Mike Pompeo phones COAS Qamar Bajwa, talks about Gen Soleimani’s killing

[AmschelHonestvig]

Basically it means this can happen to Bajwa or any other Pakistani general and there is nothing Pakistan will be able to do about it.

I hope Iran takes revenge for this terrorist act of killing a true hero, not like useless Pakistani generals or the Arab hijray, but I don't see how Iran could react and then get away with it.

If I were Iranian, I would hit Israel for revenge because thats where it hurts the most.

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It means the Indian can now use orecedent of drone to hit Pakistanian General at a Saudi or UAE base in ME without question of full fledged war the spectre of which prevents it.

Although all they really need is bent supreme court Judge to screw the ex-army cheif and drag his body for 3 days like in bushkazi game... seems the Jusdge forgot which game he was refereeing

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This Iranian dude is no angel so whilst its not protested against its not really aoprroriate way to get him - ould smply arrest him at the Bakedad airport which US runs anyway.

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Israel had nothing to do with him - he was beneficial boogey man for Netenayhu relection political milage and also following him to find his other tentacles -

So bad counter move suggested above. re israel.

There might have even been a transactional relationshiop with Israel- maybe there was maybe there wasnt... who knows?

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It was a matter of time - the Iranian is an indian union ally so this dude was an ally of Indian Union RSS -
he wasnt exactly an ally of pakistan or israel.

Neither is pompeo- he is untrustowrhty extra to the Trump administration - like your guy Fawad Ch.
He is wiered Mr Pompeo - a democrat in Republican clothing....

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[Jungibaaz]

Pompeo called the following people about the same topic he called COAS

Yang Jiechi (Foreign Affairs, China)
Dominic Raab (Secretary of State, UK)
Heiko Maas (Minister of Foreign Affairs, German)
Jean-Yves Le Drian (Minister of Foreign Affairs, France)
Sergei Lavrov (Foreign Minister, Russia)

By your logic, all these people (not Putin and not Xi) are the authority in their countries too.

No you’re misapplying the logic, those people are part of the main authority in their countries, they are the relevant ministers who operate under instruction of their PM or heads of state. E.g you mention Dominic Raab, he was picked for the foreign office by Boris Johnson and the PM has the final day. Hence these people are the authority in their countries which is why Pompeo contacts them.

In our case, COAS is contacted not IK, not SMQ etc. Directly to the final authority.

No offense but for a senior TTA that comment was stupid . Just because Pompeo talks to COAS does not imply anything, except the conversation has something to do with military confrontation . IK is strong Candidate and If Army now do anything against the will of Govt or People , than only way would be a bloody coup .. in which PA will lost its reputation , hence Army is no interested in taking lead roles of Govt .

I’m sorry but you are naive here. Let’s just say your experience and opinions are different to mine. Which is why your opinion seems naive to me, and mine seems stupid to you.

It’s probably best Pompeo called up COAS, it’s best to speak to the real boss when shit has hit the fan.

 

[Tom_Cruise]

Basically it means this can happen to Bajwa or any other Pakistani general and there is nothing Pakistan will be able to do about it.

I hope Iran takes revenge for this terrorist act of killing a true hero, not like useless Pakistani generals or the Arab hijray, but I don't see how Iran could react and then get away with it.

If I were Iranian, I would hit Israel for revenge because thats where it hurts the most.

Thankfully you are not Iranian because Israel would hit back a 1000 times harder.

 

[jericho]

No you’re misapplying the logic, those people are part of the main authority in their countries, they are the relevant ministers who operate under instruction of their PM or heads of state.

I think you already formed the opinion beforehand that COAS is the main authority and you are just using this news to support your stance. I already showed you that Pompeo did not contact head of state of every country, so who he contacted does not indicated who is in authority. Feel free to think whatever you want beyond that.

In our case, COAS is contacted not IK, not SMQ etc

The question should be why was SMQ not contacted and COAS was, but just because COAS was contacted does not mean IK is not the final authority

Directly to the final authority.

Yes, so according to this, Yang Jiechi and Sergev Lavrov are the final authority, not Putin and Xi.

 

[Xestan]

Am I the only one who's bumped by US Secretary of State breaking protocol and not calling our FM, but the Army Chief? This must be really embarrassing for the Government. It's not even their Secy. of Defence, but Secy. of State.

Even Secy. of Defence calling an Army Chief would be unusual as his direct line is Defence Minister of our country. But here, Secy. of State, calling Bajwa. Prime Minister must be very embarrassed right now.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

No you’re misapplying the logic, those people are part of the main authority in their countries, they are the relevant ministers who operate under instruction of their PM or heads of state. E.g you mention Dominic Raab, he was picked for the foreign office by Boris Johnson and the PM has the final day. Hence these people are the authority in their countries which is why Pompeo contacts them.

In our case, COAS is contacted not IK, not SMQ etc. Directly to the final authority.


I’m sorry but you are naive here. Let’s just say your experience and opinions are different to mine. Which is why your opinion seems naive to me, and mine seems stupid to you.

It’s probably best Pompeo called up COAS, it’s best to speak to the real boss when shit has hit the fan.

He called Ashraf Ghani as well so I guess Ashraf Ghani now has a better standing in Afghanistan than Imran Khan has in Pakistan. Without knowing what was discussed we cannot say if it was justified. For example it may just be about intel support on potential Irani attacks in Afghanistan etc. For security issues in Afghanistan, Army has always lead and should lead any discussions with USA - the final political decision will come to PM or Parliament, have no doubt about that.
We have a potential World War 3 brewing in our neighborhood and a blood thirsty facist enemy in the east, and Aristotles here are squabbling over non essentials such as “oh loook who received the call from Pompeo, the real boss man!”. Sometimes I think Army should just step back and let the country be screwed, at least in the end these idealistic fetishes would have been met.

 

[Mentee]

He called Ashraf Ghani as well so I guess Ashraf Ghani now has a better standing in Afghanistan than Imran Khan has in Pakistan. Without knowing what was discussed we cannot say if it was justified. For example it may just be about intel support on potential Irani attacks in Afghanistan etc. For security issues in Afghanistan, Army has always lead and should lead any discussions with USA - the final political decision will come to PM or Parliament, have no doubt about that.
We have a potential World War 3 brewing in our neighborhood and a blood thirsty facist enemy in the east, and Aristotles like you are squabbling over non essentials such as “oh loook who received the call from Pompeo, the real boss man!”. Sometimes I think Army should just step back and let the country be fu*kd from the rear, at least at the end when all this is a rubble your idealistic fetishism, such as receiving phone calls, would have been met.

Sherwani is ceremonial like that Jinnah cap and waistcoat in pma

Yep.

Perhaps this needs to be taught in our schools, that global power dynamics, irrespective of the lip service paid to the United Nations and talk about 'democracy of nations' and what not, are basically still those of a Feudal society. The biggest, baddest, strongest Sardar/Zamindar has the power and there is no 'police force' strong enough to stop the Sardar from doing whatever he wants, nor is the Sardar every going to let a police force that strong ever be created.

The best one can do is focus on not attracting too much negative attention from the Sardar and chip away at improving and strengthening ourselves to where we can at least deter the Sardar from attacking us.

That what we are taught in villages but I wonder why it doesn't get apply on Intel relations?

.Umm probably the people think of their leaders/power centres as some sort of messiah carrying the Solomon's ring and shield ? Folks need drive through redemption, quick one!

@MastanKhan

 

[Adonis]

Potential reasons for the call

1. Asking Pakistan to provide logistic support in case of war
2. Secure Nukes/ Nuke Tech. / Scientists...as Iran might attempt to get a device or hijack tech/technologists to make one (already is in advance stages of making a N Bomb)
3. Allow US military aircrafts /Missiles over it's airspace (in case of attack)
4. Secure borders with Iran.
5. Control any Iran support arising out of Pakistan (Shia community)

In return...resumption of military aid to Pakistan.

 

[IceCold]

In return...resumption of military aid to Pakistan.

Than a middle finger popped up.