantly recognized you as a second rate Muslim. When they heard the word "Pakistan" their eyes started to turn red in pure anger. To console them, you proposed meeting an Indian friend of yours instead to calm the Arab down.

 

[Hamza913]

Brother, you can't say that. You are supposed to say that Arabs insulted you racially and enslaved you in the process and instantly recognized you as a second rate Muslim. When they heard the word "Pakistan" their eyes started to turn red in pure anger. To console them, you proposed meeting an Indian friend of yours instead to call them Arab down.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The only way Bait ul Maqdas gets destroyed is if Iran does something batsh!t crazy.

And they have not touched Israel directly even once since 1979, so I think that this "worry", is nonexistent if I am to be honest with you.

Palestinians are on their own ever since Arab nationalist regimes were toppled. Those were the only guys that were willing to go to war with Israel more than once and essentially the US and the entire West at the same time. It did not end too well in 1967, better in 1973, but the almost impossible objective (to drive the Jew to the Sea) was not met. Maybe for the better in say 50 years time. Who knows?

Anyway I would never underestimate a current-day Jew fighting for his new homeland post-Holocaust. They are not the same people. Don't blame them. Add their technological superiority (not only over Arabs but all Muslims) and their suger-daddy (US and West) and it is mission impossible for the Palestinians to drive them to the Sea as previously spoken about by some.

Just like I don't think (with all due respect) that Kashmir will ever be fully in Pakistan's control. Please don't crucify me here due to this comment.

Iran has no horses in this either.

Where have you been since 1979? What's this Hezbollah "something" group all about or that contradictory support for an secular Arab Ba'athi nationalist regime (Al-Assad) in Syria against fellow Islamists mostly with another color and flavor (Sunni vs Shia)? Was Khomeini's Islamic revolution not about uniting the Muslim world?

 

[hussain0216]

BTW, I am sure that the leaders of KSA and most other Arab countries were disappointed when Pakistan did not want to send a symbolic number of troops to Yemen when one of their most trusted allies needed help.

The old Pakistan is gone, we need to look after our own interests
Unless you can show how it will benefit us, dont expect Pakistan to do anything unless you are under attack and our security arrangement kicks in

India is a overpopulated slum and we are relentlessly pursuing a defence strategy against them
War will happen between us one way or the other and we are preparing for either the arabs show support or dont expect anything from us

 

[Hamza913]

Anyway I would never underestimate a current-day Jew fighting for his new homeland post-Holocaust. They are not the same people. Don't blame them. Add their technological superiority (not only over Arabs but all Muslims) and their suger-daddy (US and West) and it is mission impossible for the Palestinians to drive them to the Sea as previously spoken about by some.

Just like I don't think (with all due respect) that Kashmir will ever be fully in Pakistan's control. Please don't crucify me here due to this comment.

Palestinians can and will drive them into the sea unless they are willing to coexist peacefully under a Palestinian state. They will bleed their enemy with a thousand cuts, and eventually swoop in for the kill. Israel can't keep this up forever, just watch.

As for Kashmir, we ruled of Hindustan once, we can do it again.

 

[INDIAPOSITIVE]

https://twitter.com/x/status/962389559484059648

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The J&K attack was discussed with the Palestinian Pres. PM told him we want to fight against terrorism together. PM told him it is well known where those actions are emanating from & India would take all necessary steps to ensure we fight terrorism: Vijay Gokhale, Foreign Secy

 

[Saif al-Arab]

The old Pakistan is gone, we need to look after our own interests
Unless you can show how it will benefit us, dont expect Pakistan to do anything unless you are under attack and our security arrangement kicks in

India is a overpopulated slum and we are relentlessly pursuing a defence strategy against them
War will happen between us one way or the other and we are preparing for either the arabs show support or dont expect anything from us

Similarly we must conclude (thus) that the old Arab world or "old Arab states" and practices of giving and expecting little in return has ended too. It's all about national interests then. No billions of dollars in handouts, no investments, no help in case of natural disasters, no remittances anymore etc. But you are being a hypocrite. You are only addressing Arabs while Chinese, Iranian and Turks have close economic ties (some are even building strategic ports with them - Mullah's say hello) with India as well and don't seem to pick any sides either (100%) let alone ignoring India.
Anyway was that not what I wrote initially and why modern-day states (nation states) cannot be compared to the average people or even masses within them, certainly not in our region of the world and the Muslim world in general? Because if that was the case, Pakistan could have launched nukes at India and in return become a wasteland.

So maybe it is for the better.

 

[MultaniGuy]

As for the current topic, I've always had a good impression of most Arab countries. Even the ones currently in a state of civil war like Iraq and Syria, after all they are the cradle of human civilization.

But not Palestine. I've never heard anything good coming out of Palestine, whether in terms of economic, technological or cultural matters.

And the fact that they are dancing on Modi's head right now just further goes to show this, since they must know about Modi's anti-Muslim reputation, it's his defining characteristic.

I feel like China only provides diplomatic support to Palestine internationally in order to appease our more important allies in the Muslim world.

I am glad to hear about this. BTW it would suit you not to say that Arabs do not regard Pakistanis as Muslims or some second rate Muslims. That is not the reality and I do not know where such baseless assumptions come from. BTWtTell that to your brethren here in this very thread (believe one of them is married with an Arab) @Kambojaric or the 10.000's of others out there in the "real world". We have a few half-Arab half-Pakistani mixtures here on PDF alone. I have talking with some of them.

The last thing Arabs are, historically and currently, is enemies of Pakistan and Pakistanis. That is a utterly ridiculous notion that is not worth commenting on.



We both know that this is not true my brother. But I will tell you what Pakistanis don't care about in the Arab world in terms oaf conflicts? Pretty much everything else. Do we blame you? Not at all. Do you know why most of your countrymen care? Could it have something to do with religion and certain important religious sites or is it just because Pakistanis decided to love Palestinians from 1948 onwards more than other Muslims? You don't believe that, do you?



Arabs do not hate Pakistanis at all (the most favorable pro-Pakistani Arabs are found in the GCC due to the closest Pakistani-Arab ties - most other Arabs are clueless - just telling you how it is) and you might not like this either, but Arabs have no problems with Indians either unless 1) they are anti-Muslim 2) anti-Arab.

Most Indians in the GCC are Muslim with some 40% Hindu (it's fifty-fitty at most) and overall a well-behaved community that do not cause much trouble.



We do not hate Iranians (that would include Iranian Arabs too). Arabs and Iranians across the border (GCC and Iraq) have close ties that are not spoken about here on PDF due to nationalistic reasons and most people (users) being nationalists and this being a forum and everything where "my father is stronger than your father" logic reigns supreme. I am guilty of this too at times and so are you probably.

Ask Iranian users such as @skyshadow @pin gu @Hack-Hook . If that was even remotely the case do you think that the largest Iranian diaspora in the world outside of the US, would be living in the GCC of all places?

Our problems, which date to 1979, are based on political differences and regime policies and in each country you will have flowers of regimes (majority in our region) and those two do not agree or partially agree or degree with aspect x of the conflict but not aspect y.

BTW it is vice versa for some. It is not only Arabs that are against Iranians. It's also the other way around, maybe even more due to historical reasons in the past 1400 years. Reasons that Arabs have not felt or can use as an excuse to "hate" the other.



Brother, you can't say that. You are supposed to say that Arabs insulted you racially and enslaved you in the process and instantly recognized you as a second rate Muslim. When they heard the word "Pakistan" their eyes started to turn red in pure anger. To console them, you proposed meeting an Indian friend of yours instead to calm the Arab down.

Okay let me correct myself, my Arab friend. Pakistanis sympathize with the suffering of our Muslims brethren in Palestine. Let me remind you that not all Palestinians are Muslim. Many Palestinians are Christians as well.

The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not a Muslim conflict with Zionists. It is a Palestinian conflict with the Zionists.

The old Pakistan is gone, we need to look after our own interests
Unless you can show how it will benefit us, dont expect Pakistan to do anything unless you are under attack and our security arrangement kicks in

India is a overpopulated slum and we are relentlessly pursuing a defence strategy against them
War will happen between us one way or the other and we are preparing for either the arabs show support or dont expect anything from us

What you say is correct. Like Saudi Arabia looks after it's interests first, we Pakistanis need to look after our interests first.

 

[hussain0216]

Similarly we must conclude (thus) that the old Arab world or "old Arab states" and practices of giving and expecting little in return have ended too. It's all about national interests then. Was that not what I wrote initially and why national states cannot be compared to the average people or even masses, certainly not in our region of the world and the Muslim world in general?

Absolutely, its what Pakistani's need to understand

Our hatred for hindus is total

Too many Pakistanis have drunk the ummah cool aid expecting that the arabs would naturally stand with us, when our real allies have emerged as China (atheist nation) and Turkey (same religion but bonds based on history, culture etc)

As Pakistan becomes more self reliant we dont expect nations to forgo economic interest in the name of possible future conflict between Pakistan and India

So Pakistanis who still believe in ummah (dwindling number) need to understand the nature of arabs to understand that our interests and emnity with india comes first and doing anything for arabs is a waste

Yemen was just the start

 

[Enigma_]

Absolutely, its what Pakistani's need to understand

Our hatred for hindus is total

Too many Pakistanis have drunk the ummah cool aid expecting that the arabs would naturally stand with us, when our real allies have emerged as China (atheist nation) and Turkey (same religion but bonds based on history, culture etc)

As Pakistan becomes more self reliant we dont expect nations to forgo economic interest in the name of possible future conflict between Pakistan and India

So Pakistanis who still believe in ummah (dwindling number) need to understand the nature of arabs to understand that our interests and emnity with india comes first and doing anything for arabs is a waste

Yemen was just the start

Again let me state my view. Having normal relationships with the Arab states is fine. As is with all other states on Earth but lets not give other nations preferential treatment based on religious zeal or emotional entanglement because the other side sure as hell ain't going to give it. As a matter of fact they've taken grave advantage of it.

 

[Kambojaric]

You are once again thinking that national states are going to side sharply in favor of Pakistan (which most Arab countries have been doing anyway but let us forget this little fact) and risk jeopardizing relations with an upcoming superpower (yes, that is what India most likely will become at least economic power and not far from now).

I think that Arabs have done more for Pakistan in this regard and Pakistan as a whole than most if not all Muslims when one looks at facts and ground realities.

BTW, I am sure that the leaders of KSA and most other Arab countries were disappointed when Pakistan did not want to send a symbolic number of troops to Yemen when one of their most trusted allies needed help.

You see, the mirror has two sides. Depending on which side you look at, you will see different angles. You see one or two angles, I see other ones.

Actually I am not one of those Pakistanis who gets annoyed at Arab countries for choosing to maintain excellent relations with India. At the end of the day it is all about your own interest. What I am saying is that Pakistanis are generally raised to believe in the concept of Muslim solidarity and having each others back. That is why Pakistan has not recognized Israel. What they dont realize is that Arabs dont support Palestinians out of Islamic solidarity but out of Arab brotherhood. This is why there is next to no support for Kashmir in the Arab world (I know this since I am married to a Palestinian and my wife freely admits forget Kashmiri she didnt even know what a Pakistani was till she met me lol). Unlike the GCC, the Levant has a minute Pakistani presence at best.

With regards to Abu Mazen, I am laughing at him awarding the President of India the highest award Palestinians can give to foreign dignitaries based on the fact that the said recipient of this award is also the largest financial supporter of the Israeli war machine (in terms of weapons imported). The irony is just amazing!

 

[MultaniGuy]

Actually I am not one of those Pakistanis who gets annoyed at Arab countries for choosing to maintain excellent relations with India. At the end of the day it is all about your own interest. What I am saying is that Pakistanis are generally raised to believe in the concept of Muslim solidarity and having each others back. That is why Pakistan has not recognized Israel. What they dont realize is that Arabs dont support Palestinians out of Islamic solidarity but out of Arab brotherhood. This is why there is next to no support for Kashmir in the Arab world (I know this since I am married to a Palestinian and my wife freely admits forget Kashmiri she didnt even know what a Pakistani was till she met me lol). Unlike the GCC, the Levant has a minute Pakistani presence at best.

With regards to Abu Mazen, I am laughing at him awarding the President of India the highest award Palestinians can give to foreign dignitaries based on the fact that the said recipient of this award is also the largest financial supporter of the Israeli war machine (in terms of weapons imported). The irony is just amazing!

Exactly my point. India couldn't give a darn for Palestine.

The Palestine cause is a lost cause.

Perhaps Pakistan should have diplomatic relations with Israel.

Leave the Palestine problem to the Palestinians.

Do Arabs care about Kashmir dispute? Probably most of them do not.