Mirage planes upgraded at Rs 167 cr per aircraft in 2011: Govt

[janon]

Unlike Rafale, Mirage is tested plate form for IAF, they knew it strength/weakness & can make good tactics for roles in war scenario and have tested strong infrastructure. Indeed Rafale is better choice but for that Rafale needs atleast 5-10 year service in IAF.


Unlike Mirage, mki are more hungry for money. So until a new medium/light plteform doesnt come for service in IAF in # untill than older plateforms are good.


Cost of upgrade is too high, but we are seeing only a end not 2nd end. There is huge structural modification in airframe especially in change in wings and Avionics & architecture will be on next stage, on the of par of 5 gen fighters. Unlike mig29 where we only chose avionics modification.

Can you provide any links for that reddened part? AFAIK, there will be no structural modification, no airframe strengthening, or change to the engine. Only the electronics inside and the radar will be changed.

There will definitely be no change in the wings, which would make it a different fighter altogether, mandating years of flight tests.

Mig 29 upgrade includes new engines AND structural modification to increase internal fuel capacity (and clearly sports a new "hump"), not just avionics. It is the mirage upgrade that will have only avionics upgrade.

 

[janon]

Every time. No full funding before 90, than cut due to economic down in 92, than in 98.

Nope. None of that was due to lack of funds. Funds were dispersed only in the 90s, because that's when the program actually began, although the requirement was stated in the 80s. In 98, we got booted out of the US, and Lockheed Martin kept all the FBW software developed thus far, and refused any further help, after we were sanctioned by the US govt for Pokhran-2. It wasn't money that was the issue, it was lack of foreign expertise - which we overcame magnificently by developing the FBW ourselves.

 

[Jayanta]

Can you provide any links for that reddened part? AFAIK, there will be no structural modification, no airframe strengthening, or change to the engine. Only the electronics inside and the radar will be changed.

There will definitely be no change in the wings, which would make it a different fighter altogether, mandating years of flight tests.

Mig 29 upgrade includes new engines AND structural modification to increase internal fuel capacity (and clearly sports a new "hump"), not just avionics. It is the mirage upgrade that will have only avionics upgrade.

Isn't the cost too high if it would only be an avionics upgrade.

 

[janon]

Isn't the cost too high if it would only be an avionics upgrade.

That's precisely the issue. That's precisely why we are discussing it so much. That's precisely why there is another thread running about the deal "raising eyebrows". We are spending as much money on upgrading 20+ year old aircrafts as it would cost us to buy one brand new MKI, or 2-3 brand new JF-17s. We are paying more to upgrade the bird than we paid to buy it.

Should we do it? I don't know. The IAF seems to think it is necessary. One thing is sure, that IF we have to upgrade them, then there is no choice but to pay this exorbitant amount, because we can't do it ourselves.

 

[Alphacharlie]

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[janon]

What is Idle Engine running speed of Mig 21 Type 75.

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How are these questions relevant to the thread?