Miss Pakistan USA on a mission to change image of Pakistani women

[Tipu7]

I don't care about Khilafat or any wanna be Caliph .. and i keep my point , that system is itself is full of flaws , like others ..
i believe in the betterment of People through a Process of Educating them , no system including Shariah can guarantee the Peace and Justice for others ... I don't believe in becoming dependent on a System , people can and lived without Khilafa system , and today there are many countries who are successful without Shariah ..

In Islam
Caliph is "shadow of God" on Earth.
A person responsible for establishing a moral and welfare state under the guideline of Sharia.
Even a Normal Human is called Caliph of God on Earth. It's written in Quran....... how you missed it while reading tafseers of "multiple" scholars......?

Also Caliphate is respectful and spiritual system and MUST be respected by every Muslim. If some one now a days use the Hash Tag of "Caliph" to get fame and call his crual domain as "Caliphate" then it's his fault. It's not fault of Islam.....

However those Muslims with weak or incompetent knowledge of Islam do trap in such traps....

One side ended up as becoming part of that ceuality, other side ended up in hating and abusing such people.....

Both sides are doomed to fail......!

 

[Rajkumar]

Hahaahahaha,

Lol, i used to think that education %age is increasing in Pakistan then why extremism is on the rise. Looks like my text analysis of this thread give me given below observation.
1. Half of Pakistanis are mullah minded irrespective of education level.
2. People love to point out who is not a good Muslim instead how can they be a good Muslim.
3. Only way to become good Muslim is to tell others to follow their version of Islam.


Just chill guys, engineers , doctors do their part. Same way models do their part, as simple as that. Not every body needs to be sciencedaan.

 

[hunter_hunted]

So by showing the parts of your body you want to change the image of Pakistan women ??? Thanks but no thanks we keep our women as a Queens and Princesses and dont display them for window shopping .

 

[rockstar08]

No you are wrong. We neither reject shariah nor khilafa but we reject an extreme interpretation of it and we cannot allow anyone like TTP, Maulvi Fazal-ullah, Maulvi Abdul Aziz to impose his version us through force. They are not sincere and rather use it to tarnish the image of Islam. When we talk about Shariah, things like social and legal justice system of Islam comes to our minds....not the brutal use of capital punishments to suppress and terrorise people. Not where a poor thieve gets his hands chopped off, but a system where everyone is ensured a certain compensation/income by the state and a labourer gets his wage before his sweat dries, not where hudood is used against men and women rather a system where state helps and supports young people get married according to their choice and live happily and make positive contribution to the society...... a society where a women can teach a class of men like mother of believers Aysha (May Allah be pleased with her).....not a system where baghdadi orders beheading of innocents muslims....rather the system in which the khalifa/Ameer/President is questioned in public for an extra sheet of a cloth.

recently i have been in a Concert in Karachi , and trust me ... the way Karachi girls are enjoying there ... i would say that, there is no way one can do under a Khilafat system .. and trust me Karachi people are amongst the most educated one's in Pakistan , and non give a Sh!t about that system at all.. those who did are either called , Scum bags or mentally retarded ..
welcome to Pakistan of 21st century ..

and as for Khilafat system , you bring Aziz, Bhagdadi or any tom Dick and harry , the basic rules of Khilafa will remain same .. things like women should cover their hairs either they like or not , capital Punishment for Blasphemers , Lashing of men and women on public places , chopping of hands for stealing , chop of heads for killing , 4 witness for rape .. and no DNA acceptance for Rape ...

the System is been altered , Quran does not have much Rulings , there are few but not everything is in Quran .. so you have to see Hadith and Companions .. there are many unauthenticated Hadith , and Companions ruling , i don't consider them as Part of Shariah , because of rulings of Companions be included in Shariah that means Shariah is not LAW of Allah but its a Allah that contains part of ruling from Allah ..
like Bible is altered with words of Companions and Historians and Prophet too ..

In Islam
Caliph is "shadow of God" on Earth.
A person responsible for establishing a moral and welfare state under the guideline of Sharia.
Even a Normal Human is called Caliph of God on Earth. It's written in Quran....... how you missed it while reading tafseers of "multiple" scholars......?

Also Caliphate is respectful and spiritual system and MUST be respected by every Muslim. If some one now a days use the Hash Tag of "Caliph" to get fame and call his crual domain as "Caliphate" then it's his fault. It's not fault of Islam.....

However those Muslims with weak or incompetent knowledge of Islam do trap in such traps....

One side ended up as becoming part of that ceuality, other side ended up in hating and abusing such people.....

Both sides are doomed to fail......!

Ok so in past 3 out of 4 Shadow of God is been Murdered brutally ? you gotta be kidding me right ?

A system where people have no saying , and Caliph will rule its people like a Dictator ? women with almost no rights ...
the Khilafat system is no less than a Dictatorship .. either you like it or not ..

and please tell us , who will choose Caliph in Pakistan ? who will be his shura ? the people of Pakistan are dishonest , liar and uneducated .. you want to bring a system that will ruined the Existence of Pakistan ?

what will be next ? Attack Israel and American for sake of Ummah ? LOL
and who is weak or who is strong , time will tell , i am not weak to fall into the trap of Madarsa Stupid people and wear a suicide jacket to kill innocent to find 72 virgins and jannat

Islam needs to re-evaluate itself .. and it will ... or else the Muslims will keep dying like insects around the world .

 

[Nilgiri]

Appreciate your posts @rockstar08 Very interesting insights, I am learning a lot from this thread.

 

[war&peace]

Scum bags or mentally retarded ..

I can appreciate and applaud them who called you mentally retarded and scum bags; they just recognised you quickly. Salute to them for their kind and their just act. You are a rude person and you rightfully deserved that. I wish them nothing but happiness.

recently i have been in a Concert in Karachi , and trust me ... the way Karachi girls are enjoying there ... i would say that, there is no way one can do under a Khilafat system ..

Only an idiot will judge the aspirations of more than 180 million people from a handful of girls from a certain class. Yes this kind of mingling and debauchery is not allowed. But the girls can sing and dance on occasions of marriage and weddings when surrounded by women only and miscreants like you are kept at an arms length.

 

[rockstar08]

I can appreciate and applaud them who called mentally retarded and scum bags; they just recognised you quickly. Salute to them for their kind and their just act. You are a rude person and you rightfully deserved that. I wish them nothing but happiness.

thanks , and please keep your Love for Khilfat in villages of Punjab or KPK cause in Karachi , humans live , not some blood thirsty monsters ...
talking about rudeness i appreciate that

Only an idiot will judge the aspirations of more than 180 million people from a handful of girls from a certain class. Yes this kind of mingling and debauchery is not allowed. But the girls can sing and dance on occasions of marriage and weddings when surrounded by women only and miscreants like you are kept at an arms length.

dude you live in cave or cavemen's era
as i said , you people need to move to Afghanistan , a shit hole for all wanna be Khilfat lovers
we don't want such scum bags in Pakistan , can't you see how we treat with the last guy who stand against the state ? his name was Mulla Raheed and today he is resting in his grave

 

[xyxmt]

why is everyone off to change Image of Pakistan, what is wrong with this image

I like this Image, Its a image of prehistoric Dinosaur

 

[Tipu7]

Ok so in past 3 out of 4 Shadow of God is been Murdered brutally ? you gotta be kidding me right ?

They were not Gods. But Humans who had to die one way or another. Aren't ''Modern & Educated'' Leaders don't die brutally? USA Presidents are shot in streets, this make Democracy stupid?

A system where people have no saying , and Caliph will rule its people like a Dictator ? women with almost no rights ...
the Khilafat system is no less than a Dictatorship .. either you like it or not ..

Who told you that people have no right in such system............... again........... what ''so many Tafseers'' you have studied??? Mention me names. I wanna check you really worth debating or wasting my time.

and please tell us , who will choose Caliph in Pakistan ? who will be his shura ? the people of Pakistan are dishonest , liar and uneducated .. you want to bring a system that will ruined the Existence of Pakistan ?

Refer to above answer. Just tell me one thing. What are ''periods'' of Caliphate? How they are categorized?? Your question about Establishing Caliphate in Pakistan is creating doubts that you know nothing about such stuff.

and who is weak or who is strong , time will tell , i am not weak to fall into the trap of Madarsa Stupid people and wear a suicide jacket to kill innocent to find 72 virgins and jannat

Islam needs to re-evaluate itself .. and it will ... or else the Muslims will keep dying like insects around the world .

Names of Writers of ''So many Tafseers'' plz.................................................

 

[darksider]

Expected any better from Wahabbis? Best he can do is quote a line from Kitab al Tawhid. That's their Quran. ;p

Why you guys make every thing sunni or wahabi issue?
It's not issue about any sect its about dignity and respect of women and in any sect of Islam these kind of things like miss world are not allowed.
I will be proud if she do any thing in field of science or med or any field which can benifit our country.
And for your info I am not wahabi or sunni I am just Muslim.

 

[Tipu7]

Why you guys make every thing sunni or wahabi issue?

Islamphobia.................................. It has many forms.

 

[rockstar08]

They were not Gods. But Humans who had to die one way or another. Aren't ''Modern & Educated'' Leaders don't die brutally? USA Presidents are shot in streets, this make Democracy stupid?

you know its almost useless to debate with brainless people ..
do American Presidents claim to be righteous one's ? or heavenly fellow ? NO
the Caliphs suppose to be ruling their people fairly as they experience islam first hand from Prophet and yet Uthman was putting his relatives in office in huge numbers , result we all know ..
and as we all know what happen between Ali and Ayesha RA .. so that's too much to say that the System was perfect , now please don't tell e you dont know how system is responsible for the first civil war in Islam

Who told you that people have no right in such system............... again........... what ''so many Tafseers'' you have studied??? Mention me names. I wanna check you really worth debating or wasting my time.

i already told you one , go and read that .. and use your intellect and brain as Allah says on many occasions in Quran .. you have a long way to go Janab

Refer to above answer. Just tell me one thing. What are ''periods'' of Caliphate? How they are categorized?? Your question about Establishing Caliphate in Pakistan is creating doubts that you know nothing about such stuff.

I will tell you right after you answer my question .. you learn how to debate first ...

Names of Writers of ''So many Tafseers'' plz.................................................

Please stop acting like Zarvan 3.0

 

[Zibago]

@Azad-Kashmiri

 

[Tipu7]

heavenly fellow

So caliph were heavenly fellows???
This is what you believe???

i already told you one , go and read that .. and use your intellect and brain as Allah says on many occasions in Quran .. you have a long way to go Janab

I have read enough, want to check how much you know because its you who is making big claims not me. And I want to check.

you learn how to debate first

I have to learn ''how to debate''.............??? I am still using decent language and asking you questions to prove your ''so many Tafseer'' knowledge........... so I don't qualify as good debater?

Please stop acting like Zarvan 3.0

What is Zarvan doing here? He also pin you down frequently? Why are you dragging unrelated person in debate?

yet Uthman was putting his relatives in office in huge numbers , result we all know ..
and as we all know what happen between Ali and Ayesha RA

So now you want to drag un necessary but sensitive discussion here. From which ''so many Tafseer'' you studied about them??

 

[SQ8]

Have to love the number of commentators who otherwise have no clue about their own sisters or immediate cousins but have the time to comment on everyone else's. Essentially, all of them are the proverbial gheebat brigade...
Whatever the woman does in her mind is her business and is for Allah to Judge, unless we Muslims think that we are now equal to Allah in passing judgements....