MoD in a shock after HAL seeks Rs 463cr per LCA jet, more than Su-30 MKI

[KapitaanAli]

bhai seedha seedha bolo bhti ganga main her koi naha raha hai

The funny thing is, this is not a shock to anyone. Everyone knows this is how it works and this so expensive price just goes back to govt pockets.

But you'll see these OMG SO SHOCKED reports now for obvious reasons. This is just the next attempt to kill off Tejas and buy OH SO CHEAP F16 and whatever.

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Well, if that's the price we have to pay for attaining indigenous capability, then so be it.
Countries buying their fighters on loans needn't worry about our spending capacity.

 

[My-Analogous]

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The euphoria within the defence establishment over the induction of the first indigenous Light Combat Aircraft into the IAF appears to have subsided with the Defence Ministry forming a committee to look into the “high price” demanded by Bengaluru-based public sector manufacturer, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), for Tejas Mark1A.

Sources told The Indian Express that in response to a request for a proposal for 83 Tejas Mark1A fighter jets issued by the IAF in December last year, HAL quoted a price of Rs 463 crore per jet in April. This raised eyebrows in the government, sources said, as the price compared unfavourably even with more modern foreign fighters. “The HAL supplies the more modern Russian Sukhoi fighter, which it assembles at Nashik, at Rs 415 crore. The Russians supply it at Rs 330 crore. The Swedish Gripen was offered to us for Rs 455 crore, and F-16 for Rs 380 crore, and both were to be made in India. The HAL itself gave us Tejas Mark1 at Rs 100 crore less. This price for an improved version seems high,” sources said.

Concerned about the price for an indigenous fighter jet, which the government has been keen to promote under Make in India scheme, the committee set up by the Defence Ministry will look into the pricing of military equipment manufactured by defence PSUs. The committee is headed by Principal Advisor (Cost) in the ministry and is likely to submit its report in the next few weeks.

Once the committee submits its report, the ministry will form a commercial negotiations committee (CNC) to bring down HAL’s price for the jet. The contract for 83 jets, sources said, will take another year before it is finally signed.

According to sources, the Defence Ministry is also concerned about the delay in supply of the existing order of the first lot of 40 Tejas fighter jets. In last three years, only nine fighter jets in Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) mode were supplied against an order of 20. The order for another 20 Tejas jets in Final Operational Clearance (FOC) has not even begun, as the FOC has not yet been attained by the aircraft. The ministry has also agreed that the HAL will supply eight trainer aircraft out of 40, after the 36 Tejas Mark1 have been supplied. “The idea was that HAL will produce 18 Tejas fighters every year. That is the only way we can provide IAF to make up its numbers as its older fighters go out of service. But there has been a delay and we are in touch with HAL about it,” sources said.

The ministry had also asked IAF about allegations that it had made constant changes in ASQR (Air Staff Quality Requirements), which could have led to the delay. They found that there have been no changes in the ASQR of Tejas Mark1A, since it was first formalised in 2014. Even in the case of Tejas Mark1, the IAF had given 135 concessions on the ASQR to HAL.
source: http://defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=559091

Vedic technology is always high because of 1000's year of research cost. Please try to understand the problem.

 

[Feng Leng]

Vedic technology is always high because of 1000's year of research cost. Please try to understand the problem.

6th generation LCA better than cheap Chinese stealth fighters.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Don't blame it on clerks... LCA is technically flawed... basically the air-frame.
Fix the air frame and rest of all would be fine.

Tejas are not commercially and operationally viable apparently because if india produce it for themselves the cost is high so whats the point of producing domestically when in less cost you can buy it from other countries and they are much better and established jets?If they try to sell them no country is dumb enough to buy a less established jet when in less cost they can buy state of the art american and russian jets.
On the other hand JF-17 thunder may be a bit less advanced technically than tejas but it has a cost advantage its less costly to produce domestically and due to less cost its attractive for the air forces of developing countries.It looks like we learned how to effectively manage our scarce and limited resources but on the other hand india with much more money and bigger economy is careless and less efficient.

 

[BATMAN]

On the other hand JF-17 thunder may be a bit less advanced technically than tejas

what exactly is less advance...? would you mind telling!

 

[hussain0216]

Tejas is the slap across indias face that keeps on stinging

What a way to fuc india over for decades

 

[I S I]

After all, that newly developed Gau Muttar Powered Tejas Engine doesn't comes cheap.

 

[SecularNationalist]

what exactly is less advance...? would you mind telling!

I used the word "maybe" as you know many indians always brag about tejas more advanced than the JF17 thunder.

After all, that newly developed Gau Muttar Powered Tejas Engine doesn't comes cheap.

They take one hour to start and heat up before they can fly as you know cow dung burns slowly

 

[I S I]

They take one hour to start and heat up before they can fly as you know cow dung burns slowly

Oh then this also means that Tejas MK2 will be a stealth fighter. Omg we just cracked a mystery.

 

[BATMAN]

@SecularNationalist TEJA despite the fact is expensive in cost as compare to imported Rafael, its still cheaper for India because it has given probably 1/2 money to local contractors.
Do you understand the economics of local made?

 

[aman_rai0007]

Vedic technology is always high because of 1000's year of research cost. Please try to understand the problem.

Vedic technology is always high because of 1000's year of research cost. Please try to understand the problem.

Still better than the roohani takat and 1400 years old junk that has already crashed twice....
I can troll better than you so stay on topic don't get into religion

 

[SecularNationalist]

Oh then this also means that Tejas MK2 will be a stealth fighter. Omg we just cracked a mystery.

yes its completely stealthy on ground

@SecularNationalist TEJA despite the fact is expensive in cost as compare to imported Rafael, its still cheaper for India because it has given probably 1/2 money to local contractors.
Do you understand the economics of local made?

creating an industry in the economy is another thing though ,the overall viability of a jet another

 

[my2cents]

yes its completely stealthy on ground


creating an industry in the economy is another thing though ,the overall viability of a jet another

Whoever said that producing a jet at an affordable price and learning the intricacies of integrating different systems is easy needs a psychiatric help. Ridiculing someone's effort only shows your lack of culture. Yes, it is expensive and the costs have to come down to make it affordable. Bulk orders for our own needs will bring down these costs as we streamline the manufacturing process.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Whoever said that producing a jet at an affordable price and learning the intricacies of integrating different systems is easy needs a psychiatric help. Ridiculing someone's effort only shows your lack of culture. Yes, it is expensive and the costs have to come down to make it affordable. Bulk orders for our own needs will bring down these costs as we streamline the manufacturing process.

The point is you are not producing it at an affordable price and trying to do it for a long time while on the other hand learn something from us how we are mass producing JF-17 thunder in a cost effective way. Yes its not easy but you can learn from those who are successful in doing so.