MOD to HAL: Build Tejas Mk.2 With Export In Mind

[angeldemon_007]

The choice of Derby is not surprising as it is not selected as a standard BVR weapon for the LCA. Rather it will be used to demonstrate the BVR capacity of the Tejas to gain the FOC.

Then why would India be purchasing enough Derby to be fit on 200 jets ??/ Believe it or not mate, its not meant for just FOC. I am not saying that in future no other BVR can find its place on the wings of LCA but right now Derby is there for that purpose. I think in future Astra will be fitted but i don't see a need to purchase R77 since we already are purchasing Derby now.

Rafael Derby BVRAAMs on Indian Air Force HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2012-end | India Defence

Nirbhay will qualify for the centreline pylon of LCA mk2. And it is not a distant thing, you will see it complete the development cycle by 2015.

Why the hell will you fit a 1000 km range subsonic cruise missile with 1000 kg weight on a small jet like LCA ??/ Seriously mate it won't do any good also. It not like Brahmos, its a 1000km range subsonic cruise missile. We don't need a jet to carry it and thats the purpose of making a long range subsonic cruise missile that we don't need anything to carry it to deliver it to the target. Using Nirbhay from its usual launchers will be good enough for us. Also LCA is not meant meant actually for an anti-ship operations. Although it can do that job also...

Thanx for giving some useful information....
Also can somebody tell me whether we are still pursuing Mayawi ?? Any timeline for its ? Will it be there in LCA mk2 ?
Is there any new update about aesa and the partner along with whom we will develop it ??? Or are we going solo on aesa ??

 

[ganimi kawa]

1.Then why would India be purchasing enough Derby to be fit on 200 jets ??/ Believe it or not mate, its not meant for just FOC. I am not saying that in future no other BVR can find its place on the wings of LCA but right now Derby is there for that purpose. I think in future Astra will be fitted but i don't see a need to purchase R77 since we already are purchasing Derby now.

Rafael Derby BVRAAMs on Indian Air Force HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft by 2012-end | India Defence


2.Why the hell will you fit a 1000 km range subsonic cruise missile with 1000 kg weight on a small jet like LCA ??/ Seriously mate it won't do any good also. It not like Brahmos, its a 1000km range subsonic cruise missile. We don't need a jet to carry it and thats the purpose of making a long range subsonic cruise missile that we don't need anything to carry it to deliver it to the target. Using Nirbhay from its usual launchers will be good enough for us. Also LCA is not meant meant actually for an anti-ship operations. Although it can do that job also...

Thanx for giving some useful information....
Also can somebody tell me whether we are still pursuing Mayawi ?? Any timeline for its ? Will it be there in LCA mk2 ?
Is there any new update about aesa and the partner along with whom we will develop it ??? Or are we going solo on aesa ??

1. The report says that negotiations are going on. Wait for the final deal before we comment on the number of missiles ordered. And the 200 no. is inexplicable!

Your report also says,

The IAF has selected the Derby BVR-AAM over the indigenous Astra BVR-AAM to expedite the induction of Tejas into its arsenal.

That is nothing but the FOC!

I believe we will see an order of (200?) few missiles for the 40 mk1 slated for the delivery.

Astra mk1 will be proved on the mki.

2. Why the hell not? Air Launched Long range cruise missiles are one of the most preferred methods of early attack. They have proved their lethality in the GW 1 and 2.

Here are a few examples of those -- US- ALCM, USSR- Kh22, Kh55; Europe- Taurus KEPD.


Integrating Nirbhay on LCA and other aircrafts offers flexibility to the Indian armed forces like never before!

 

[sancho]

Helina mk1 is ready for user trials. Mk2 with advanced seeker is in the making. Project has already been initiated to enhance the range upto 17-20 km and give it NLOS like capabilities. Efforts are also on to integrate it with UAVs. All in all, a brimstone like weapon is in the making and will be ready by 2017. Most of this is mentioned in the presentation on helina in the AERO INDIA seminar 2011.

Let's get the first version operational first, before we get into conclusion of futher developments.

Nirbhay will qualify for the centreline pylon of LCA mk2. And it is not a distant thing, you will see it complete the development cycle by 2015.

As I said, that's highly unlikly, because there is no operational reason to put such an heavy cruise missile on an light fighter, there is simply no advantage and by the fact that that missile has such a range, it's out of question for exports anyway.

 

[sancho]

will any nation prefer mk2 if they are getting Gripen jas 39, of SAAB with TOT? I dont think that.... take it or not...

The first point to think about is, that with US engine, we will be as dependable at exports as Saab is and whenever we could join a competition, where an US fighter is offered, it will be difficult.
Regarding Gripen, the difference is pretty simple, LCA MK2 is not as capable as Gripen NG, but cheaper and more importantly, when it will be on offer for exports, ordered in numbers from India as well. Gripen NG, or E/F instead is dependent on export orders to be developed, otherwise they will integrate some of it's techs as upgrades to older versions, that's it. So when a customer has a choice between LCA MK2 and Gripen NG, he has to think about if the NG offers enough advantages over MK2 to justify the higher costs and risks. I think we would have an advantage there, but in gerneral I don't see Gripen NG and LCA MK2 as competitors in export competitions, because when MK2 will be available, Gripen production line might be closed unless they get any export orders. That leaves JF 17 Block 3 and J10B as biggest competitors for future export markets.

 

[aladin123]

What I personally think is that Tejas should introduce(in many) or not in the IAF does not matter but it provides an excellent technological base for India to go further I mean for fifth generation aircraft.

 

[AgnosticIndianNationalist]

export? for god sakes get LCA MK1 inducted first then get MK2 finished flown inducted ASAP export is later first give our AF the LCA's to remove flying coffin MiG-21 god only knows how many pilots and MiGs were lost because of the apathy from AF and MOD

 

[DacterSaab]

design LCA-Mk2 with export in mind but who'll import that jet????
Nepal??????

 

[Tshering22]

design LCA-Mk2 with export in mind but who'll import that jet????
Nepal??????

Tejas is a fine jet mate. You won't know who'd be interested until you complete the product ambitiously, go out there do some aggressive marketing and then come up to see who is interested. Remember, there are a lot of countries in the Southeast Asia that want to balance Chinese influence with a counter--us. If Tejas is ramped up, it can make a fine addition to say Vietnamese etc. Vietnamese use Su-30 MKV2s for their main offense. Tejas MK2 version would pack a serious punch as a second line of defense for anyone. Remember, slow time doesn't always mean that the product is crappy. Tejas has a clean record despite being in test phase and even IAF pilots themselves have praised the jet. When they themselves are happy in terms of flying it, I don't understand whyothers should doubt it since they're the ones who will fly these.

It is just that we need to remove 80% of rules in manufacturing of defense goods and replace them with a totally new set of rules. Manufacturing is appalling in our country...I will give you that.

 

[DacterSaab]

OK maybe Vietnamese will import Tejas Mk-2 but why use Tejas for second line of defence as far as I understand even Indians wanna use it as their primary point defence fighter performing bulk of Aerial interception missions and beside with it's short range and low payload it'll be virtually useless in offensive roles

 

[saumyasupratik]

With the American Engines and Israeli Radar forget the Tejas Mk.II being exported to Vietnam without facing embargoes.

 

[Abingdonboy]

With the American Engines and Israeli Radar forget the Tejas Mk.II being exported to Vietnam without facing embargoes.

By the time HAL can even think about exports they will first need to fulfil ALL Mk.1 and Mk.2 deliveries to IAF/IN so by that time, so where in the distant future, I am sure the Kaveri would have been successfully integrated on the LCA as the project os supposedly 85-90% complete.

 

[CardSharp]

Remember, there are a lot of countries in the Southeast Asia that want to balance Chinese influence with a counter--us.

So we have Vietnam, Philippines, and?

 

[faithfulguy]

Again, India should give a rest about exporting Tejas. The plane has an American engine and would require American permission for any exports. As India is not capable of producing an airplane without importing engine and radar, it should focus on achieving this first before considering exporting.

 

[AgnosticIndianNationalist]

Again, India should give a rest about exporting Tejas. The plane has an American engine and would require American permission for any exports. As India is not capable of producing an airplane without importing engine and radar, it should focus on achieving this first before considering exporting.

we wont export Tejas with american engine and Israeli radar that is Tejas MK1 we are talking about Tejas MK2 in future with Kaveri in future when Kaveri Engine is ready with all Indian AESA radar that is being developed by DRDO in collaboration with a foreign firm either Elta or THALES

Tejas MK2 will have a indigenous radar and indigenous engine (when GEF414 engines need to be replaced)

 

[siegecrossbow]

Again, India should give a rest about exporting Tejas. The plane has an American engine and would require American permission for any exports. As India is not capable of producing an airplane without importing engine and radar, it should focus on achieving this first before considering exporting.

Thank God you are not flying a PRC flag brother...