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By Chris Lawrence, with reporting from Barbara Starr

[Updated at 9:30 p.m. ET] The U.S. military is ending its policy of excluding women from combat and will open combat jobs and direct combat units to female troops, multiple officials told CNN on Wednesday.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta will make the announcement Thursday and notify Congress of the planned change in policy, the officials said.

"We will eliminate the policy of 'no women in units that are tasked with direct combat,'" a senior defense official said.

The officials cautioned, however, that "not every position will open all at once on Thursday." Once the policy is changed, the Department of Defense will enter what is being called an "assessment phase," in which each branch of service will examine all its jobs and units not currently integrated and then produce a timetable for integrating them.

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The Army and Marine Corps, especially, will be examining physical standards and gender-neutral accommodations within combat units. Every 90 days, the service chiefs will have to report on their progress.

The move will be one of the last significant policy decisions made by Panetta, who is expected to leave in mid-February. It is not clear where former Sen. Chuck Hagel, the nominated replacement, stands, but officials say he has been apprised of Panetta's coming announcement.


"It will take a while to work out the mechanics in some cases. We expect some jobs to open quickly, by the end of this year. Others, like special operations forces and infantry, may take longer," a senior defense official explained. Panetta is setting the goal of January 2016 for all assessments to be complete and women to be integrated as much as possible.

The Pentagon has left itself some wiggle room, however, which may ultimately lead to some jobs being designated as closed to women. A senior defense official said if, after the assessment, a branch finds that "a specific job or unit should not be open, they can go back to the secretary and ask for an exemption to the policy, to designate the job or unit as closed."

The official said the goal remains to open as many jobs as possible. "We should open all specialties to the maximum extent possible to women. We know they can do it."

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Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican who spent six years as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War, said he supports lifting the ban on women serving in combat, pointing out women are already serving in harm's way. But he said the move should not fundamentally change the military.

"As this new rule is implemented, it is critical that we maintain the same high standards that have made the American military the most feared and admired fighting force in the world - particularly the rigorous physical standards for our elite special forces units," McCain said in a statement.

Thousands of women in the military have already found themselves in combat situations, said Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington. Recent wars such as Iraq and Afghanistan have lacked a real front line, and women serving there have come under fire and had to fight back alongside male counterparts, she said.

Murray, who leads the Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee and is a member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, called Panetta's decision a "historic step for equality" that recognizes the role women play in the military.

The Pentagon must notify Congress of each job or unit as it is sent up to the secretary to be opened to women. Then the Defense Department must wait 30 days while Congress is in session before implementing the change.

It is a marked difference from the way the military ended the exclusion of gays serving openly, or the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. In that case, there were no stipulations attached to openly gay service members. There was no staggered approach that integrated openly gay troops into units. It was instead done all at once, across the board.

A senior defense official explained the Pentagon's reasoning behind the different approach: "You're talking about personal choice of behavior versus physical capability. And they were already in the units. If you take a unit that's never had women before, that's quite a culture change."

Another senior defense official said the goal is "to provide a level, gender-neutral playing field."

The American Civil Liberties Union recently filed a federal lawsuit against the Department of Defense, charging that combat exclusion is unfair and outdated, harms America's safety and prevents women from receiving training and recognition for their work. The plaintiffs, who include women awarded Purple Hearts, say the exclusion places them at a disadvantage for promotion.

The ACLU said it is thrilled about Panetta's planned announcement.

"But we welcome this statement with cautious optimism, as we hope that it will be implemented fairly and quickly so that servicewomen can receive the same recognition for their service as their male counterparts," Ariela Migdal, senior staff attorney with the ACLU Women's Rights Project, said in the statement.

Earlier this month, the Army opened the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment to women, and it has begun recruiting female pilots and crew chiefs. The Navy has put its first female officers on submarines in the past year, and certain female ground troops have been attached to combat units in Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 800 women were wounded in those wars, and at least 130 have died.
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Wasn't it open with USMC FET's ?

IT was opened with a lot of avenue before, now just the "Official" announcement just like before when the Homosexual have the Don't ask don't tell policy and now they are fully accepted in the Military.

In my platoon, there were 2 women driver/mechanic attached to our Recon platoon. And although they are indirect combat support, when we drive in ****, they need to follow. There are no indirect support in Iraq and Afghanistan.

By the way, EOD have long accepted Female Bomb Specialist for ages. And EOD is under USSOCOM
 
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Wow!, good to see our women rolling up with USSOCOM guys. And kicking *** together! :)
 
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Wow!, good to see our women rolling up with USSOCOM guys. And kicking *** together! :)

Yeah, some women can fight too.

Was in a sticky situation once. RPG team camp up on the balcony, have to run about 20 meter uncover across the MSR. I was with a soldier and the soldier was in front of me, we keep running and gunning people sicking their rifle up. Not until we are at a corner and i ask that soldier for a Mag, then i know she was a woman.
 
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Yeah, some women can fight too.

Was in a sticky situation once. RPG team camp up on the balcony, have to run about 20 meter uncover across the MSR. I was with a soldier and the soldier was in front of me, we keep running and gunning people sicking their rifle up. Not until we are at a corner and i ask that soldier for a Mag, then i know she was a woman.

Thank to God you're alive. We see the need of this in afghanistan. I heard that it's forbidden for the women to contact with any other men except for their husband. It's really interestning to see our women from the "All-Americans". By the way, where did this happen, Iraq? Afghanistan?

Yeah, some women can fight too.

Was in a sticky situation once. RPG team camp up on the balcony, have to run about 20 meter uncover across the MSR. I was with a soldier and the soldier was in front of me, we keep running and gunning people sicking their rifle up. Not until we are at a corner and i ask that soldier for a Mag, then i know she was a woman.

Thank to God you're alive. We see the need of this in afghanistan. I heard that it's forbidden for the women to contact with any other men except for their husband. It's really interestning to see our women from the "All-Americans". By the way, where did this happen, Iraq? Afghanistan?
 
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Thank to God you're alive. We see the need of this in afghanistan. I heard that it's forbidden for the women to contact with any other men except for their husband. It's really interestning to see our women from the "All-Americans". By the way, where did this happen, Iraq? Afghanistan?

Yeah, when it come down to it, any privilege will be gone, you will have to fight doesn't matter you are a riflemen, cook or clerk. And women are no exception. Granted, some of them cannot perform the task well under pressure, but most of them are professional and well perform under pressure. Just like men, iguess

And we do need those women in the Middle East like Afghanistan and Iraq, cause some area are no go for man and women are needed to smooth things out with local afghan and Iraqi Women and that's the only way we can build the foundation of trust within their community.

Some photo of Women serving in the 82nd Airborne in Action

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I do not know anything about the rules (Male-Female Interaction) in the Marine. It's quite simple in the Army.

As a male soldier, you can touch a female soldier for normal interaction (Like a pat in the back, shoulder or shake hands, well, you get the idea) Anything things else you need to ask the female soldier first. It's even stricter when it come down to a Male Officer and Female enlist. Because of the sexual Harassment things. So basically, for me, i will simply ask, not touch.

A male soldier cannot enter a female barrack unless for official business. So no hanky-panky, if you do need to enter a female barrack, you need to announce your present, wait for 5 second. Then Enter.

It's less strict when it come down to Female entering Male barrack, as a female soldier, you can visit the male barrack, but you also need to announce your present.

I don't recall where the incident took place, it may be somewhere Highway 1 or Route Irish in Baghdad. I just remember we are tasked to clear a mosque and a road side town of spotter, we were getting sproadic accurate mortar fire that day.
 
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Yeah, when it come down to it, any privilege will be gone, you will have to fight doesn't matter you are a riflemen, cook or clerk. And women are no exception. Granted, some of them cannot perform the task well under pressure, but most of them are professional and well perform under pressure. Just like men, iguess

And we do need those women in the Middle East like Afghanistan and Iraq, cause some area are no go for man and women are needed to smooth things out with local afghan and Iraqi Women and that's the only way we can build the foundation of trust within their community.

Some photo of Women serving in the 82nd Airborne in Action

armymil20070615093510ye8.jpg

SPC%20Amy%20Rodgers.jpg


I do not know anything about the rules (Male-Female Interaction) in the Marine. It's quite simple in the Army.

As a male soldier, you can touch a female soldier for normal interaction (Like a pat in the back, shoulder or shake hands, well, you get the idea) Anything things else you need to ask the female soldier first. It's even stricter when it come down to a Male Officer and Female enlist. Because of the sexual Harassment things. So basically, for me, i will simply ask, not touch.

A male soldier cannot enter a female barrack unless for official business. So no hanky-panky, if you do need to enter a female barrack, you need to announce your present, wait for 5 second. Then Enter.

It's less strict when it come down to Female entering Male barrack, as a female soldier, you can visit the male barrack, but you also need to announce your present.

I don't recall where the incident took place, it may be somewhere Highway 1 or Route Irish in Baghdad. I just remember we are tasked to clear a mosque and a road side town of spotter, we were getting sproadic accurate mortar fire that day.

there's no difference :). Damn! Your days in there should be the greatest kickass days I can imagine after 911
 
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