Microsoft’s default font is at the center of a government corruption case

[abp94]

I don't get why Nooras are so fixated on the Calibri fault, there's a heck of a lot of other things they should be concerned with, this is just one small part in their corruption

 

[VCheng]

Calibiri is default font for MS office, so there will b no way it will ask for substitution. but incase a person is using a font which is unavailable in particular Office version then it will ask to change it with other one or you need to install that font in order to keep that font in that doc.

1. The image of the document being shared has signatures dated Feb 2006 - so the excuse that the fonts might've changed cannot be used here.

2. I highly doubt professional law firms use custom fonts for their legal documents which are unavailable in newer versions of office.

Whatever happens is not the point to begin with, the point is the availability (date) of the font doesn't sit well with the claimed date of the making/signing of the documents.

Lol what? It's more than substantive unless you pretend otherwise. This is not a case of a random font, it's a goddamn proprietary font, and Microsoft had certain things in mind for it when they started pushing it to users.

Please only reply to this post with a font that will be commercially available in 2019.

Document is signed witnessed and dated Feb 2006

Please my post above regarding Calibri's history.

 

[friendly_troll96]

Please, talk with facts. Calibri font was available in 2005. But, please don't call me a noora, pleaseee..

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@Syed.Ali.Haider (FYI sir)
You can search for yourself, but all the results are going to come up from recent time, so restrict your search to the year 2005 ( you can do that on Google from tools button).

or use the link below to search
https://www.google.com/search?q=`calibri.ttf&num=50&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:31/1/2007&tbm=#tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:31/1/2007&q=calibri.ttf

the github link takes to EvanPurkhiser page and his OLDEST gist is only 6 year old.

 

[Awi]

Calibri was designed in 2002, but it was based on work done several years earlier:

https://www.fonts.com/font/microsoft-corporation/calibri/story

It was distributed by Microsoft much later, but it was designed to be generated as a TrueType font with several Desktop Publishing programs in widespread use before MS Office became powerful enough to replace them, notably Corel Ventura, which was originally created by Xerox. Once the TTF file had been generated, it could be installed in any other Windows system, subject to a 64k limit for icons and graphic elements in the older versions.

The font issue is much ado about not much.

As I said before, the other issues raised are more substantive.




Please see my post above.

I am not the person to jump into political talk, and I sure am not saying anything about any other issue. I just found this "Font claim" interesting, and didn't see you making any follow up post after your first post on this thread, so thought maybe you are busy or don't have time, hence mentioned you (just an FYI) .

 

[The Accountant]

What happens to font selections if an old MS Office document is printed years later on a later version of MS Office? The date of the document is better ascertained by other means, including the UID.

this is one of the many procedures forensic auditors apply to identify the authenticity of document ... If you can achieve performance of engine via tunning you dont go for overhaul .. So if it is already established via simple means that age of document cannot be earlier than 2007 then there is no need to apply any other process ..

He is an expert and he knows what he is saying .... Ok lets put it this way ,,, you can now check the font but had it been a chemical test by same expert then you would have been relying just on his statement so why not now ?

 

[VCheng]

I am not the person to jump into political talk, and I sure am not saying anything about any other issue. I just found this "Font claim" interesting, and didn't see you making any follow up post after your first post on this thread, so thought maybe you are busy or don't have time, hence mentioned you (just an FYI) .

To me, the political aspects do not matter, but the technical aspects and the conclusions based off them must be robust for the process to be credible.

this is one of the many procedures forensic auditors apply to identify the authenticity of document ... If you can achieve performance of engine via tunning you dont go for overhaul .. So if it is already established via simple means that age of document cannot be earlier than 2007 then there is no need to apply any other process ..

He is an expert and he knows what he is saying .... Ok lets put it this way ,,, you can now check the font but had it been a chemical test by same expert then you would have been relying just on his statement so why not now ?

The font was available as a TTF file for many years before 2007, please see my post above.

 

[friendly_troll96]

Did JIT receive the soft copy of document or hard copy ,How it is checked if the copy was Hard ? Any one

easy peasy. scan it and use any guess-font-from-picture software. btw experts can tell what font it is from a mile.

 

[abp94]

To me, the political aspects do not matter, but the technical aspects and the conclusions based off them must be robust for the process to be credible.



The font was available as a TTF file for many years before 2007, please see my post above.

Thing is, no reputed firm is going to use something like that on their legal documents.

 

[VCheng]

I don't get why Nooras are so fixated on the Calibri fault, there's a heck of a lot of other things they should be concerned with, this is just one small part in their corruption

The quality of the technical analysis determines the robustness of the conclusions drawn off of them.

 

[wali87]

So if the font was available in 2005 and the document printed in 2007, what's the problem here. Guys can someone please elaborate on what's up with this font fiasco? I'm really quite confused.

 

[VCheng]

Thing is, no reputed firm is going to use something like that on their legal documents.

That is an assumption. The fact is the Calibri TTF files pre-date the document by several years.

 

[abp94]

That is an assumption. The fact is the Calibri TTF files pre-date the document by several years.

It is a very sound assumption. Maryam Nawaz would have to be the unluckiest person in the world for it to be untrue

Furthermore, it was designed in 2004, and beta versions were released to those testing MS Office around 2005.

The idea of any firm using a beta version of Office to deal with financial documents is not just ludicrous, it's downright impossible. Many firms are still running on variants on XP........ the idea of a firm adopting technology, and that too Beta versions of it is not even feasible

 

[The Accountant]

So now gogle search has become authentic ?

Bhai tm jis terhan ka page bolo gy google search per create kerny ka i will create it for you :p

Koi acha evidence laoo .. Microsoft is saying we launch it commercialy in 2007 and you are showing it in 2005

Please, talk with facts. Calibri font was available in 2005. But, please don't call me a noora, pleaseee..

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@Syed.Ali.Haider (FYI sir)
You can search for yourself, but all the results are going to come up from recent time, so restrict your search to the year 2005 ( you can do that on Google from tools button).

or use the link below to search
https://www.google.com/search?q=`calibri.ttf&num=50&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:31/1/2007&tbm=#tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:31/1/2007&q=calibri.ttf

 

[VCheng]

It is a very sound assumption. Maryam Nawaz would have to be the unluckiest person in the world for it to be untrue

Furthermore, it was designed in 2004, and beta versions were released to those testing MS Office around 2005.

The idea of any firm using a beta version of Office to deal with financial documents is not just ludicrous, it's downright impossible. Many firms are still running on variants on XP........ the idea of a firm adopting technology, and that too Beta versions of it is not even feasible

Sir, it was designed in 2002, and the TTF files were available years before the document was written. TTF files were installed directly into Windows for use by all applications. It became part of MS Office distributions much later, but that does not preclude its use prior to that date. Those are facts. An assumption remains just that - an assumption.

 

[Secret Service]

Please, talk with facts. Calibri font was available in 2005. But, please don't call me a noora, pleaseee..

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@Syed.Ali.Haider (FYI sir)
You can search for yourself, but all the results are going to come up from recent time, so restrict your search to the year 2005 ( you can do that on Google from tools button).

or use the link below to search
https://www.google.com/search?q=`calibri.ttf&num=50&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:31/1/2007&tbm=#tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2005,cd_max:31/1/2007&q=calibri.ttf

but it was not Microsoft default fonts then. somebody has to download and select the font for drafting.