Middleman Michel had commission pact with Dassault as well for IAF’s Mirage

[Abingdonboy]

Kickbacks means that the firm pitching it's product had to pay some money to Indian officials, it's not the other way round as you are thinking, i m saying this the second time:

KILL THE CULPRIT, DON'T KILL THE DEAL.

There isn't even any concrete evidence there was ANY wrongdoing on the Indian side yet pal.

 

[arp2041]

There isn't even any concrete evidence there was ANY wrongdoing on the Indian side yet pal.

I know, but you will be shocked to know that Indian MOD has already started the process to cancel the deal.

Even if there was any wrongdoing, as i said before, I give a F (capital one) when it comes to Indian security. PERIOD.

 

[anant_s]

So every money wasted in Kick backs even selecting best option, means that we have less money for other purpose. How about night vision to so man soldiers. Thousands of Best available Bullet proof jackets to soldiers at high tense regions. 200 crore is a BIG amount.

Problem is we accept it as a part of our culture.

Forget weapons just invest in Psychological Counseling of Soldiers, PTSD is a common phenomenon and it has led to War Crimes in Kashmir.

Does all this give good image to world ?

No matter what, making profit n jeopardizing soldier's life.

You talk of Bofors in Kargil, Indian soldiers didn't have proper boots and clothings.

We have limited budget and we can't afford this Corruption as it affects Security.

I can live with 2G scam, not this.

it is equally criminal to live with or accept anykind of wrong doing. as you mentioned we don't have unlimited budgets for defence and it must be spent wisely to the last penny.
But here when stories are made without any concrete evidence and the already pushed to the corner government forced to put matters of national security on back burner, it hurts.
As i said earlier, the money to buy defence equipment goes from taxpayers pocket like you and me so it pinches all of us. But it ultimately is our security.
The way media has behaved (no all of them) and tried to create stories to increase TRPs and sales, it indeed is shame.

 

[Screambowl]

fed up of our Shopping spree and lack of Infrastructure in the country. BC.. useless!!!!

 

[anant_s]

I know, but you will be shocked to know that Indian MOD has already started the process to cancel the deal.

Are you talking about MMRCA? I hope not.

 

[Abingdonboy]

I know, but you will be shocked to know that Indian MOD has already started the process to cancel the deal.

Even if there was any wrongdoing, as i said before, I give a F (capital one) when it comes to Indian security. PERIOD.

I don't think the MoD will cancel the deal- 3 helos are already in India and the IAF pilots have not stopped their training on them,9 more await delivery and India has already paid for most of the deal. There is a serious sh!t storm going on but I don't think the MoD will cancel the deal based on allegations and without proof. The MoD accepted delivery of the first 3 despite all the allegations which I was surprised about as I thought they'd let the dust settle before taking this step. So I think the MoD will carry on regardless but first let their probe come back with nothing- AGAIN.


If India cancels this deal then this is going to set a CERY dangerous precedent. Defence companies will have no confidence to bid in major deals and the winners of major deals will have no confidence it will stay that way. If the MoD cancels the deal I am telling you this will hurt the Indian military and nation HUGELY.

 

[arp2041]

@KRAIT now i am seriously tense about future of Indian security.......

Imagine, even a well literate guy like you is believing whatever the 24*7*365*Infinity Media is saying & is already making someone culprit before the first hearing of a court has even started......So what will be the assumptions made by common illiterate Indian public?? for them ACM Tyagi should be hanged without even making his point in a court........

These will have serious implications for India in future, where Media is starting to become the Investigator, Lawyer, Judge & Executioner.........

GOD BLESS INDIA!!!

Are you talking about MMRCA? I hope not.

No buddy, AW VVIP chopper deal.

 

[KRAIT]

Media has been sensational. But Govt. is supposed to look after National Security first.

We bought Bofors and this chopper, they are best then why it needed Kick Backs at the first place ?

I pay taxes so that it gets invested in security of our country, not in any Swiss bank.

I don't like media, but I do hate this Govt. for so many corruptions. We would have had $ 60 billion for Defense if we didn't loose money in Corruption.

Think due to corruption, MoD reduces 10,000 Crore. What about these No purchase in acquisition of important weapons ?

@Abingdonboy and @arp2041 Doesn't it affect our security ?

Corruption directly and indirectly affect us. We could ave

 

[Abingdonboy]

@KRAIT this blacklisting and re-tendering policy is screwing over the Indian military. It is because of the Nofors scandals the IA has not inducted arty for over 2 decades! Now if this deal gets cancelled then good luck to the IA,IN and IAF in inducting the 1000+ helos it HAS to in the next 7 years.

Media has been sensational. But Govt. is supposed to look after National Security first.

We bought Bofors and this chopper, they are best then why it needed Kick Backs at the first place ?

I pay taxes so that it gets invested in security of our country, not in any Swiss bank.

I don't like media, but I do hate this Govt. for so many corruptions. We would have had 60 billion $ for Defense if we didn't loose money in Corruption.

Think due to corruption, MoD reduces 10,000 Crore.

@Abingdonboy and @arp2041 Doesn't it affect our security ?

Krait Bofors was another time. The latest defence procurement policies are infinitely tighter than in the past. The fact is the allegations remain allegations and you and the media seem to have already settled on a guilty verdict. What the Media is doing is unconstitutional btw- what happened to innocent until proven guilty?!

 

[KRAIT]

@arp2041 2G scam, Coal Gate, you believe in it ? Exposed by Media.

4,000 Crore worth of corruption in Mining, by that guy in Indonesia. Man caught by Media.

Tell me, if this money is invested in India in defense sector and R&D , wouldn't we have a robust indigenous defense industry which will make us less Vulnerable ?

or any sector


BTW they did exposed first 11 months ago. Why didn't they took action ?

Sorry to say, I agree that Media is creating large hue and cry, but at leas you should look at the Guilty one. The Govt. not the media. You are shooting the messenger.

If govt. can stop a deal because of Media, does that mean Media is controlling the govt. ?

Sorry buddy, I think you are not looking at whole picture. You are just thinking of defense and delay of the weapons ?

Internal threat of Maoists is because there was no developmental activity by Govt in that region that gave so many recruites to Maoists. We lost a chopper and a Pilot. Maoist is creation of Govt. Govt. is the national threat.

Do you know how much effect Corruption have in Crucial things ? I can tell you from personal experience.

 

[dbc]

Nice... we can have Indian version of Al-yamamah scandal!

True, go LCA at least the money, bribes included stay in country.

 

[arp2041]

Media has been sensational. But Govt. is supposed to look after National Security first.

Why else do you think MOD bought AW VVIP choppers on the first place???

We bought Bofors and this chopper, they are best then why it needed Kick Backs at the first place ?

A normal defence deal involves 100s of people involved in it (if not more), obviously MOD/GOI can't have a watch on all of them.

I pay taxes so that it gets invested in security of our country, not in any Swiss bank.

U pay taxes by TRUSTING GOI, have a little faith in it & Indian security is GUARANTEED.

I don't like media, but I do hate this Govt. for so many corruptions. We would have had $ 60 billion for Defense if we didn't loose money in Corruption.

I also hate the Govt., of all the people, you are the one who know this, but when it's Indian national security, i don't differentiate b/w a Congress or a BJP.

Think due to corruption, MoD reduces 10,000 Crore. What about these No purchase in acquisition of important weapons ?

As i said, Kickbacks means foreign firms are giving us money not vice-versa.

@Abingdonboy and @arp2041 Doesn't it affect our security ?

It effects security when b'coz of one person's corruption, we cancel the entire deal & threaten our security........

Imagine, How Privileged are our enemies, for threatening Indian security, they don't have to send an armored division across the borders, just a misinformation to our Media will do.

 

[Screambowl]

all these deals show us that we are technically very behind and do not have a good stand in the world in the terms of technology and some of the people have created very bad image of the country. Why they cannot use Dhruv? Their lives are not much important.

 

[arp2041]

Sorry buddy, I think you are not looking at whole picture. You are just thinking of defense and delay of the weapons ?

Yes, I am Thinking only about our Defence & delay in weapons & God knows i m right.

If you have read the history of last 1000 years of India, you will know that we were always ruled by the outsiders, WHY??

B'coz our defences were WEAK, & it din't need an Einstein to figure that out & attack the Golden Bird of the World, our weak defences has made the once world's most powerful economy a poor nation that is finding it hard to feed it's own nationals.

Even after 200 years of British Raj, 4 wars with our Western Neighbor, 1 war with our Eastern Neighbor, 20+ years of Insurgency & every neighboring country just waiting for the Union of India to become weak, we doesn't make our defences STRONG, than sorry to say but we will be called the biggest IDIOTIC nation the world has ever seen.

If there will be no country left, that what the F will you do of 2G, Coal Gate, CWG scams on the first place???

 

[cloud_9]

Even If someone do got kickbacks, why is it a big deal so much so that we are cancelling contracts & threatening our security??

So if getting kickbacks is alright then there nothing wrong with the other corruption scandals.

You guys are not worried about the defence of the country but you guys are worried about you bragging rights on a freaking anonymous forum.

As a taxpayer I would say screw these sons of b!tches playing around with the taxpayers money.