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Ministry of Defence may cancel EoI for $7.5-bn vehicle project
As many as 10 companies were invited in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the futuristic infantry combat vehicle
By: Huma Siddiqui | New Delhi | February 5, 2016 12:37 AM


The ministry of defence (MoD) is planning to cancel and reissue an expression of interest (EoI) for the army’s $7.5-billion futuristic infantry combat vehicle (FICV) programme.

Sources told FE that the MoD has also extended the deadline until later this month as the companies are waiting for the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) recommendations to be finalised, which has recommended a minimum 40% indigenous content as compared to the 30% indigenous content in DPP-2008.

The MoD, which invited 10 companies in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the FICV under the ‘Make’ procedure, specified that two development agencies would be chosen.

Now, even as that competitive selection continues, industry watchers claim that “the decision to extend the date and re-issue the EoI is being done to ensure that the Ordnance Factory Board gets the FICV programme. However, since the OFB has no expertise, it will be allowed to work with a consortium of private companies.”

Industry sources claim that a consortium formed by L&T would include other players who have responded to the EoI. The nine private companies in the race — Larsen & Toubro; Tata Power (strategic engineering division); Tata Motors; Mahindra & Mahindra; Bharat Forge; Pipavav Defence; Rolta India; Punj Lloyd; and Titagarh Wagons.

The FICV programme was approved in 2009, whose EoI was first issued in 2010 but was subsequently cancelled. Last year, the army re-issued the EoI after a gap of three years to 10 Indian companies and had sought responses by mid-January 2016.

Two development agencies (DAs) will be selected and will compete for the $7.5 billion project. The Indian companies have been encouraged to form consortium (maximum five) and also tie up with as many foreign companies to bring home latest technologies on a licence basis to strengthen indigenous know-how.

According to an E&Y report ,‘Eye on Defence 2016’, “Four assessment categories with varied weightage have been listed out to pick these two agencies at the end of EoI stage. The cost of development of the prototype will be shared amongst the MoD and contenders with a 4:1 ratio. DRDO, being a technical evaluation agency, will not be competing/participating as a potential partner for any of the 40 key technologies identified by the army in its proposal. The contribution of the Indian industry to acquire, develop and indigenise critical technologies will be one of the key criteria in the assessment of various proposals. This current issue captures all this a segment wise listing of the probable technology partners for this programme.”

“Indigenisation is one of the important requirements of the program; therefore, parties must agree to collaborate to achieve the respective indigenisation targets for the development phase and serial production phase. A minimum 30% indigenous content on cost basis (excluding taxes, duties and other statutory obligations) is mandatory for the developed prototype of FICV. However, with 30% indigenous content, there is insufficient incentive to indigenise, which should be the primary objective in a ‘Make’ project,” the report states.

Also, the ownership of any intellectual property generated from any joint development will be mutually agreed upon and may be transferable to the MoD, if required for the programme.

Under the ‘Make’ procedure, the defence ministry will choose the best two proposals. Those two companies, and the OFB, will design and develop separate FICV prototypes. The defence ministry would reimburse 80% of their expenses. As a matter of fact, no design of such major platform has been developed in the country and hence, no suitable data on cost of design and development is available for guidance.

The best prototype will then be selected, and the vendor that built it will get a manufacturing contract. About 2,600 FICVs will be needed to replace the army’s old Russian-origin BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles.

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* Firms are waiting for the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) recommendations, which include the recommendation for a minimum 40% indigenous content as compared with the 30% indigenous content in DPP-2008, to be finalised
* The defence ministry, which invited 10 companies in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the combat vehicle, specified that two development agencies would be chosen


First Published on February 5, 2016 12:36 am

http://www.financialexpress.com/art...cancel-eoi-for-7-5-bn-vehicle-project/207497/
 
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Just WTF is happening? WHy are they screwing up every project?
 
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Just WTF is happening? WHy are they screwing up every project?
Cost is being revised upwards of $10 billion to make it more glamorous and make acquisition time more lengthy. Army just decided to follow air force and made some changes to technical specifications. They wanted some thing future proof and hold good against chinese in 2020 some thing like space age material/vehicle which can be ferry troops anywhere ..err including an asteroid claimed by chinese oribiting right above leh.

Rumor has that Elon musk & Jeff bezos have been invited to participate in development process, ambani brothers have asked their chinese partners to prepare a technical dossier to be sent to PMO staking their claim and russians have promised to retrieve 1957 Laika dog capsule to prove a point that they are not behind either .

But dont expect any thing before 2040, you have better chance of going to mars by ISRO shuttle. You want to book a ticket now , I can give 20% discount.:D
 
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Just WTF is happening? WHy are they screwing up every project?
Actually this is an expected move. The private firms naturally want to pursue the FICV under DPP-2016 which MASSIVELY favours private industry R&D as compared to the existing DPP-2013. If the relevent stakeholders (private sector) are delaying their entries waiting for the new DPP then there isn't anything the MoD can do unless they want to go ahead with only DPSUs (shudder).

An EOI is all that has gone out as of now, now RFPs, it is only a very minor delay (months) but will be well worth it in the long term.

From what I head, DPP-2016 could be the sole commendable action of Parrikar thus far, it should be a real game changer and massively boost the Indian MIC.

Thus far, as far as defence is concerned, "Make in India" as part of the NDA's ambitions has been a complete washout- Chinooks and Apaches being bought off the shelf (albeit with Indian components), 36 Rafales to be bought off the shelf, Ka-226T deal absolutely nowhere etc etc.

BUT this is not a clear case of NDA=failures as they inherited a HUGE backlog log of pending procurements that have to be progressed as is. They have barely even moved onto new procurements, they are still working through pending ones- that too at a glacial pace. Any defence deals signed in the next 18 months will likely simply be one they inhereited from the UPA, but I still am sure credit will be taken by the NDA if the deal features any make in India component even though they have had say in this.

I am very eager to see what new procurements under the new DPP that is far more pragmatic and "MII-centric", coupled with the increased spending power seen recently, the new GoI launches of its own from 2017 onwards (they won't be anywhere near done with the existing backlog until then).

We may see some very exoctic deals being made in the future.

@PARIKRAMA @anant_s



+ DUMB TITLE- you can't "cancel" an EOI, this is not a deal, you can only withdraw/re-issue an EOI.
 
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We are going to do more such stuff like reissue of EOI. @Abingdonboy pointed out DPP 2016 is the game changer here

From my internal data sources, let me share few things

See the original offset policy overview is as under
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This is the genesis of DPP evolution in last decade
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Some more old data based out of 2008 timeline
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126 Fighters is not classified as MMRCA owing the reason being i myself was skeptical whether in true essence we could do MMRCA or not and cost at that time itself internal estimation was at $15 Bn (unofficial)

Notice the offset opportunities in value.. Thats $18.4 Bn+


upload_2016-2-5_13-10-18.png

You see the market attractiveness for India in terms of less attractiveness in Avionics, Assembly facility, manufacturing facility composite and metals..

This is what we are targeting now to change as thats the ONLY way for our MIC to credibly come up

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These are the 4 trends which may be used to shape our offset policies.

Those are the selected few slides i could paste here. As you see the offset opportunities versus actual improvement in MIC is non linear in our case. We want to make it closer to a linear and realistic outcome. Thus, the DPP 2016 came out after much more brainstorming with some good solid changes to above mentioned genesis.

Some changes as per news media are
Bouquets, brickbats for new defence procurement norms - The Hindu

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Just WTF is happening? WHy are they screwing up every project?

That's usual BJP. Do ypu know who ordered t90 in huge quantities to kill arjun. Can you tell one Indian weapon system research started during their regime. Now make in India to kill made in and by India. most research will be either to support some private firms or international suppliers .Rest will not have budget.
 
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And soon nal saras, hal ijt, kaveri engine and newer engines, diesel engine for tank, msmc and other guns all will become history. Hope already astra, akash2 Brahms2 etc survive
 
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Ministry of Defence may cancel EoI for $7.5-bn vehicle project

The ministry of defence (MoD) is planning to cancel and reissue an expression of interest (EoI) for the army’s $7.5-billion futuristic infantry combat vehicle (FICV) program.

Sources told FE that the MoD has also extended the deadline until later this month as the companies are waiting for the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) recommendations to be finalised, which has recommended a minimum 40% indigenous content as compared to the 30% indigenous content in DPP-2008.

The MoD, which invited 10 companies in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the FICV under the ‘Make’ procedure, specified that two development agencies would be chosen.

Now, even as that competitive selection continues, industry watchers claim that “the decision to extend the date and re-issue the EoI is being done to ensure that the Ordnance Factory Board gets the FICV program. However, since the OFB has no expertise, it will be allowed to work with a consortium of private companies.”

Industry sources claim that a consortium formed by L&T would include other players who have responded to the EoI. The nine private companies in the race — Larsen & Toubro; Tata Power (strategic engineering division); Tata Motors; Mahindra & Mahindra; Bharat Forge; Pipavav Defence; Rolta India; Punj Lloyd; and Titagarh Wagons.

The FICV program was approved in 2009, whose EoI was first issued in 2010 but was subsequently cancelled. Last year, the army re-issued the EoI after a gap of three years to 10 Indian companies and had sought responses by mid-January 2016.

Two development agencies (DAs) will be selected and will compete for the $7.5 billion project. The Indian companies have been encouraged to form consortium (maximum five) and also tie up with as many foreign companies to bring home latest technologies on a licence basis to strengthen indigenous know-how.

According to an E&Y report ,‘Eye on Defence 2016’, “Four assessment categories with varied weightage have been listed out to pick these two agencies at the end of EoI stage. The cost of development of the prototype will be shared amongst the MoD and contenders with a 4:1 ratio. DRDO, being a technical evaluation agency, will not be competing/participating as a potential partner for any of the 40 key technologies identified by the army in its proposal. The contribution of the Indian industry to acquire, develop and indigenise critical technologies will be one of the key criteria in the assessment of various proposals. This current issue captures all this a segment wise listing of the probable technology partners for this program.”

“Indigenisation is one of the important requirements of the program; therefore, parties must agree to collaborate to achieve the respective indigenisation targets for the development phase and serial production phase. A minimum 30% indigenous content on cost basis (excluding taxes, duties and other statutory obligations) is mandatory for the developed prototype of FICV. However, with 30% indigenous content, there is insufficient incentive to indigenise, which should be the primary objective in a ‘Make’ project,” the report states.

Also, the ownership of any intellectual property generated from any joint development will be mutually agreed upon and may be transferable to the MoD, if required for the program.

Under the ‘Make’ procedure, the defence ministry will choose the best two proposals. Those two companies, and the OFB, will design and develop separate FICV prototypes. The defence ministry would reimburse 80% of their expenses. As a matter of fact, no design of such major platform has been developed in the country and hence, no suitable data on cost of design and development is available for guidance.

The best prototype will then be selected, and the vendor that built it will get a manufacturing contract. About 2,600 FICVs will be needed to replace the army’s old Russian-origin BMP-2 infantry combat vehicles.

War Machine

* Firms are waiting for the new Defence Procurement Policy (DPP) recommendations, which include the recommendation for a minimum 40% indigenous content as compared with the 30% indigenous content in DPP-2008, to be finalised

* The defence ministry, which invited 10 companies in 2015 to submit proposals to develop the combat vehicle, specified that two development agencies would be chosen.

Ministry of Defence may cancel EoI for $7.5-bn vehicle project | The Financial Express
 
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Clearly a case of a PSU bringing it's big fat @$$ into the procurement process to secure the contract. The OFB, like HAL will just not allow the private sector to grow. Goddam idiots!
 
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That's usual BJP. Do ypu know who ordered t90 in huge quantities to kill arjun. Can you tell one Indian weapon system research started during their regime. Now make in India to kill made in and by India. most research will be either to support some private firms or international suppliers .Rest will not have budget.

And soon nal saras, hal ijt, kaveri engine and newer engines, diesel engine for tank, msmc and other guns all will become history. Hope already astra, akash2 Brahms2 etc survive

Save the doom and gloomfor where it is justified, this is just a rejig in order to satsify the private sector.
 
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Save the doom and gloomfor where it is justified, this is just a rejig in order to satsify the private sector.
Let's wait and see if it's going to psu or just initially to psu which will easily be rejected especially when no drdo and then some foreign one citing delay
 
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