MKE Rushes Delivery of MPT-76 Rifles

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MKE Employees pose before delivery trucks left the factory (MKE)

In a show of patriotism Turkey’s state-owned small arms manufacturer MKEK (Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation) has delivered the next batch of new MPT-76 rifles to the Turkish Army ahead of schedule.

With staff reportedly working overtime the next shipment of MPT-76s was shipped out on 12th February. The shipment was the largest to date totalling 4,500 rifles, filling 5 trucks. Part of an initial order for 20,000 rifles, the first shipment of which was delivered back in January 2017.

The MPT-76 is a 7.62x51mm battle rifle, based on the AR-10. Set to replace the Turkish Army’s G3A7 with production of 250,000 rifles planned by 2026. With Turkish ground forces currently involved in operations in Northern Syria against the Kurdish PKK, MKE pushed hard to deliver the next batch of rifles ahead of schedule.

MKE workers celebrate by firing off some rounds, note what appear to be blank firing adapters (MKE)

Local garrison commander Brigadier General Selami Arslan, Gendarmerie commander Colonel İbrahim Ayhan Vural, and MKE Executive Vice President Akif Akgün were all present at the ceremony to see off the delivery trucks. Milmag reported that MKE paid for the trucks to transport the rifles themselves. The ceremony included speeches, prayers and celebratory gunfire and was widely covered by a number of Turkish media outlets including Hürriyet and Doğan Haber Ajansı.

The governor of Kırıkkale province, where MKE’s factory is based, Mehmet İlker Haktankaçmaz said in a speech outside the factory [courtesy of google translate]:

We are going through a period in which our national sentiments… are breaking, and our heroic security forces, our country, our state, your nationality is fighting against heroic terrorist organizations for the security of our country, our nationality and our national security… Today we are here for the delivery ceremony of our National Infantry Weapons, where the MKE Weapon Factory is the greatest supporter of the fighting heroes there.

MKE’s factory manager Mehmet Oçakcıoğlu said in his speech said [courtesy of google translate]:

As a weapons factory, we continue to manufacture weapons with all our power. Our former retired workers reported that they were ready to work again. Our weapons are our best weapon in the world now produced in the world. If someone writes MKE is not the best weapon, it is the best weapon, and also a world leader. MKE is able to make better weapons. We will accomplish this.

A final batch of 5,000 guns are due to be delivered to the Turkish army in late April, early May 2018. This will complete the initial 20,000 rifle order agreed back in 2015.

https://www.dha.com.tr/yurt/afrindeki-mehmetcige-4-bin-500-adetmpt76-tufegi-gonderildi/haber-1564303

 

[BordoEnes]

We are rushing now? That really cant bode well, especially considering the poor quality armament MKE has been pumping out throughout its history.

 

[Yatağanlı]

Our weapons are our best weapon in the world now produced in the world. If someone writes MKE is not the best weapon, it is the best weapon, and also a world leader. MKE is able to make better weapons. We will accomplish this.

I lolled

 

[u.MP]

We are rushing now? That really cant bode well, especially considering the poor quality armament MKE has been pumping out throughout its history.

Poor choice of words probably, just increasing the production rate. If quality suffers because of it, we'll know soon enough.

 

[mete]

Increasing production does not mean sacrifice of quality. Production steps are standart for a model; you can not change quality unless you change material.

Probably they will increase workhours, increase workers if necessary, may be increase production line.

This is how you increase production rate in heavy industry. Actually increasing production rate by reducing quality is much much much harder to do, generally impossible. Quality drop is generally economic, not quantity based. You need to re-engineer the whole thing for reduced quality, test the whole thing and whole production again, replan the production prdocess. For quality drop you generally start from scratch for many production steps.

 

[-SINAN-]

Increasing production does not mean sacrifice of quality. Production steps are standart for a model; you can not change quality unless you change material.

Probably they will increase workhours, increase workers if necessary, may be increase production line.

This is how you increase production rate in heavy industry. Actually increasing production rate by reducing quality is much much much harder to do, generally impossible. Quality drop is generally economic, not quantity based. You need to re-engineer the whole thing for reduced quality, test the whole thing and whole production again, replan the production prdocess. For quality drop you generally start from scratch for many production steps.

Jackal is from military. I suggest reading this post.

That is, and a always has been MKEK brother.

They have been spoon fed from the beginning while at the same time fooling the military and being forgiven due to monopoly of the market.

In the military they have a reputation for initially producing high quality trial or test weapons but decreasing the quality once initial testing stopped and the weapon entered mass production.

Nusret Tasdeler banned MKEK weapons from his personal units for this reason. In the HK33 copies made by MKEK between the versions given to the military for testing and the versions fielded in mass production there was a huge change. There was a 60%+ decrease in long term barrel life and the expansion point also dropped a large amount. Also the firing of higher grain 5.56 ammunition had a tendency to cause double feeding. The test rifles had none of these issues. MKEK Semi Auto / Auto weapons until now were essentially poorly made clones.

To be honest I am sorry to say I have no faith in the MPT 76. The possibility of MKEK dropping quality is far too high. There is a reason our special forces are using HK416, HK417, Sig516, M110, G28.

Also, what's your mayor ? Mechanical engineer ?

 

[SouI]

Increasing production does not mean sacrifice of quality. Production steps are standart for a model; you can not change quality unless you change material.

Probably they will increase workhours, increase workers if necessary, may be increase production line.

This is how you increase production rate in heavy industry. Actually increasing production rate by reducing quality is much much much harder to do, generally impossible. Quality drop is generally economic, not quantity based. You need to re-engineer the whole thing for reduced quality, test the whole thing and whole production again, replan the production prdocess. For quality drop you generally start from scratch for many production steps.

Exactly this! Fvck the nay-sayers!

 

[mete]

Jackal is from military. I suggest reading this post.


Also, what's your mayor ? Mechanical engineer ?

Look; I can not defend the quality of MKEK. We all know the reality. I am not commenting on military side, just trying to comment on production side.

Not a mechanical engineer but in multidiciplinary sense I am half engineer. PhD on physics and material engineering as multidiciplinary research. Worked on thinfilms, radiation shielding, molecular encapsulation etc.

No direct industrial production experience but I still know how they work. Not as much as a experienced production side engineer but at least I can talk; because nobody waits for a 10 years experienced engineer to come here and comment. Everyone feels free to talk, so I talk too. Fair enough?

 

[-SINAN-]

Look; I can not defend the quality of MKEK. We all know the reality. I am not commenting on military side, just trying to comment on production side.

Not a mechanical engineer but in multidiciplinary sense I am half engineer. PhD on physics and material engineering as multidiciplinary research. Worked on thinfilms, radiation shielding, molecular encapsulation etc.

No direct industrial production experience but I still know how they work. Not as much as a experienced production side engineer but at least I can talk; because nobody waits for a 10 years experienced engineer to come here and comment. Everyone feels free to talk, so I talk too. Fair enough?

Yeah, fair enough.

I myself 10 years experienced mechanical engineer. I don't work on a factory but made my internship in TAI years ago. So, i know a little bit of the production and i can say many things regarding quality drop in the production process. Like not controlling the worn off cutting tools of the machining. Lousy quality control. Cutting short of the honing process. I can go on.

 

[mete]

Yeah, fair enough.

I myself 10 years experienced mechanical engineer. I don't work on a factory but made my internship in TAI years ago. So, i know a little bit of the production and i can say many things regarding quality drop in the production process. Like not controlling the worn off cutting tools of the machining. Lousy quality control. Cutting short of the honing process. I can go on.

I thought about droping material quality instantly. Do you really think that they would compromise quality to cut time? I mean if a rifle starts to jam at the field because of quality problems soldiers might pay the price with their lives. Would they take the risk? (No sarcasm, I am seriously asking that)

What kind of things can be done to increase production rate? Are there any other possible ways? (ways which are decent or not)

 

[-SINAN-]

I thought about droping material quality instantly. Do you really think that they would compromise quality to cut time? I mean if a rifle starts to jam at the field because of quality problems soldiers might pay the price with their lives. Would they take the risk? (No sarcasm, I am seriously asking that)

Bro, i really don't know. However Jackal is the end user. And he pointed up several things in his post. That's why speacial forces do not user MKEK weapons.

What kind of things can be done to increase production rate? Are there any other possible ways? (ways which are decent or not)

There are actually lot's of ways to increase production. From adding new machinery, hiring more workers, to adding buffer storage areas between the stations...however the problem is MKEK is state owned company. They have "memur" zihniyeti. We don't know how they are going to achieved this.

 

[UkroTurk]

Do Common used assault rifles for ordinary privates have to have high quality or high accuracy or lifespan?
İ think no. E.g. AK 47

If MKEK can produce cheap and reliable in the conditions that TSK requires , for me MKEK fullfits its duty.
Hk416 has refused by Bundeswehr due-to high costs but Turkey can arm its army with MPT .
it has two meaning:
1)Turkey has more defense budget.
2)MPT is cheaper and has less quality than original HK416.
Thus cheap and reliable in some number of lifespan assault rifle is needed for every army.
We dont expect anything more than what MPT is.
İ am for even stamped receiver chep ak clones.

 

[LegionnairE]

Do Common used assault rifles for ordinary privates have to have high quality or high accuracy or lifespan?
İ think no. E.g. AK 47

If MKEK can produce cheap and reliable in the conditions that TSK requires , for me MKEK fullfits its duty.
Hk416 has refused by Bundeswehr due-to high costs but Turkey can arm its army with MPT .
it has two meaning:
1)Turkey has more defense budget.
2)MPT is cheaper and has less quality than original HK416.
Thus cheap and reliable in some number of lifespan assault rifle is needed for every army.
We dont expect anything more than what MPT is.
İ am for even stamped receiver chep ak clones.

Desert Tech MDR, Kel-Tec RFB type bullpups are the future.

7.62 NATO and 5.56 NATO standards are becoming obsolete too. We need to keep an eye on 6.8 SPC like cartridges that can fulfill both roles.

Turkish army right now uses, 5.56x45 NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62x54R, 7.62x51 NATO, 338 lapua and many more.

We need t o standardize this. 6.8 SPC and .338 lapua are enough for all operational units. Rest can be mothballed for mobilization, given to police or donated to Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and other friendly forces.

 

[UkroTurk]

Desert Tech MDR, Kel-Tec RFB type bullpups are the future.

7.62 NATO and 5.56 NATO standards are becoming obsolete too. We need to keep an eye on 6.8 SPC like cartridges that can fulfill both roles.

Unfortunately there is no future for bullp-ups.
Frenchs have given up producing their famas and bought hk416.
Bulp-ups are not reliable and comfortable. At least who would like to listen shooting next to him ear?

Bro 5.56 is enough to kill even russian ak-74 with 5.45 can kill

 

[LegionnairE]

Unfortunately there is no future for bullp-ups.
Frenchs have given up producing their famas and bought hk416.
Bulp-ups are not reliable and comfortable. At least who would like to listen shooting next to him ear?

Bro 5.56 is enough to kill even russian ak-74 with 5.45 can kill

What bullshit argument is this? Of course it's enough to kill, you can kill someone with .22 short or bow and arrow.

Heck, a sword is enough to kill, why bother with gunpowder?

Famas was always shit, so was L85. The bad implementation doesn't mean the concept is bad.