Milgem Corvette vs Type 56

[Zarvan]

second vessel in class, TCG Büyükada (F-512), was laid in September 2008. It is scheduled to be launched in October 2010 and commissioned in 2013.

The first two vessels were built at the Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command and remaining vessels will be constructed at private Turkish shipyards. Turkey-based STM has appointed by the Undersecretariat for Defence Industries (SSM) to procure materials, services and systems for the project.

The Canadian Navy, Pakistani Navy, Ukrainian Navy and navies of South American countries have evinced interest in Milgem class warships.

The Milgem corvette has an overall length of 99m, a waterline length of 90.5m, a beam of 14.4m and a design draft of 3.6m. The displacement of the vessel is 2,000t. The ship can be fully operated at the sea state 5. It can accommodate 93 crew members, including the air crew.

Milgem corvette design

Milgem Project Office (MPO) designed and developed the vessel platform. Milgem's design concept and mission profile is similar to the littoral combat ship (LCS-1) developed by Lockheed Martin. It features a steel hull and fragmentation resistant composite superstructure. The stealth hull design achieves low radar, magnetic, infrared and acoustic signatures.

Milgem corvette missions

Designed as a multipurpose corvette, Milgem can be deployed in a range of missions, including reconnaissance, surveillance, target identification, early warning, anti-submarine warfare, surface-to-surface and surface-to-air warfare and amphibious operations.

Corvette command and control

"The first two vessels were built at the Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command."
The Milgem Class corvette is equipped with the UNIMACS 3000 series integrated platform management system (IPMS) developed by YALTES. The system monitors and controls machinery, auxiliary systems, electrical power generation and distribution.

The main systems integrated in IPMS include a power management system, fire detection system, fire fighting and damage control system, CCTV system and stability control system.

The YALTES combat management system (CMS) includes operator consoles (OPCON) and tactical consoles (TACON), land-based test system units, inter-console units, a commander unit and combat system video network.

Corvette missiles and torpedoes

The corvette is equipped with eight Harpoon Block II anti-ship missiles and a single mk31 RAM self-defence missile weapon system, which can launch RAM anti-aircraft missiles. The Harpoon missile can strike the targets in a 124km range while travelling at a speed of Mach 0.71.

The ship is fitted with two 324mm mk32 tubes to launch mk46 torpedoes. The torpedo has a range of 7,315m and can attack high-performance submarines.

Vessel guns

A 76mm dual-purpose gun is fitted on the vessel. In addition, two remotely controlled 12.7mm machine guns are mounted on the stabilised machine gun platform, which has been developed by Aselsan.

Aircraft helicopter system

The corvettes are equipped with an aft flight deck to allow the operation of a S-70B-2 Seahawk helicopter. The aircraft ship-integrated secure and traverse (ASIST) helicopter handling and tracking system, developed by Curtiss-Wright, will ensure the safe landing of helicopters.

Countermeasures

"Two remotely controlled machine guns are fitted on the vessel."
The Degaussing (DG) system is used as a countermeasure to the threat of magnetic influenced mines.

The other countermeasures include an early warning (EW) radar, ASW jammers and Sea Sentor surface ship torpedo defence (SSTD) system. The SSTD system can detect and locate the incoming torpedoes and decoy or defeat them.

Corvette vessel sensors

The sensors suit includes a SMART-S mk2 search radar, a X-band radar, a fire-control radar, a navigation radar and a LPI radar. A search / attack sonar is also fitted on the vessel.

Propulsion

The corvette is equipped with a combined diesel and gas (CODAG) propulsion system, which consists of a gas-turbine and two diesel engines delivering a power of around 30,000kW. The propulsion system provides a maximum speed of 29kt and an economical speed of 15kt.






TCG Heybeliada (F-511), the lead ship of the Milgem Class corvettes, was launched in September 2008.

Milgem Class corvettes are being built for the Turkish Navy.

The first two vessels are built at Istanbul Naval Shipyard Command.

The S-70B-2 Seahawk helicopter can be operated from the corvette.


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[Zarvan]

• 
  The Type 056 corvette: China's new anti-sub weapon of choice
  
  
  • Staff Reporter
    
  • 2014-01-31
    
  • 13:18 (GMT+8)
  
  
  The Guangzhou, a Type 056 corvette in review. (Internet photo)
  
  While most Western military experts have focused their attention on the production of the Shenyang J-15, China's first carrier-based fighter, and the launch of larger surface combat vessels including two Type 054A frigates and one Type 052D destroyer, the official website of the People's Liberation Army Navy said that the Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvette is in fact the class of ship of which the nation produced the most in 2013.
  
  The Beijing-based Sina Military Network said ten Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvettes had been launched this year to replace the older Type 037 submarine chasers. Mounted with two triple torpedo tubes, the Type 056 is designed to conduct anti-submarine operations within China's exclusive economic zone. Combined with SJG-206 low frequency towed array sonar, the Type 056 is capable of directing anti-submarine helicopters against enemy submarines.
  
  Currently, the Type 056 incorporates a helipad at the stern for a light helicopter. The Sina Military Network stated that the Russian-built Kamov Ka-28 anti-submarine helicopter will be chosen to serve with the corvette in the near future. The Ka-28 helicopter is able to detect submarines at a depth of 500 meters and at running at speeds up to 75 kilometers per hour. However, only the Harbin Z-9E helicopter can be operated from the helipad of the Type 056 before the organic helicopter support facility is mounted aboard the vessel.
  
  The Z-9E helicopter is unable to carry as much anti-submarine weaponry and equipment as the Ka-28, according to the website. The Ka-28 can be armed with one 533 millimeter homing torpedo, one torpedo rocket, ten PLAB 250-120 bombs and two OMAB-25-12D bombs. Unlike the Ka-28, which can detect enemy submarine with its own VGS-3 dipping sonar, the Z-9E cannot carry sonar and weapons simultaneously. For this reason, two helicopters, one for detecting and the other for striking must be dispatched for anti-submarine missions.
  
  The Sina Military Network suggested that the V750 unmanned helicopter designed by Weifang Tianxiang Aerospace Industry Company may be a better choice to operate alongside the Z-9E aboard the Type 056 because the helipad cannot carry two manned helicopters. With a range of 500 km and a speed of 161 km/h, the V750 can increase the combat capability of the Type 56 by two in combination with the Z-9E. Since the V750 cannot carry 324 mm torpedoes due to its small size, and its primary mission is to locate enemy submarines.
  
  Designed as a part of the PLA Navy's anti-submarine warfare system, Sina Military Network said Type 056 corvettes are not likely to be used in independent operations. Instead, they will be used with support from other vessels such as Type 054A frigates or other surface vessels. After the launch of the first Type 056 vessel in 2012, the Bangladesh Navy has already purchased two ships from China. The Royal Thai Navy and the Nigerian Navy are also potential buyers of the Type 056s.
  
  

Well to me surpurisngily enough Turkish Corvette looks better than Chinese one.
@Rashid Mahmood @fatman17
I know the comparison thing is little childish still a little enjoyable also and good education

 

[Sarjen29]

• 
  The Type 056 corvette: China's new anti-sub weapon of choice
  
  • Staff Reporter
    
  • 2014-01-31
    
  • 13:18 (GMT+8)
  
  
  The Guangzhou, a Type 056 corvette in review. (Internet photo)
  
  While most Western military experts have focused their attention on the production of the Shenyang J-15, China's first carrier-based fighter, and the launch of larger surface combat vessels including two Type 054A frigates and one Type 052D destroyer, the official website of the People's Liberation Army Navy said that the Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvette is in fact the class of ship of which the nation produced the most in 2013.
  
  The Beijing-based Sina Military Network said ten Type 056 Jiangdao-class corvettes had been launched this year to replace the older Type 037 submarine chasers. Mounted with two triple torpedo tubes, the Type 056 is designed to conduct anti-submarine operations within China's exclusive economic zone. Combined with SJG-206 low frequency towed array sonar, the Type 056 is capable of directing anti-submarine helicopters against enemy submarines.
  
  Currently, the Type 056 incorporates a helipad at the stern for a light helicopter. The Sina Military Network stated that the Russian-built Kamov Ka-28 anti-submarine helicopter will be chosen to serve with the corvette in the near future. The Ka-28 helicopter is able to detect submarines at a depth of 500 meters and at running at speeds up to 75 kilometers per hour. However, only the Harbin Z-9E helicopter can be operated from the helipad of the Type 056 before the organic helicopter support facility is mounted aboard the vessel.
  
  The Z-9E helicopter is unable to carry as much anti-submarine weaponry and equipment as the Ka-28, according to the website. The Ka-28 can be armed with one 533 millimeter homing torpedo, one torpedo rocket, ten PLAB 250-120 bombs and two OMAB-25-12D bombs. Unlike the Ka-28, which can detect enemy submarine with its own VGS-3 dipping sonar, the Z-9E cannot carry sonar and weapons simultaneously. For this reason, two helicopters, one for detecting and the other for striking must be dispatched for anti-submarine missions.
  
  The Sina Military Network suggested that the V750 unmanned helicopter designed by Weifang Tianxiang Aerospace Industry Company may be a better choice to operate alongside the Z-9E aboard the Type 056 because the helipad cannot carry two manned helicopters. With a range of 500 km and a speed of 161 km/h, the V750 can increase the combat capability of the Type 56 by two in combination with the Z-9E. Since the V750 cannot carry 324 mm torpedoes due to its small size, and its primary mission is to locate enemy submarines.
  
  Designed as a part of the PLA Navy's anti-submarine warfare system, Sina Military Network said Type 056 corvettes are not likely to be used in independent operations. Instead, they will be used with support from other vessels such as Type 054A frigates or other surface vessels. After the launch of the first Type 056 vessel in 2012, the Bangladesh Navy has already purchased two ships from China. The Royal Thai Navy and the Nigerian Navy are also potential buyers of the Type 056s.
  

Well to me surpurisngily enough Turkish Corvette looks better than Chinese one.
@Rashid Mahmood @fatman17
I know the comparison thing is little childish still a little enjoyable also and good education

Milgem is much better than the Chinese one. bigger and stealthier and holds a good weapon paack...

Does PN has any plan to induct ASW ships???

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

I would recommend the Turkish Milgem Class for the PN, if at all we buy corvettes.

It is a basically a frigate (F-22P is 3100 t full load) with Anti-Ship, AA & ASW sensors and weapons and a large flight deck.
CODAG is also a quite efficient propulsion arrangement.

Also these will be based on NATO system, of which we are familiar with and will have to issue of training and operating..
4 of these Corvettes would be a good addition.

 

[Zarvan]

I would recommend the Turkish Milgem Class for the PN, if at all we buy corvettes.

It is a basically a frigate (F-22P is 3100 t full load) with Anti-Ship, AA & ASW sensors and weapons and a large flight deck.
CODAG is also a quite efficient propulsion arrangement.

Also these will be based on NATO system, of which we are familiar with and will have to issue of training and operating..
4 of these Corvettes would be a good addition.

Sir you just said what I wanted to say Sir it has 8 tubes and can fire 8 Anti Ship missiles but does ship carry extra missiles and torpedo's I mean other those which are in firing tubes

 

[Sarjen29]

Sir you just said what I wanted to say Sir it has 8 tubes and can fire 8 Anti Ship missiles but does ship carry extra missiles and torpedo's I mean other those which are in firing tubes

there'll be always ready to load missiles beside the tubes.. once the tube is emptied en automated system will load the tubes with missiles

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Sir you just said what I wanted to say Sir it has 8 tubes and can fire 8 Anti Ship missiles but does ship carry extra missiles and torpedo's I mean other those which are in firing tubes

Normally larger ships have missile & torpedo magazines for reloads.
This corvette must have torpedo magazine, but not a missile magazine.

 

[CHI RULES]

May be Milgem class corvette armed with Chinese Missiles and capable Medium range Air defense may prove to be a good deal for PN, (if some funds are allocated just like Subs instead o upgraded F22Ps).

It looks to be more stealthier, defensive suit and crew of only 93 makes it best choice for PN.

 

[cabatli_53]

Milgem is actually equiped with systems/missiles/torpedoes equal to a modern frigates but It is called as corvette cause of the length and role of ships used by Turkish Navy.

Missile/Torpedo payloads are visible part of Milgem.
Other strategic units are electronic support/attack system called Ares 2N. You can't see much information about it but It has an attacking range over hundred km.

Smart-S mk-2 radar Aselsan produces, has a range of 250km

Milgem corvettes have a torpedo counter measure system called Hizir.

Tübitak developed Sonars offers precision underwater acustic informations. Foreign equivalents always come with restrictions.

Milgem 76mm gun strikes almost 2x longer ranges than export variant equivalents thanks to new generation 76mm fire control system of Aselsan.

Genesis combat management system helps operators to neutralize the threats as soon as possible.

 

[cabatli_53]

MILGEM 3 and 4 will get an upgraded Integrated Platform Management System from Yaltes developed with Tubitak TEYDEB.

Embarkation/Disembarkation of crew are provided by hidden ladders.

Stamp turrets are installed on each sides of ship

Milgem provides special operation craft embarkation/disembarkation capabilities as well.

I hope the images and informations gives enough to enlighten some other points regarding Milgem.

Pakistani officials checking Genesis combat management system on Perry frigate

Pakistani officials checking Milgem corvette during construction

 

[Beast]

A very bad comparison between Milgem and Type 056 corvette. Milgem is more like a frigate with near 50% more tonnage than Type 056. Type 056 is meant to be a cost effective corvette for nation wanting not to burn a hole in their pocket while still carry out patrol and ASW mission near shore that needed to acquire in certain number to effectively cover all its shore 24/7..

China effectively can come up a bigger and more advance one if needed but the problem is end user has the budget for it?

 

[truthseeker2010]

I would recommend the Turkish Milgem Class for the PN, if at all we buy corvettes.

It is a basically a frigate (F-22P is 3100 t full load) with Anti-Ship, AA & ASW sensors and weapons and a large flight deck.
CODAG is also a quite efficient propulsion arrangement.

Also these will be based on NATO system, of which we are familiar with and will have to issue of training and operating..
4 of these Corvettes would be a good addition.

cost will be the biggest hurdle, turkish cost 250 per pop where as chinese is 100 million a piece, so given the resources t-56 will be a better choice.

 

[Zarvan]

cost will be the biggest hurdle, turkish cost 250 per pop where as chinese is 100 million a piece, so given the resources t-56 will be a better choice.

Price can be discussed with Turkey

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

cost will be the biggest hurdle, turkish cost 250 per pop where as chinese is 100 million a piece, so given the resources t-56 will be a better choice.

First, a guided missile ship is not a "pop".
Second, While buying surface vessels, the requirement is kept in mind and not always the price.

There is no comparison of the Milgem class with the T56.

 

[Beast]

First, a guided missile ship is not a "pop".
Second, While buying surface vessels, the requirement is kept in mind and not always the price.

There is no comparison of the Milgem class with the T56.

Pakistanis must be realistic. Price is definitely a factor when selecting military hardware. You do not have deep pocket and China will not give soft loan for a turkish military warship. Turkish economy is not doing very well and I do not expect them to give you long and soft loan.