Missing persons: ISI, MI counsel says RAW and Mossad involved

[lem34]

I would also ask the question of those that want to bring ISI to task is that do they not find it strange that the loudest and the same arguments being forwarded here are being forwarded about the ISI by Indians Americans and Israelis. Now Asim I have no doubt about your patriotism but at the same time I am aware that these three countries mentioned are our eternal enemies. These enemies of Pakistan are not normally out to look after our interests. Their actions leave no room for doubt.

 

[Solomon2]

I would also ask the question of those that want to bring ISI to task is that do they not find it strange that the loudest and the same arguments being forwarded here are being forwarded about the ISI by Indians Americans and Israelis...These enemies of Pakistan are not normally out to look after our interests.

Of course that's what the ISI wants to imbue in Pakistani minds! Israel and America are societies that work with militaries and intelligence services under control. Following their model would empower and enrich the millions of Pakistanis but at the cost of de-powering Pakistan's military and intelligence institutions - their personnel would lose all sorts of privileges if not a large chunk of their current earnings.

Of course, I could be lying to you, right?

The solution is to think for yourself and not behave like a puppet on a string for the powers-that-be.

 

[Donatello]

Lawful methods only, except of course as a public conscience if it is collectively decided to overthrow this government, I will be there doing the march.

Usually lawful methods work, from all corners of Pakistan, they are getting "gandha". There will be a time when they would either fix themselves or get thrown in jails.

COAS cannot keep standing down to attacks upon Pakistan and think he is not committing treason in each instance. The noose has tightened around the ISI, President and PM - other cases against Moonis Ilahi, Hamza Sharif also exist. Bass bacha hua hai toh ek General Pervez Kayani. On drones, unko bulawa bhi anay wala hai jald.

Asim,

Have you met any of the field officers from Intel agencies? If you have, they would have told you what they could without compromising, the intense war we are fighting. The taliban/al-qaida are peanuts against a bigger picture. The story in Balochistan is way more complicated than simply missing persons. You take up arms against the state and it's people, you don't deserve to roam freely. Consider this as Pakistani version of the notorious American Patriot act.

 

[lem34]

Of course, I could be lying to you, right?

Wouldn't be the first time American have lied eh? (WMD)

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Why RAW will be involved in petty work like kidnapping?? This looks like pretty unfair accusation..You guys should blame for something more man....

the enemies of Pakistan would insist that criminals and other miscreant elements would be enabled to disturb the peace in the region

in all honesty, the media also tends to exaggerate wildly the "disorder" in Balochistan...most of the disorder is limited to certain areas only, and involving elements of different tribes


it would be a good idea for the enemies to cease their activities; otherwise some kind of retaliation would have to be devised to effectively counter this problem - or at least stifle it.

 

[pak-marine]

these goons should let raw / mossad run the intelligence in this country since these idiots cant do a thing having all the money , support & man power . I hope the court would not stfu instead call seniors of this rouge agency and send them all to prison set an example

 

[Solomon2]

Wouldn't be the first time American have lied eh? (WMD)

If you have to go back nine years to find a lie told by a nation's leaders (and I don't even admit to that) then Americans are truth-tellers compared to just about anyone else you can name, is that not so?

 

[MastanKhan]

If you have to go back nine years to find a lie told by a nation's leaders (and I don't even admit to that) then Americans are truth-tellers compared to just about anyone else you can name, is that not so?

Please elaborate on your comments. Thank you.

 

[lem34]

If you have to go back nine years to find a lie told by a nation's leaders (and I don't even admit to that) then Americans are truth-tellers compared to just about anyone else you can name, is that not so?

No there are lots of American lies but for some reason that one sticks in my mind as it was the start of a disproportionate unjustified attack on Muslim lands under the guise of wot. Mind you I should say war on terror in case some some think to call it a waste of time.

I must say that America often packages its lies as if it was a cheap salesman:

These anti-Syria killer thugs are packaged as "innocent peaceful protesters".

The riots and or unrest in UK and America created not by protesters but criminal and undesirables

Assad's campaign to protect the nation by eradicating these thugs is packaged as "killing his own people".

The disproportionate prison sentence in UK for protesters is necessary to teach criminals a lesson

The death and destruction America spawned in Iraq is packaged as "bringing a better life to the Iraqi people".

The 9-11 attack by Saudi Arabians is packaged a "Taliban terrorist attack".

Even George Bush was successfully packaged as "presidential" and sold to the American people.

And, of course, America has packaged herself as the "Champion of Human Rights".


Oh and last year when Osama was killed the White office turned out several versions of the truth within 48 hours. He was armed-no he wasnt, he used his wife as cover-no he didnt etc.


Back to topic Asim tell me how does it feel agreeing with Solomon on anything. I would gracefully accept that maybe I had erred if Solomon supported my position on the ISI

Oh btw the mitigation that others lie more is no defense

 

[lem34]

Please elaborate on your comments. Thank you.

Sir was that a genuine request. Solomon is an expert at derailing threads without requiring the slightest excuse

 

[lem34]

Interesting last paragraph on America and ISI on this thread

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/166998-pak-us-standoff.html#post2723735

 

[VCheng]

Interesting last paragraph on America and ISI on this thread

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strategic-geopolitical-issues/166998-pak-us-standoff.html#post2723735

You mean this line?

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But the US ability to manipulate Pakistan’s internal dynamics to their advantage remains potent. ............

This line says it all.

As long as that potent ability remains, anything else is secondary.

 

[mdcp]

This is serious situation , our agencies should behave, our police think they above the law even SHO consider himself king of the area, this concept should change and culprate must be punished, there should be no lieniency, we got qualified judges to decide and rule on each case rather than illitrate or under educated people
If raw and mosad is working in our country so y ISI AND MI are sleeping, thats what they paid for to protect people and pakistan
Shame on ur blame

 

[lem34]

You mean this line?



This line says it all.

As long as that potent ability remains, anything else is secondary.

And now lets see what happens next. lets wait..

 

[VCheng]

And now lets see what happens next. lets wait..

The next hearing on the missing persons case before the Supreme Court is due in two weeks from March 19, when the Islamabad Police have to present their investigative report.