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These were saddam pilots who were getting shot by NATO the moment they took off into air so many of them took a low altitude flight to Iran. Imagine if Iran would have revenge the Iraqi invasion by siding with the West/NATO....Iraq would have been crushed with two sided invasion. There was no deal between Saddam and Iran but the commanders encourages the fighters to defect to Iran knowing the idiocy of Saddam and trying to salvage the left over Iraqi air-force. So in the last days of battle..it cant even be called a defection because the commanders would horde the pilots en-mass and tell them to fly ti Iran. The West/NATO did not bother targeting the planes going in Iran direction knowing they were defectors.

Funny how the conduct of Saddam air men and the name "I Ran" match together perfectly?

At the end of war, Saddam started claiming for aircraft he supposedly sent to Iran for protection but such was not the case and Ayatollahs simply ignored Saddam.
 
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This thread should be stickied and used for evidence of Mosa's lack of ability to put 1+1 together and his fantastic trolling activities.
 
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They used to belong to Iraq. Saddam seeing how his Air Force is no match for NATO's sent his planes to Iran with the deal being that they will return them later after the war is over. However Iran broke the deal and refused to return them as a "Compensation" for the war.
Wow I didn't know that. Thiefs..

There was no deal. Saddam's pilots simply had no where to hide since the whole world had turned against them so they used to run away with their planes to the only independent neigbor they had. Saudis at the time had teemed up with US and NATO. So Iraqis had no choice but run to their former enemies. Iran was under no obligation to return the planes with which Saddam used to drop chemical weapons on Iranians. At any rate they had been bought by Saudi funds which Al-Saud had paid Saddam to fight Iran. So they were not Iraqi planes either. They belonged to Saudis and Iran got them for free. And the value of those planes do not even count for even one percent of compensation of the Saddam's invasion of Iran which stands at over one trillion dollars. But do not worry, some day Iranians will recover that amount from you and the Americans the real perpetrators of that war, all with interest and late fines. Just wait.
We are waiting :coffee:.
 
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Not only was there no deal, Iran apparently shot down a few of them before realizing they're not coming in for an attack! Remember this is how uncle saddam started his little adventure with Iran...
 
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They used to belong to Iraq. Saddam seeing how his Air Force is no match for NATO's sent his planes to Iran with the deal being that they will return them later after the war is over. However Iran broke the deal and refused to return them as a "Compensation" for the war.

Nice story. What else they teach you in there? :lol:
There was no deal, the pilots knew they could be no math for NATO so they flied to Iran, they escaped away from confronting the enemy. As easy as that. And we captured them and never returned them. The End.
 
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French-made crap... why would iran still fly with them? Buy some, let's say.... 200 JF17 from Pakistan and bye bye US plans in middle-east :) from what i understand Pakistan-USA retalions aren't exactly superb at the moment and Pakistan need money :)

Just think about it :devil:
 
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There was no deal. Saddam's pilots simply had no where to hide since the whole world had turned against them so they used to run away with their planes to the only independent neigbor they had. Saudis at the time had teemed up with US and NATO. So Iraqis had no choice but run to their former enemies. Iran was under no obligation to return the planes with which Saddam used to drop chemical weapons on Iranians. At any rate they had been bought by Saudi funds which Al-Saud had paid Saddam to fight Iran. So they were not Iraqi planes either. They belonged to Saudis and Iran got them for free. And the value of those planes do not even count for even one percent of compensation of the Saddam's invasion of Iran which stands at over one trillion dollars. But do not worry, some day Iranians will recover that amount from you and the Americans the real perpetrators of that war, all with interest and late fines. Just wait.

You will get that money from us....just tax the walmarts we build there....
 
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French-made crap... why would iran still fly with them? Buy some, let's say.... 200 JF17 from Pakistan and bye bye US plans in middle-east :) from what i understand Pakistan-USA retalions aren't exactly superb at the moment and Pakistan need money :)

Just think about it :devil:
Because wasting money on an airforce any more than you need to is a waste of time and stupid. These planes are perfectly capable of throwing 2000 pound bombs on top of some taliban and his goats on our eastern borders and a bunch of PKK/PJEK and their donkeys on our western borders.

Iraq neither has an airforce nor is it an enemy so we have nothing to worry about. Turkey doesn't have plans to attack Iran any time soon lol. Pakistan the same. The ex soviets are busy doing their own thing (cept Azerbaijan which seems to love to poke Iran for god knows what reason and they can be dealt with, with what we have).That leaves the Arabs and the US. The US is the US and nothing we field can match their airforce so we would be idiots to waste money. The arabs buy guns for the shiits and giggles.

Now let's look at the alternative. Instead of wasting tens of billions on useless jets, Iran is spending billions on missiles and billions more on the space industry. The goal is to have our own GPS sats sent to orbit with our own rockets between 2015-2020. We're doubling the carrying capacity of our rockets every year and we're on track to send 300-500 kg sats. This will give us a potent weapon in the form of accurate ballistic missiles.

Having strategic assets and deterrents are key, not having toys. When a war starts, everybody loses, even the "victor." Spending 10-15% of your GDP on weapons, as arabs do, will bankrupt your nation and still you won't have any means of avoiding any war. Saddam already tried that strategy and failed miserably. In the end his jets were buried in the sand and he was found in a hole.

A country with a deterrent and no army is much safer than a country with a second-rate military and no detterent, which won't stop world powers.
 
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Because wasting money on an airforce any more than you need to is a waste of time and stupid. These planes are perfectly capable of throwing 2000 pound bombs on top of some taliban and his goats on our eastern borders and a bunch of PKK/PJEK and their donkeys on our western borders.

Iraq neither has an airforce nor is it an enemy so we have nothing to worry about. Turkey doesn't have plans to attack Iran any time soon lol. Pakistan the same. The ex soviets are busy doing their own thing (cept Azerbaijan which seems to love to poke Iran for god knows what reason and they can be dealt with, with what we have).That leaves the Arabs and the US. The US is the US and nothing we field can match their airforce so we would be idiots to waste money. The arabs buy guns for the shiits and giggles.

Now let's look at the alternative. Instead of wasting tens of billions on useless jets, Iran is spending billions on missiles and billions more on the space industry. The goal is to have our own GPS sats sent to orbit with our own rockets between 2015-2020. We're doubling the carrying capacity of our rockets every year and we're on track to send 300-500 kg sats. This will give us a potent weapon in the form of accurate ballistic missiles.

Having strategic assets and deterrents are key, not having toys. When a war starts, everybody loses, even the "victor." Spending 10-15% of your GDP on weapons, as arabs do, will bankrupt your nation and still you won't have any means of avoiding any war. Saddam already tried that strategy and failed miserably. In the end his jets were buried in the sand and he was found in a hole.

A country with a deterrent and no army is much safer than a country with a second-rate military and no detterent, which won't stop world powers.

i didnt even read the whole post of yours.. Somehow 2nd sentence made me salivate all over keyboard :devil:

(2 mins later)

Ok now finished reading..Good post:tup:
 
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They used to belong to Iraq. Saddam seeing how his Air Force is no match for NATO's sent his planes to Iran with the deal being that they will return them later after the war is over. However Iran broke the deal and refused to return them as a "Compensation" for the war.

I see someone's been reading too much Wikipedia...
 
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But you have petrol which means almost infinite money, no? Anyway, for a country that is under constant threat of neighbours and super-powers you don't have the luxury of spending all the state money to health and education. Everybody wants that but not here, not in middle east. Look at you, your only ally is Hezbollah and shia arab minorities in neighboring countries, you don't belong to a pact that will back you up in a possible conflict, you are on your own.

About the other topic, I fail to see your point im sorry. :/ You mean that a potent and capable airforce doesn't give you deterrent but ballistic missiles do? if so this isn't deterrent this is threat that needs to be suppressed. And it is utterly foolish and they will bomb those missile sites and you won't see it coming. You can't rely on strategic weapons where tactical weapons are absent.

Therefore in my humble opinion, you need toys, LOTS of toys. You must ready yourselves for defensive conventional warfare rather than missile and guerilla warfare. Unless you do that they will view you as a rogue state forever and you gonna have to spend precious money on military rather than more important stuff.

About US they aren't invincible, they can't deploy all their carriers and aircraft over Iran. If you build an airforce with good electronic warfare equipment and other relevant stuff that could challenge US air-supermacy, that provides a deterrent and keep you safe.

Best Regards...
 
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But you have petrol which means almost infinite money, no? Anyway, for a country that is under constant threat of neighbours and super-powers you don't have the luxury of spending all the state money to health and education. Everybody wants that but not here, not in middle east. Look at you, your only ally is Hezbollah and shia arab minorities in neighboring countries, you don't belong to a pact that will back you up in a possible conflict, you are on your own.

infinite money? lol we're no different than any other country with natural resources. Canada has 10 times the natural resource we have. They have as much oil and a million times more water and farmable land. Turkey has more water than Iran which means more hydro electricity, more farmland, more food... Russia is the same as Canada. Every country is strong in one natural resource.
Saudi Arabia is an exception because they have the luxury of exporting more than 8 million barrels of oil. Iran exports only 2 million barrels of oil and we have 2-3 times the population and we're under sanctions and have been for 32 years, which takes me to my other point.

We are under sanctions and that's damaging our economy. We can't export to Europe and North America and in Asia and Africa the Western nations have made it difficult. We can't import high tech and we can't work with Western companies. Our companies can't get loans from Western banks. In short, everything must be financed by the Iranian government. That's why every penny counts. Iran's economy would experience 9-10 percent growths annually without sanctions so you can see the damage that it's causing.

btw, we actually are spending more money on health and education. For the past 3 decades, our healthcare and education spending have both been higher than our defence spending which has always hovered around 2-3% of GDP. We see no threat from any country around us except the US and we're solely focused on coming up with deterrents against the US.

About the other topic, I fail to see your point im sorry. :/ You mean that a potent and capable airforce doesn't give you deterrent but ballistic missiles do?
if so this isn't deterrent this is threat that needs to be suppressed. And it is utterly foolish and they will bomb those missile sites and you won't see it coming. You can't rely on strategic weapons where tactical weapons are absent.
Define a "potent and capable" airforce. Turkey would get wiped to the floor at a war with the US so even if we had the luxury of buying jets that Turkey has, it would still be a waste of money.

The only country that might have capability of hitting every missile silo is the US. As of now, you would be right, our ballistic missiles wouldn't be that much of a use. But as we increase the accuracy they become more potent. Suddenly, Iran would have the ability to take out every power station and oil field in the Persian Gulf. This would send oil prices to the moon. Even now we could take out every power station in the UAE.

Fateh 110 is a short range missile with a 500 meter CEP. Mathematically 10 of them would gurantee a successful hit on Abu Dhabi's power station. The missile is simple, cheap and efficient. In a few years the accuracy of these missiles would become much better.


About US they aren't invincible, they can't deploy all their carriers and aircraft over Iran. If you build an airforce with good electronic warfare equipment and other relevant stuff that could challenge US air-supermacy, that provides a deterrent and keep you safe.

Best Regards...

The only way you can beat the US in their own game is if you spend the same money as them and have what they have, which is impossible.

Iran isn't looking to beat the US. Iran is trying to make any potential war more costly than they would want and that is the perfect strategy and the only strategy.

Final thought: take Saudi Arabia, would they last more than a week against the Americans? Absolutely not. So what was the point of that 10-15 % annual budget?
 
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