MiG-1.44 Flatpack, A Perfect Match For Raptor?

[batmannow]

I second that.

ii, Dear IceCold; sir
here comes
Sukhoi PAK

The Sukhoi PAK FA (or PAK-FA) is a fifth-generation fighter which is being developed by Russia. PAK FA stands for Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi (Перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации in Russian) which roughly means Advanced Tactical Frontline Fighter. It is being developed by a consortium of companies spearheaded by Sukhoi OKB, which refers internally to the project as the T-50. The PAK FA is intended to replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker in the Russian Air Force; it is scheduled to have its first flight in 2009[2] and enter service with the Air Force subsequently. The PAK-FA has been designed to compete with the American F-22 Raptor and multi-national F-35 Lightning II

n the late 1980s, the Soviet Union outlined a need for a next-generation aircraft to replace its MiG-29 and Su-27 in frontline service. Two projects were proposed to meet this need, the Sukhoi Su-47 and the Mikoyan Project 1.44. In 2002, Sukhoi was chosen to lead the design for the new combat aircraft. The PAK FA will incorporate technology from both the Su-47 and the MiG 1.44.
The Tekhnokompleks Scientific and Production Center, Ramenskoye Instrument Building Design Bureau, the Instrument Building Scientific Research Institute (Zhukovskiy), the Ural Optical and Mechanical Plant (Yekaterinburg), the Polet firm (Nizhniy Novgorod) and the Central Scientific Research Radio Engineering Institute (Moscow) were pronounced winners in the competition held in the beginning of 2003 for the development of the avionics suite for the fifth-generation airplane. NPO Saturn has been determined the lead executor for work on the engines for this airplane.

The Novosibirsk Chkalov Aviation Production Association (NAPO) has begun construction of the fifth-generation multirole fighter. This work is being performed at Komsomol'sk-on-Amur together with the aircraft plant at Komsomol'sk-on-Amur; the enterprise's general director, Fedor Zhdanov reported during a visit to NAPO by Novosibirsk Oblast's governor Viktor Tolokonskiy on 6 March 2007.

"Final assembly will take place at Komsomol'sk-on-Amur, and we will be carrying out assembly of the fore body of this airplane," Zhdanov specified. The fifth-generation fighter, which will replace the MiG-29 and Su-27 airplanes of the previous generation, was developed by the Sukhoi design bureau.

NAPO Chkalov also has been realizing serial production of the newest Su-34 Fullback multirole bomber since last year. According to the governor, the oblast's government will adopt a complex of measures for supplemental governmental support to NAPO in the very near future. As of today, the most severe problem at the enterprise is personnel. "In the 1990s, many highly-qualified workers were let go under the conditions of a slump, and now time is needed for training new ones. Our assistance will be in the resolution of personnel questions, and also in the provision of lodging for the enterprise's specialists," governor Tolokonskiy said in this connection.

NAPO Chkalov is one of the country's largest airplane-building enterprises and is included in the Sukhoi Holding Company, ITAR-TASS notes.[4]
The MiG 1.44 technology demonstrator with delta wing design
The MiG 1.44 technology demonstrator with delta wing design

On 8 August 2007, Russian Air Force Commander Alexander Zelin was quoted by Russian news agencies that the development stage of the PAK FA program is now complete and construction of the first aircraft for flight testing will now begin.[5]

[edit] Maiden flight

It was announced on 5 May 2007 by Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov that the first flight of the new aircraft was expected in late 2008, almost a year later than originally expected.[6] That estimate has now been superseded by the statement of Sukhoi CEO Mikhail Pogosyan, who stated at the Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace (LIMA) 2007 exhibition in Malaysia on December 6 that the prototype will not fly until 2009.[7]

[edit] Derivative project with India

According to reports in the Indian media, Russia and India had agreed in early 2007 to study a joint 5th-generation fighter project.[8][9] On October 27, 2007, Asia Times quoted Sukhoi's director, Mikhail Pogosyan, "We [India and Russia] will share the funding, engineering and intellectual property [of the new project] in a 50-50 proportion."[10] The Indian version, according to the deal, will be different from Russian version and specific to Indian requirements[11]. Although, development work has yet to begin, the Russian side has expressed optimism that a test article will be ready for maiden flight by 2012 - almost 4 years after PAK FA scheduled maiden flight.[12]

[edit] Brazil in the project

In April 16 of 2008, the Brazilian newspaper, Correio Braziliense,[13] reported that Brazil just joined the PAK FA project to fulfill the failure of Project F-X.[14][15][16][17] Brazil's Strategic Affairs Minister Roberto Mangabeira Unger told reporters the agreement will lead to the development of fifth-generation jet fighters that are built using sophisticated engineering, such as composite materials, stealth technology and advanced radar.[14] The foreseeable total cost for the program is about $20 billion USD, to be divided equally among Russia, Brazil and India, all the participants in the program.[13] The unit cost, lower than those of European fighters of 4th generation, will be approximately $80 million.[13]

[edit] Design

Although there is no reliable information about the PAK FA's specifications yet, it is known from interviews with people in the Russian Air Force that it will be stealthy, have the ability to supercruise, be outfitted with the next generation of air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and incorporate an AESA radar. The PAK FA will use on her first flights 2 Saturn 117S engines (about 14.5 ton thrust each). The 117S is an advanced version of the AL-31F, but built with the experience gained in the AL-41F program. The AL-41F powered the Mikoyan MFI fighter (Project/Article 1.44). Later versions of the PAK FA will use a completely new engine (17.5 ton thrust), developed by NPO Saturn or FGUP MMPP Salyut.

[edit] Specifications

These Specifications are projected under pure estimate, they will be corrected when the correct specifications are confirmed by the maiden flight of the T-50 PAK FA
Image:Aero-stub img.svgThis aircraft article is missing some (or all) of its specifications. If you have a source, you can help Wikipedia by adding them.

Data from Warfare.ru[18]

General characteristics

* Crew: 1 (pilot)
* Length: 22.0 m (72 ft 2 in)
* Wingspan: 14.2 m (46 ft 7 in)
* Height: 6.05 m (19 ft 10 in)
* Wing area: 78.8 m² (848 ft²
* Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,786 lb)
* Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
* Useful load: 7,500 kg (16,535 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,571 lb)
* Powerplant: 2× Saturn-Lyulka AL-41F turbofan
o Dry thrust: 9,800 kgf (96.1 kN) each
o Thrust with afterburner: 15,500 kgf (152 kN) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 at altitude (2,100 km/h, 1,305 mph)
* g-limits: +10 to +11 g (+98.1 to +107.9 m/s², +321.7 to +353.9 ft/s²
* Cruise speed: 1,300 km/h (807.8 mph)
* Ferry range: 4,000 to 5,500 km (2,485 to 3,418 mi)
* Service ceiling 20,000 m (65,617 ft)
* Rate of climb: 350 m/s (68,898 ft/min)
* Wing loading: 470 kg/m² (96.3 lb/ft²
* Thrust/weight: 0.84 (dry thrust)
* Minimum thrust/weight:
o With afterburner: 1.19
* Runway length requirement: 350 m (1,148 ft)
* Endurance: 3.3 hrs (198 mins)

Armament

* Guns: 2× 30 mm internal cannon
* Hardpoints: 8 total, 4 on each side of the aircraft.

Avionics

* Radar: N050(?)BRLS AESA/PESA Radar (Enhancement of IRBIS-E) on SU-35
o Frequency: 3 mm (0.118 in)
o Diameter: 0.7 m (2 ft 4 in)
o Targets: 32 tracked, 8 engaged
o Range: 400 km (248 mi)
+ EPR: 3 m² (32.3 ft² at 160 km (99.4 mi)
+ RCS: 0.01 m² at 90 km (55 mi)
+ Azimuth: +/-70°, +90/-50°
o Power: 4,000 W
o Weight: 65 to 80 kg (143 to 176 lb)

 

[su-47]

Dear su-47;sir
all i wanted to compare it on papers, anyway raptor was a concept before too but its a realty now.
i guss, flatpack will be reality some day! but is the equations on papers are good enough for raptor?

Even the raptor concept changed a lot before entering service. Flatpack wont be a reality. Technology from the flatpack will be incorporated in the PAKFA. But the PAKFA, being a Sukhoi-Mikoyan JV will be something different. It'll definitely be superior to the Flatpack.

what about its? chief designer of MiG MAPO Mr. Belosvet stated that 1.42 would have a greater range than the F-22 and would be more versatile. While F-22 primary task is achievement of the air superiority, the 1.42 will be as capable in strike mission as in air combat. The 1.42, like the F-22, can carry weapons both internally and externally, will be capable of supercruise and powered by trust-vectored control (TVC) engines.


up until late spring of 1997 when it was announced that the funding for the unspecified fighter program is officially terminated. Many analysts suggested that this unspecified fighter program is Mikoyan's Project 1.42. However, at Le Bourge 97 MAPO MIG officials made it clear that the project is far from being dead and it proceeds at affordable pace funded by MAPO.
by the way, its real!
plz try , Mig-44 video on u-tube, if you can understand russian languge?
i hope, you will going to find it exicting

This is old news. This piece of news is from when Mikoyan and Sukhoi were competing to win the Russian 5th gen fighter program. Mikoyan presented the MiG 1.42 and Sukhoi introduced the Su-47. Later the Russians decided that a JV between Mikoyan and Sukhoi, incorporating features from both miG 1.42 and Su-47 would be better. Thus PAKFA was born.

Mr Batmannow, if you are looking for a competitor to F-22, look no further than the PAKFA. Its better than the Flatpack. Only time will tell if its better than the F-22

 

[batmannow]

Russian Low Observability Technologies Data Released

Russian Scientists Created Revolutionary Low Observability Technologies
Moscow, January 20, 1999. Nicolai Novichkov, ITAR-TASS information agency

Research team of the Recearch Center named after M.V. Keldysh has developed new technologies allowing dramatic decrease in aircrafts' radar observability.
Russian approach to low observability (LO) technologies is completely different from US Stealth and offers complete furtiveness of the protected object at a significantly lower price.
An exclusive interview about these technologies was conducted by Nicolai Novichkov, ITAR-TASS with director of the Center, academic of Russian Scientific Academy Anatoliy Korteev.

As academic explained, American approach to LO (Stealth technology) applied on B-2, F-117A, and fifth generation fighter F-22 "Raptor" is based on the following principles.
The airframes of these aircrafts are designed to minimize their radar cross section (RCS), avoid all possible elements of the structure, which could reflect electromagnetic radiation.
In order to minimize reflected radiation radio absorbing materials (RAM) are also applied to the surface of the structure. The main drawbacks of the Stealth technology are its negative effects on the flight and agility characteristics of the stealth aircrafts.

Russian scientists approach the issue from the other direction. They proposed to create a plasma formation around protected object, which prevents radars from seeing it.
Thus,aerodynamical characteristics of the plane itself do not suffer. Without interfereing with technical characteristics the artificially created plasma cloud surrounding the plane guarantees more than hundred times decrease in its observability.

The physics of plasma protection can be described as following. If an object is surrounded by a cloud of plasma, several phenomenas are observed when the cloud interacts with electromagnetic waves radiated by enemy radar.
First, an absorption of electromagnetic energy occurs in the cloud, since during plasma penetration it interacts with plasma charged particles, pass onto them a portion of its energy, and fades.
Second, due to specific physical processes, electromagnetic wave tends to pass around plasma cloud. Both of these phenomenas results in dramatic decrease of the reflected signal.

Static and flight experiments proved the effectiveness of this technology. The first generation devices, producing plasma field surrounding an aircraft and decreasing reflected signal were created in the Center. Later, a possibily of creating second generation advanced systems (capable of not only decreasing reflected signal and changing its wavelength, but also producing some false signals) was discovered.
Such systems significantly complicate determination of actual aircraft's speed, its location and leads to development of completely new approaches to LO provision, unachievable to conventional Stealth technology.
Furthermore, the weight of the systems developed in Russia do not exeed 100 kg, and power consumption ranges from kilowatts to tens of kilowatts.

Advances in development of the third generation LO systems allowed to clear the systems of first and second generation for export, commented academic Anatoliy Korteev.

26/01/99
(c) ITAR-TASS,
by Philip Kaploun

 

[Nishan_101]

HI, i have seen this before but tell me will it have internal weapons bay or it will be 4.5gen jet like rafael& typhoon and when it will be ready 4 operation (2020?)

 

[batmannow]

HI, i have seen this before but tell me will it have internal weapons bay or it will be 4.5gen jet like rafael& typhoon and when it will be ready 4 operation (2020?)

Nishan_101; sir
MiG-1.44 Flatpack, would be a RAPTOR killer ! according to russians, so it would be good to assume that, it would be a 5th gen. fighter .
so same goes for the,internal weapons bay .
i guss, it would be in service in 2014.

 

[Imran Khan]

batmanow there is fighter on earth we can say rapter killer letter after 10 years may be

 

[batmannow]

batmanow there is fighter on earth we can say rapter killer letter after 10 years may be

imran khan; sir
its just US based perceptions, what we pakistanis kept carrying in our minds, when it comes to fighter jets! if you carefully , look for the information about "MiG-1.44 Flatpack", its the best system on the papers till now!
also its RUSSIA , which kept the balance in the air, by introducing very intense hi-tech platforms, scince 1960's.

i think , if we start looking " the other side of coin", we will find better oppoutunities, and progress?

 

[Keysersoze]

Batmannow you might as well be saying that the X-wing or Tie fighter are RAptor killers because they aren't around yet either.
By all reports The Russians are have decided on other aircraft. (A Sukhoi fighter according to RIA Novosti
RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia's fifth generation combat aircraft to fly by late 2008-Ivanov-1.

Another report in Pravda explains why what you are saying is preposterous.


The new fighter jet will be a fundamentally new machine, not just a modernized version of an old pursuit plane

The competition of world's biggest superpowers to develop the fifth generation of pursuit planes still continues. Russian specialists intend to build such a jet, or an aviation complex, as engineers say, in five or seven years. Technical details of such developments are being kept top secret, although Russian aircraft designers decided to expose several solutions of theirs.


Russia's world-famous major aircraft corporations, MiG and Sukhoi were fighting for the right to take the state order for the development of the fighter jet of the fifth generation. MiG specialists chose the 1.44 index aircraft as the prototype of the new jet, whereas Sukhoi decided to base its work on the Su-47 fighter jet. The two planes proved excellent flight performance, but Sukhoi's Su-47 eventually won the contest.

Su-47 “Berkut” (“Golden Eagle&#8221 plane is over 25 meters long; the jet's wingspan is more than 15 meters. The peculiar feature of the Su-47 jet is its forward swept wings, which actually gave him the “Berkut” title. The engine of the plane is another peculiarity of the machine – the engine possesses the controlled traction vector. The traction can be changed not only on the axe of the engine, but at an angle to it as well.

The engine of the Russian company Lulka-Saturn is a unique development of Russian engineers, which does not have any analogues in the world. The engine was originally installed on the Su-27 jet, but was subsequently modified for Su-47.

The Su-47 plane will serve as a base, on which new solutions of the fifth generation plane will be tested. Mikhail Pogosyan, Sukhoi's general director, says that the new fighter jet will be a fundamentally new machine, not just a modernized version of the “Berkut.”

The pursuit aviation has reached the point, at which the speed requires the absolute precision and attention from a pilot, who hardly has any time to process all the information. Sukhoi specialists think that there is no point to increase the speed further on. “We do not plan the development of aviation technology on the continuing increase of the flight speed. The absence of the future speed perfection will be compensated with a complex of plane equipment and missiles. The ultrasonic speed capacity of the missiles will enable the destruction of even remote targets,” Mikhail Pogosyan said.

The controlled traction vector engine of Su-47 will have to be thoroughly modernized. The aerodynamic scheme of Su-47 will undergo fundamental changes as well. Sukhoi's specialists are currently considering an opportunity to use forward swept wings and the front horizontal empennage for the new plane – small wings in the front part of the hull. Mikhail Pogosyan emphasized that the aerodynamic scheme would not repeat the previously discovered solutions: it will be much more complicated.

The 5th generation fighter jet by Sukhoi will be a single-seated aircraft, in which a pilot will have an opportunity to be in full control of the machine with the help of the high-tech equipment.

Russia's Sukhoi to develop 5th generation fighter jet - Pravda.Ru

 

[Keysersoze]

imran khan; sir
its just US based perceptions, what we pakistanis kept carrying in our minds, when it comes to fighter jets! if you carefully , look for the information about "MiG-1.44 Flatpack", its the best system on the papers till now!
also its RUSSIA , which kept the balance in the air, by introducing very intense hi-tech platforms, scince 1960's.

i think , if we start looking " the other side of coin", we will find better oppoutunities, and progress?

Batmannow you forget one thing. The USSR was always one step behind in its technology. And the years after the fall of the Berlin wall merely increased this gap.

It is merely "US based perceptions" As you claim. It is shown in combat performances with the aircraft.

Just because you want something to be true does not make it so.

 

[batmannow]

Batmannow you forget one thing. The USSR was always one step behind in its technology. And the years after the fall of the Berlin wall merely increased this gap.

It is merely "US based perceptions" As you claim. It is shown in combat performances with the aircraft.

Just because you want something to be true does not make it so.

Keysersoze; sir
how are you so, sure about your veiw point that"The USSR was always one step behind in its technology. And the years after the fall of the Berlin wall merely increased this gap"
let me clear, some of mis-perceptions in your mind,after the fall of the Berlin wall , RUSSIA came a lot closer to EUROUPE, also for your kind information! most of the EU depends on RUSSIAN oil supply, even in the event of war with georgia, EU & US stood hopelessly watching, russia setting things in right directions?
right now most of the eroupen nations wanted to have better relations with russia! and the fall of the wall of Berlin, openned new chances of partnerships with russia?
as far as the , performances with the aircrafts concerned, i guss russia is the only nation which , gave the alternative options in the field of militry aircrafts industry to the world.
till now many of its manufactured aircarfts were virtuly good as of thier counterparts of US orign.
mig 25, mig 21, mig 27 were the best of the best ,and provided the perfect security! therefore i am quit sure that russia can match in the terms of technology to the RAPTOR.

Well about"Just because you want something to be true does not make it so"it goes for your own thinking too! you said it all by yourself.
regards

 

[batmannow]

Batmannow you might as well be saying that the X-wing or Tie fighter are RAptor killers because they aren't around yet either.
By all reports The Russians are have decided on other aircraft. (A Sukhoi fighter according to RIA Novosti
RIA Novosti - Russia - Russia's fifth generation combat aircraft to fly by late 2008-Ivanov-1.

Another report in Pravda explains why what you are saying is preposterous.


The new fighter jet will be a fundamentally new machine, not just a modernized version of an old pursuit plane

The competition of world's biggest superpowers to develop the fifth generation of pursuit planes still continues. Russian specialists intend to build such a jet, or an aviation complex, as engineers say, in five or seven years. Technical details of such developments are being kept top secret, although Russian aircraft designers decided to expose several solutions of theirs.


Russia's world-famous major aircraft corporations, MiG and Sukhoi were fighting for the right to take the state order for the development of the fighter jet of the fifth generation. MiG specialists chose the 1.44 index aircraft as the prototype of the new jet, whereas Sukhoi decided to base its work on the Su-47 fighter jet. The two planes proved excellent flight performance, but Sukhoi's Su-47 eventually won the contest.

Su-47 “Berkut” (“Golden Eagle”) plane is over 25 meters long; the jet's wingspan is more than 15 meters. The peculiar feature of the Su-47 jet is its forward swept wings, which actually gave him the “Berkut” title. The engine of the plane is another peculiarity of the machine – the engine possesses the controlled traction vector. The traction can be changed not only on the axe of the engine, but at an angle to it as well.

The engine of the Russian company Lulka-Saturn is a unique development of Russian engineers, which does not have any analogues in the world. The engine was originally installed on the Su-27 jet, but was subsequently modified for Su-47.

The Su-47 plane will serve as a base, on which new solutions of the fifth generation plane will be tested. Mikhail Pogosyan, Sukhoi's general director, says that the new fighter jet will be a fundamentally new machine, not just a modernized version of the “Berkut.”

The pursuit aviation has reached the point, at which the speed requires the absolute precision and attention from a pilot, who hardly has any time to process all the information. Sukhoi specialists think that there is no point to increase the speed further on. “We do not plan the development of aviation technology on the continuing increase of the flight speed. The absence of the future speed perfection will be compensated with a complex of plane equipment and missiles. The ultrasonic speed capacity of the missiles will enable the destruction of even remote targets,” Mikhail Pogosyan said.

The controlled traction vector engine of Su-47 will have to be thoroughly modernized. The aerodynamic scheme of Su-47 will undergo fundamental changes as well. Sukhoi's specialists are currently considering an opportunity to use forward swept wings and the front horizontal empennage for the new plane – small wings in the front part of the hull. Mikhail Pogosyan emphasized that the aerodynamic scheme would not repeat the previously discovered solutions: it will be much more complicated.

The 5th generation fighter jet by Sukhoi will be a single-seated aircraft, in which a pilot will have an opportunity to be in full control of the machine with the help of the high-tech equipment.

Russia's Sukhoi to develop 5th generation fighter jet - Pravda.Ru

Keysersoze;sir

here is some thing, very special for you from ru.com, so it would be good to clear your opinion, about "GOLDEN EAGLE".
i hope, you will find it cool.


S32/37 Golden Eagle



Total number (active): 1+
Inventory:
AF/AD: S-37, 1, no data
Competitor
F-22 Raptor (76) Compare
AF/AD 1

* where available

S32/37 1
F-22 76

Dimensions (m):
- wingspan: 16.7
- lenght overall: 22.6
- heigth overall: 6,4
Wing: 56 m2; 9g
Maximum speed (km/h):
- maz: 2200; M2,1
- at low alt: 1400; M1,12
Weight (kg):
- empty: 24'000
- normal: 25670
- full: 34000
Engine: D30F6/AL-41F
Thrust: 2 x 15'600 kg
Service ceiling: 18000 m
Range (km): 3300
Number of hardpoints: 14: 2 wingtip; 6-8 underwing; 6-4 conformal underfus. + GSh-301, KS-172 (AA, range=400km), RVV-AE, R-77; R-77PD; R-73; K-74, X-29T; X-29L; X-59M; X-31P/A; KAB-500/1500
[crossreferences: armament ]
AA-10A/B/C/D/E Alamo-A/B/C/D/E / R-27R/T/RE/TE/AE

AA-11 Archer / R-73

AA-12 AMRAAMski / R-77 RVV-AE

AS-17 Krypton / Kh-31

AS-18 Kazoo / Kh-59M

AA-8 APHID / R-60

AS-14b Kedge / Kh-29T

Aircraft gun armament

KS-172 RVV-L

S-37 "golden eagle"

The local and foreign press have published articles reporting that in the S-37 Russia has created a "multi-purpose fighter of the fifth generation, combining features of a supersonic super maneuverable aircraft undetectable by radar and infra-red surveillance devices."



Current economic hardships in Russia hamper development of its industry, primarily the hi-tech sectors. However, despite these hardships, Russia retains its posture among the world's leading aircraft manufacturers, owing to the vast potential of the aircraft building industry gained in recent decades. A shining example of this potential was the development by the Sukhoi Experimental Design Bureau (leader of Russia's aircraft building industry) of the S-37, an essentially new aircraft that made its maiden flight on September 25, 1997.

The S-37 is a demonstration-experimental aircraft intended to try out new key technological solutions in aerodynamics, flight control systems, and aircraft flight dynamics. The salient feature of this aircraft is its forward-swept wing (FSW) configuration. The choice of this configuration is the result of the Bureau’s efforts to find new approaches to enhancing aircraft aerodynamics, primarily maneuverability.

The concept of the forward-swept wing configuration has been known since the early 1940s. The JU-287 bomber prototype built in Germany in 1944 made its maiden flight in February 1945. Two fighters, dubbed North American RD-1410 (1946) and Conver XB-53 (1948), were developed in the USA.

The HFB-300, dubbed Hansa, administrative airplane (1963) and RFB, dubbed Dentreiner, were created in Western Germany.

The best theoretical research results regarding aircraft with a FSW configuration were obtained in the USA during development and flight tests of the X-29A experimental aircraft created by the Grumman company.

During the tests held from 1984 to 1989, two X-29A experimental aircraft made several hundred flights, attained a speed of 1.6 Mach, altitude of over 15,000 meters and g-load of 6.4. However, the tests were abandoned because, as some foreign experts maintain, at that time the scientific and engineering foundation to solve the problems of divergence or wing instability that were inherent to aircraft with FSW were not available. The wing's instability can cause its mechanical deformation at high flight speeds and result in its disintegration.

The creation of the experimental S-37 aircraft was based on the creative use of experience gained by the world's aircraft building industries to develop aircraft with a forward-swept wing and effective introduction of advanced technologies in the field of aerodynamics, flight control systems, and construction materials. The potential superiorities of the S-37 aircraft compared to that of aircraft with a straight-wing configuration were provided by higher lifting capability of forward-swept wing due to more favorable flow-around and lower aerodynamic drag, especially at supersonic flight speeds. This provides for better aircraft controllability at low flight speeds, good anti-spin characteristics, reduced stall and landing speeds, and an increased flight range.

The objective of the flight tests of the S-37 aircraft is to prove in practice its anticipated superiorities with a FSW in order to employ them in a new combat aircraft. If the test results are a success, then the aforementioned superiorities, in conjunction with the engineering innovations previously employed by the Sukhoi Bureau in aircraft of Su-27 type (thrust-vectoring engine, integrated system of aircraft and engine control, etc.), will considerably expand the spatial and time range of maneuverability and simplify piloting the aircraft. As a result, the currently "exotic" aerobatic stunts like "Pugachev's cobra," "Frolov's chuckra" and other aerobatic maneuvers may become important elements of pilot training in air force combat units. The attained maneuvering capability of the S-37 aircraft can also demonstrate heavy-duty modes of flight of aircraft that ensure effective performance of the onboard equipment and armaments of future aircraft. In addition, the very creation of this experimental aircraft may give impetus to efforts to create promising high-strength materials to manufacture the forward-swept wing to enhance its strength and rigidity with minimum weights that can be later on borrowed for aircraft of different types.

S-37

It should be noted here that structurally this aircraft's design incorporated stealth-technology elements. The forward-swept wing has a lower radar signature from the front hemisphere. The extensive use of composite materials and installation of air intakes with curved air ducts, and in the future "flat" nozzles, is to contribute to reduction of the aircraft's radar signature. Besides, the aircraft weapon system is arranged in internal compartments, however, the air weapons can be attached to the under-wing pylons, if the need arises.





PAK-FA Sukhoi T-50

Total number (active): 0+
Inventory:
Sukhoi: PAK-FA, 0, in development, to be ready 2007
Competitor
F-35/JSF (0+) Compare


Estimated Performance:
----------------------------------
Dimensions (m):
- wing 14,2; S=78,8 m2
- length 22
- height 6,05
Weight (kg):
- max 37000
- normal 26000
- empty 18500
Fuel (kg): 10300
Combat load (kg):
- max 7500
- AA max 2260 conformal
Speed (km/h):
- max 2100; M2,0;
- rate of climb 350 m/s
- min 0 OVT
- cruise 1300
Alt (m): 20000
Flight range (km): 4000/5500 (2x2000kg)
- supersonic 2500
Runway (m): 350 (w/o OVT)
G-force (g): 10-11
EPR: 0,05 m2
Wing overload (kg/m2):
- max 470
- normal 330
Thrust-to-weight ratio:
- max 0,84
- normal 1,19
Fuel rate: 2,55 kg/km
Flight time: 3,3 h

Engine: AL-41F
- thrust 2x15500/2x9800
- compressor: diameter 932mm, 3 steps
- weight 1350 kg
- pressure increase 4,2-4,5
- life time 4000 hours
- overhaul life 1500 hours
- nozzle:
weight: 380 kg
deviation angle +-16 deg in any direction, +-20 deg flat
deviation speed: 60 deg/sec

Electronics:
N050(?)BRLS AFAR/AESA
Freq: 3mm
Diameter: 0,7m
Targets: 32 (8)
Range: 400 km; EPR 3 m2: 160 km; azimut +-70 deg; 90/-50 deg
Power: 4000 Wt
Weight: 65-80 kg

Armament: ? 2x30mm gun
Hardpoints: ? 8 (conf.), 2*4

Development of Russia's LFI (logkiy frontovoi istrebitel) lightweight tactical fighter has been dramatically accelerated after the Russian Air Force decided its priorities for the next 10 years. Revealed here exclusively as the I-2000 (Istrebitel {fighter} 2000) project, the aircraft is due to become operational in 2005 as Russia's basic front-line fighter. It is also likely to become the leading export product of the Russian aircraft industry. Available information on the I-2000 indicates that it will be closely comparable to the US Joint Strike Fighter, operating in both the air-to-air and air-to-surface roles.

The aircraft comes from a long line of Mikoyan lightweight fighters, such as the MiG-15 and MiG-21. It is about the same size as the MiG-21 (shorter by 1.3m but wider by 4.5m), but noticeably smaller than its immediate predecessor, the MiG-29. Take-off weight is estimated at around 12 tonnes; maximum take-off weight at about 16 tonnes.
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In early 2002 Sukhoi was chosen as prime contractor for the planned Russian fifth-generation fighter is called the PAK FA [ Perspektivnyi Aviatsionnyi Kompleks Frontovoi Aviatsyi - Future Air Complex for Tactical Air Forces]. This intermediate class twin-engined fighter will be larger than a MiG-29 and smaller than a Su-27.

The aircraft will feature a long combat radius, supersonic cruise speed, low radar cross section, supermaneuverability, and the ability to make short takeoffs and landings. In accordance with the technical requirements, the PAK FA will have a normal takeoff weight of 20 tons, which is close to the average normal takeoff weight of the two American airplanes, the F-35 JSF (17.2 tons) and the F-22 (24 tons). The new fighter (a medium version) will have a traditional wing form, though the experience gathered as a result of Berkut's test flights will be taken in consideration when designing the fighter. It is supposed that it will be created using the Stealth technology, and equipped with two AL-41F engines by the Saturn scientific and industrial enterprise, a radar system with an active phased array (to all appearances, it will be produced by the Fazatron-NIIR corporation), and high-precision weapons.

The government commission decided on 26 April 2002 to choose the Sukhoi holding company as the head company to develop and produce the fighter of the fifth generation. The prototype of the PAK FA would take-off in 2006 and that in 2010 the aircraft would be ready for series production. The first deliveries, both for Russian armed forces and for export, would be possible in 2011-12.

The new airplane is being proposed to be brought from the concept design to a prototype series in less than 9 years. Historically, fourth and fifth generation fighters have not been created in less than 15 years. The Russian government has promised to allocate 1.5 billion dollars for the PAK FA through 2010. But the Russian Air Force is receiving less than 200 million dollars a year during this period, and will spend it primarily on other needs.

The prices and sources of funding will determine the destiny of the whole program. To date officials agree that the program will cost $1.5 billion. However, $1.5 billion is the sum needed for creating a new generation of avionics for the fighter (considering the fact that pre-production models of the phased array have already been produced, and will soon be tested). Completion of the AL-41F engine (present readiness is 30 percent) will require, in the opinion of the boss of Rosaviakosmos, 600 - 800 million dollars. Saturn said that launching of production of the AL-41F engine would take $150 million. An improved version of the AL-31F will be used on the aircraft originally (though it is not clear how these heavy motors are reconciled with the concept of a 20-ton fighter). The upgrade of these engines will require expenditures of 1.2-1.5 billion dollars. And finally, designers will have to spend several hundred millions of dollars on creating a new airframe.
According to some reports, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop this fifth-generation fighter, under a scheduled with entery into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between the two countries.
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08.2007 according to VVS CINC PAK-FA project documentation transferred to plant-manufacturer.

 

[batmannow]

Russian Air Force may receive fifth-generation fighter in 2013

16:18 | 07/ 07/ 2008
EN.RAIN.RU



ZHUKOVSKY (Moscow Region), July 7 (RIA Novosti) - Russia is expecting a new fifth-generation fighter to enter service in 2013, the Air Force commander said on Monday.

"We will begin test flights [of the new fighter] in 2009, and hope to receive the aircraft in 2013," Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin said.

The new fighter aircraft, tentatively designated as the Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50, will be built at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft manufacturing plant in Russia's Far East.

The T-50 fighter, equipped with two powerful engines with thrust vectoring, will feature high maneuverability and stealth to ensure air superiority and precision in destroying ground and sea targets.

Some experts believe the PAK FA fighter has been designed to be comparable to both the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

It will eventually replace the MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-27 Flanker fighters in the Russian Air Force and will be exported to other countries.

 

[ejaz007]

How can we comapre a plan on drawing board and one flying. PAf FA is on drawing board or in designing phase while F-22 is acutally flying. Shouldn't we wait till both are flying.

 

[batmannow]

How can we comapre a plan on drawing board and one flying. PAf FA is on drawing board or in designing phase while F-22 is acutally flying. Shouldn't we wait till both are flying.

Dear ejaz007; sir
dear sir, its not that "Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50" is not flying, it is in flying but yes it isnt reach to the production phase. also i am not saying that (Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50) is in production.
Actully the world is eying "Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50" as real challenge to raptor, that is the very reason, why we are having this thread, its not a problum to disscuss it, i dont see any harm in it, scince i had started this thread , i got numbers of posts suggesting to stop it,or accept the raptor's edge, but still i kept this thread running , because it seems a littile bais that every thing from USA , has been declared the best.
which is sort of unfair , i guss!
so its a kind a balancing thread!
thanks for you input.
regards

 

[Keysersoze]

Dear ejaz007; sir
dear sir, its not that "Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50" is not flying, it is in flying but yes it isnt reach to the production phase. also i am not saying that (Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50) is in production.
Actully the world is eying "Sukhoi PAK FA or T-50" as real challenge to raptor, that is the very reason, why we are having this thread, its not a problum to disscuss it, i dont see any harm in it, scince i had started this thread , i got numbers of posts suggesting to stop it,or accept the raptor's edge, but still i kept this thread running , because it seems a littile bais that every thing from USA , has been declared the best.
which is sort of unfair , i guss!
so its a kind a balancing thread!
thanks for you input.
regards

he reason this thread has continued is simple. You are a idiot who has not been keeping up with current events.
People have tried reason (People who know a lot more about aviation than you)And yet you carry on with your nonsense.

Lets take apart your idiocy in concise form shall we? Lets take a look at the glorious SU-47 or Golden eagle as it is known.

Number of production aircraft in Flight -------zero

Problems with the forward swept wing The Americans tested the forward swept wing concept 20 years ago and found it to more awkward due to issues with wing shearing. Despite advances in modern materials and design they still haven't adopted it due to poor performance at high speeds. In fact all the new computer generated images for the PAK-FA DON'T have that design and have a wing design similar to the F-22.

Stealth The SU-47 relies upon a RAM coating (As opposed to the more effective radar absorbing structures) as its primary means of stealth. This is much makes each aircraft subject to production and maintenance quality. Any small problem would greatly decrease the effectiveness of the stealth. And Russian production standards are much looser.

Why would they choose such a method? technological limitations......


Now the T-50 where do we start with that. Well lets start withe following with the highlighted relevant portions to sink into your thick skull.


The government commission decided on 26 April 2002 to choose the Sukhoi holding company as the head company to develop and produce the fighter of the fifth generation. The prototype of the PAK FA would take-off in 2006 and that in 2010 the aircraft would be ready for series production. The first deliveries, both for Russian armed forces and for export, would be possible in 2011-12.

The new airplane is being proposed to be brought from the concept design to a prototype series in less than 9 years. Historically, fourth and fifth generation fighters have not been created in less than 15 years. The Russian government has promised to allocate 1.5 billion dollars for the PAK FA through 2010. But the Russian Air Force is receiving less than 200 million dollars a year during this period, and will spend it primarily on other needs.

The prices and sources of funding will determine the destiny of the whole program. To date officials agree that the program will cost $1.5 billion. However, $1.5 billion is the sum needed for creating a new generation of avionics for the fighter (considering the fact that pre-production models of the phased array have already been produced, and will soon be tested). Completion of the AL-41F engine (present readiness is 30 percent) will require, in the opinion of the boss of Rosaviakosmos, 600 - 800 million dollars. Saturn said that launching of production of the AL-41F engine would take $150 million. An improved version of the AL-31F will be used on the aircraft originally (though it is not clear how these heavy motors are reconciled with the concept of a 20-ton fighter). The upgrade of these engines will require expenditures of 1.2-1.5 billion dollars. And finally, designers will have to spend several hundred millions of dollars on creating a new airframe.
According to some reports, India and Russia have agreed to jointly develop this fifth-generation fighter, under a scheduled with entery into service in 2009. This would be the first such joint development venture between the two countries.
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08.2007 according to VVS CINC PAK-FA project documentation transferred to plant-manufacturer.
PAK-FA Sukhoi T-50 | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces


Now Batmannow please READ the above and tell me where the airplane is? Or the FUNDING for the airplane?

So far funding is only a fraction of that needed. And they are trying to do it in less time for less money.


you are trying to "balance" something that is not equal ERGO the scorn that is being poored upon you. Now take a look at the points I have have made and then tell me counter points If you cannot (ANd you haven't so far) then this thread will be closed because you are wasting everyone's time.