Mig 35 for Iraq

[Cat12345]

Mig 25 had better combat records during the first gulf war, it forced several F15s and AWACS to abort their mission after firing missiles, the F15s could not get the MIG 25 because of its speed and missile range.

Mig-25's weren't air superiority fighters remember. Mig-25 sure were better in the combat ratio area than the Mig-29. F-15's and AWACS pilots were scared going up against the Mig-25 Foxbat due to the R-40 and R-37. They were extreme long range missiles ready to kick a$$. Wonder why every pilot were scared of the Mig-25? When was there a AWAC's plane forcing to the F-15's to retreat? Many were pilots were when they saw a Mig-25

Mig 29s are inferior to the coalition used aircraft supported by AWACS and Electronic warfare pods, its not fair to compare that, integrate a mig 35 squadron in the US air force and im sure it will do good against their F16s.

 

[TheThreePashas]

Iraq isn't our enemy, erdoğan is our internal enemy. He's picking wrong sides all the time.

Surely he is however, what happens when you need to have an offensive in Iraq and the central government is threatening to try to do something? Obviously we'll take their guys down fairly easy but its a bit aggressive and would make our government think twice about doing it.

 

[Ceylal]

Why did Algeria return a few MiG-29s to Russia? Was it because they were a bit inferior compared with the Su-30s they have in hand?

They were flawed. Body was made from old frames and old parts refurbished to look new. I did not fool the maintenance technicians. Hey were returned and replaced with SU-30s...It took the VVS two years to corrects the flaws before incorporating them in their forces. Even though they were flawed, the ex Algerian MIG29 SMT's were the most advanced aircrafts that the Russian airforce fielded to this day.That was a cold blizzard in the Algerian-Russian relations that lasted quite awhile, until the Russians made amend and jailed the culprits.

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

Iraq isn't our enemy, erdoğan is our internal enemy. He's picking wrong sides all the time.

PM Erdigan with all his goods and bads, played a vital role to boost up Turkey's economy, heavy industrialization, and military machine build up.

However, PM Erdogan couldn't do that on his own, those were the remarkable efforts, aspirations, and strong will been carried out by the Turkish people.

Hopefully, Iraq and Turkey will have better relations in near future.

 

[bdslph]

as i said the Iraq back then did not have the right things for the fight
but during the Iraq Iran was that was perfect match

and also if u put F7 pg or BG1 it cannot fight a Su30 mk
F7 models are good for the Mig21 Bison or any other relative model

a well trained pilot with a latest Mig29 model put it against F16 CD or F18 there is a match
dont bring the Mig29 from 80s or 90s

 

[BDforever]

as i said the Iraq back then did not have the right things for the fight
but during the Iraq Iran was that was perfect match

and also if u put F7 pg or BG1 it cannot fight a Su30 mk
F7 models are good for the Mig21 Bison or any other relative model

a well trained pilot with a latest Mig29 model put it against F16 CD or F18 there is a match
dont bring the Mig29 from 80s or 90s

F-7BG1 is bangladeshi version of A-10 Thunderbolt II

 

[Manindra]

@ptldM3

Mig-29 is a historic failure, as every single time it has faced an F series, it has gone back to what it really is "a pile of junk metal."

Iraqis are better off with getting more vipers instead of buying MIG-35, which no one else is willing to take.

Because F-16 face always heavily downgraded, inexperience pilot , poor maintainence & without AWACS support MIG29.

How about MIG29 locked F-16 during Kargil 1999 skirmish.

If those foces have typhoon but NATO pitted against them with MIG-21

 

[Manindra]

@ptldM3

None of your talk can defy the established record in A2A combat. MIG-29 has always lost to an F series, its like flying a coffin, when you are flying against an F series.

I am not discussing JF-17s here, so please quit trolling. Its better for Iraq to stick to vipers, they are time tested machines, instead of buying another sexed up Mig-29 that no one is willing to buy,not even India, Russia's closest ally.

What is MIG29K

 

[asad71]

I suppose the Americans would encourage allies / proxy regimes to acquire some - only some, new eqpt from China and Russia so that they can study their performance against what America has, and also for own R&D .

 

[The SC]

Since America has recognized its lies and mistakes for starting a war against Iraq, it should replace all Iraqi armaments for free if it wants to be fair and even pay some extras and pay the rebuilding of Iraq, not to mention to repay all the lost revenues from oil, this should be the outcome, and the same for Afghanistan, now that the whole world knows that Israel was behind the New York 9-11 attacks, it is Israel that should pay for those Iraqi and Afghani losses and ultimately be dismantled.
In the reality of today, Iraq should go for Chinese technology like the J-10 -a few hundred- and add some squadrons of JF-17 from Pakistan, that will be enough for fighter aircraft price and technology wise, with highly trained and motivated pilots, Iraq should mostly go for the best air defences available like the S-400, the Pantsir, the Buk and the Tor systems or their equivalents from China, it should also build a sophisticated small navy with a few sophisticated warships and submarines , they can also get these from China, for the land forces it can by from Europe, the US ,Russia or China, some of the best quality tanks and equipments, and it should start relying on itself for producing and ameliorating these weapons in the future, by building a medium sized heavy industry, produce short and medium range ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, and invest heavily in the human factor in education and R&D.

I am saying this because one can talk as much as he wants but the US didn't face Russia or China, it faced some Russian equipments but in an incomplete war system; against let us say Russia, the US would face live satellite imagery sent to the troops on the ground and the air and sea crews of all the American war machine movements, on the tactical scale, the American air force would face the Russian AWACS information technology used by the Russian pilots, the Americans would also face electronic jamming and electronic warfare at a big scale, in other words they will face defeat eye to eye with an eye for an eye.

So it is not rational to talk about American equipment's superiority while it was tested against a small country with no integrated war systems whatsoever, that just came out of a bloody and exhausting war two years earlier and that was sanctioned to the teeth afterwards, it had all the right ingredients including its flat and dry terrain -since mountain warfare was to be tested in Afghanistan- to be a test bed for some western equipments and technologies, to showcase, test and ultimately sell to the naive world where we live.
End of the story.

 

[flamer84]

trolling Trolololololololollololololololo.

Suffice to say that Germany gave them away to the Polish.

The germans loved them,they've said that Mig's are the best invention in the world after sliced bread.The next day they gave them for nothing(as a donation) to the poles.

 

[Tshering22]

The germans loved them,they've said that Mig's are the best invention in the world after sliced bread.The next day they gave them for nothing(as a donation) to the poles.

The Soviet product support was a pain otherwise MiG-29s were some of the finest jets.

We use it in our Navy and they love them even our older IAF versions are pretty good by the tech of those days.

Former East German pilots were the deadliest in the Fulcrums when they trashed NATO pilots after unification of Germany.

 

[Tshering22]

The MiG-35s will be a good choice for the Iraqis considering that they have to first revive their oil-rich economy to return back to normal. Also, it would be important for them to focus on basic defences. While F-16IQs were decided, apparently it would be a better choice for them to go with Russian products as they already are used to using Russian jets.

Once their economy recovers, they will be strong enough wield heavier jets like the Su-35BMs.

Swedish Gripens also make good jets but it is unlikely that they will order from a country that has little geo-political say even if it is a neutral country like Sweden.

I suppose the Americans would encourage allies / proxy regimes to acquire some - only some, new eqpt from China and Russia so that they can study their performance against what America has, and also for own R&D .

Which is natural.

The price of F-16IQs was such a rip-off, I was shocked when the deal was announced.

Iraqis could have easily bought a slightly lesser number of BMs in that price which would have been more effective.

 

[flamer84]

The Soviet product support was a pain otherwise MiG-29s were some of the finest jets.

We use it in our Navy and they love them even our older IAF versions are pretty good by the tech of those days.

Former East German pilots were the deadliest in the Fulcrums when they trashed NATO pilots after unification of Germany.

If the Mig 35 was so good you would have picked it in the MMRCA,but you choose to spend almost double the money for a superior product.Don't say "we wanted to diversify the supplier",Russia never failed you and complete ToT was on the table,you had experience with russian fighter jets.The simple truth is that you wanted a far better piece of equipment.

 

[Tshering22]

@ptldM3

Mig-29 is a historic failure, as every single time it has faced an F series, it has gone back to what it really is "a pile of junk metal."

Iraqis are better off with getting more vipers instead of buying MIG-35, which no one else is willing to take.

When was the last time two jets of the same class fought?

Let me refresh your memory;

the first war game between unified Germany and US allies.

The then defunct East Germans flew the MiG-29s that were transferred to the Luftwaffe collectively.

They trashed all the Fs and European jets in combat.

Also, when was the last time an F series has been used against a well-trained air force by NATO?

Iraqi military of Saddam just gave up without even trying anything real.

Even back in the Vietnam war days, the MiGs flown by Vietnamese pilots thrashed squads of F series of jets. Heard of the MiG Alley? There are dozens of such incidents that NATO will never tell.


The only drawback of Russian jets of yester-years was that they were very, very unforgiving.

They were designed to peak combat performance and little thought was given for pilot fatigue or comfort for that matter.