Military coup underway in Sudan

[waz]

They were normalising ties with Israel, might had something to do with it?

 

[Itachi]

The Americans have just snatched Australian orders for nuclear submarines from the French.

Kek

Even then, France and US don't fight each other. Proxies might but who cares about Africans when you're Western heh?

They were normalising ties with Israel, might had something to do with it?

The govt.? Who knows...

 

[MH.Yang]

Africa has been France's playground for a longer time than it has been of the US. Of course they'll try to keep Africa under their grip.

You still haven't answered my question. Where does Australia come in it all??

You can of course be a man and say you mistakenly said that and are sorry for saying it.

You need to understand that "only two months later" and "just ended the failure in Afghanistan". If it weren't for revenge and humiliation, the French wouldn't go so far.

 

[Falconless]

Honestly it’s just one tribal lord replacing another, no real difference.

Had this been an elected government with a popular mandate then there would have been something to talk about.

For instance Sisi’s coup in Egypt was completely unjustified but they west accepted him cause they are hypocrites.

 

[MH.Yang]

Kek

Even then, France and US don't fight each other. Proxies might but who cares about Africans when you're Western heh?


The govt.? Who knows...

You underestimate the moral lower-limit of countries which in France&USA's level. Did you know that the USA and the Soviet Union jointly seized British control of the Suez Canal?

 

[Indos]

This is the result of Civilian power infighting to each other, same like in Egypt and Thailand, military will be tempted to make a coup on this kind of situation. I also hope Indonesians never hate to each other, competition is normal in any democratic country, but no need to be fanatics to our political position, whether right, center, of left.

Choose the leaders by seeing their programs and criticizes them if they make violation but through civic manner and if we fed up with current government policy then change the government through election instead of going to the streets, what ever the result of election, accept it and think long term rather than short term

 

[Falconless]

 

[jamahir]

Honestly it’s just one tribal lord replacing another, no real difference.

Had this been an elected government with a popular mandate then there would have been something to talk about.

Why do you say that an "elected government with a popular mandate" is a truly democratic one ? The modern Western style of governance, with its confusion of multiple political parties, five-yearly elections and a complicated political structure, is simply a dictatorship of the majority who may be wrong and the losing party's supporters may be right. Why should a party system itself exist, whether it be the two-party dictatorship of America, the multiple party system of India and the single party system of North Korea ? People should be able to discuss all issues and ideas directly and make them known directly to the upper level management of the country. The upper level management should have the duty of discussing with the citizens any ideas it has and elicit their opinion. This would be true democracy. Direct democracy which originated in relatively ancient history in Greece through the concept of Demokratia, applied around 2500 years ago but which was flawed because it did not allow women to have their say and maintained a slave system. But an evolved system of true direct democracy existed in the Libyan Jamahiriya until the 2011 invasion. I quote from a thread from 2015 :

Under Gaddafi’s unique system of direct democracy, traditional institutions of government were disbanded and abolished, and power belonged to the people directly through various committees and congresses.

Far from control being in the hands of one man, Libya was highly decentralized and divided into several small communities that were essentially “mini-autonomous States” within a State. These autonomous States had control over their districts and could make a range of decisions including how to allocate oil revenue and budgetary funds. Within these mini autonomous States, the three main bodies of Libya’s democracy were Local Committees, Basic People’s Congresses and Executive Revolutionary Councils.

The Basic People’s Congress (BPC), or Mu’tamar shaʿbi asāsi was essentially Libya’s functional equivalent of the House of Commons in the United Kingdom or the House of Representatives in the United States. However, Libya’s People’s Congress was not comprised merely of elected representatives who discussed and proposed legislation on behalf of the people; rather, the Congress allowed all Libyans to directly participate in this process. Eight hundred People’s Congresses were set up across the country and all Libyans were free to attend and shape national policy and make decisions over all major issues including budgets, education, industry, and the economy.

In 2009, Gaddafi invited the New York Times to Libya to spend two weeks observing the nation’s direct democracy. The New York Times, that has traditionally been highly critical of Colonel Gaddafi’s democratic experiment, conceded that in Libya, the intention was that

“everyone is involved in every decision…Tens of thousands of people take part in local committee meetings to discuss issues and vote on everything from foreign treaties to building schools.”

The fundamental difference between western democratic systems and the Libyan Jamahiriya’s direct democracy is that in Libya all citizens were allowed to voice their views directly – not in one parliament of only a few hundred wealthy politicians – but in hundreds of committees attended by tens of thousands of ordinary citizens. Far from being a military dictatorship, Libya under Mr. Gaddafi was Africa’s most prosperous democracy.

On numerous occasions Mr. Gaddafi’s proposals were rejected by popular vote during Congresses and the opposite was approved and enacted as legislation.

For instance, on many occasions Mr. Gaddafi proposed the abolition of capital punishment and he pushed for home schooling over traditional schools. However, the People’s Congresses wanted to maintain the death penalty and classic schools, and the will of the People’s Congresses prevailed. Similarly, in 2009, Colonel Gaddafi put forward a proposal to essentially abolish the central government altogether and give all the oil proceeds directly to each family. The People’s Congresses rejected this idea too.

For over four decades, Gaddafi promoted economic democracy and used the nationalized oil wealth to sustain progressive social welfare programs for all Libyans. Under Gaddafi’s rule, Libyans enjoyed not only free health-care and free education, but also free electricity and interest-free loans. Now thanks to NATO’s intervention the health-care sector is on the verge of collapse as thousands of Filipino health workers flee the country, institutions of higher education across the East of the country are shut down, and black outs are a common occurrence in once thriving Tripoli.

Unlike in the West, Libyans did not vote once every four years for a President and an invariably wealthy local parliamentarian who would then make all decisions for them. Ordinary Libyans made decisions regarding foreign, domestic and economic policy themselves.

This Libyan system has been adapted in Venezuela. This system should be the one that every human society should use. I describe more of the technical workings in this thread.

For instance Sisi’s coup in Egypt was completely unjustified but they west accepted him cause they are hypocrites.

President Mullah Morsi was the Western governments' darling boy. Sisi began his rule with the consent of the sensible Egyptians who had been terrorized by Morsi's MB goons. There was a people's revolt against Morsi. When the Sisi government arrest Morsi a NATO-supported mullan ( a female mullah type ) from Yemen, Tawakkol Karman, wrote on an American government website that Morsi was "The Mandela of the Arab world".

As part of his MB "Islamization" Morsi started a "pious" TV channel called Maria TV :

When Sisi was given power by the sensible Egyptians he shut down this idiotic channel.

 

[jamahir]

@Brass Knuckles, why did you delete your last post ( about Western-style "democracy" ) which was a good one ?

 

[CatSultan]

The Americans have just snatched Australian orders for nuclear submarines from the French.

Australia is a Chinese puppet not American

 

[MH.Yang]

Australia is a Chinese puppet not American

What?

 

[Falconless]

What?

He’s stuck in 2012

 

[Itachi]

You need to understand that "only two months later" and "just ended the failure in Afghanistan". If it weren't for revenge and humiliation, the French wouldn't go so far.

Lmao.....people on here have suggested much better and more believable reasons...

But you keep going on with your "agenda".