Mian Atif, PTI and Oriya Maqbol Jaan..

[El Sidd]

What's the relevance of this question to my argument?

It is if you chose to think about it.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Sticking to the decision could lead to chaos that would create more trouble

It has to be done sometime, this is an extremely small step, it has nothing to do with changing the status of Ahmadi's. Are we going to stop hiring Ahmadi's to work in businesses, government etc etc? Like Fawad Chaudhry said, do you expect us to kick millions of Pakistani Ahmadi's into the Arabian Sea and out of the country?

There can be no backing down on this issue without serious repercussions down the road.

It is if you chose to think about it.

I choose to have you explain it since I don't see the relevance.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Where in the Quran does it state that the government should take over Allah's responsibility to judge us on our faith? We talk of blasphemy all the time - the biggest blasphemy is our desire to be a judge of someone's faith.

It is your right to believe whatever you want, it is not your right to force your beliefs on others. Like I said earlier, the next step in this process will be Sunni's declaring Shia kafir (like Daesh is doing) or vice versa. It is Allah & only Allah that will judge our faith.

You are agnostic and I can't make you understand, Pakistan is an Islamic country and there were huge riots over this issue at that time in Pakistan and it do matter when state itself is burning because one cult says 95% other Muslims to Kafir and as response state acted and given fare chance to that group which failed when inquire about khatam e nubuwat.

It is mentioned in Quran and Sunnah that who is non believer and who is believer.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Do you believe in khatm e nabuwat? Your stance creating a serious doubt on that.

I believe in Khatm-e-Naboowat. I don't believe in forcing my beliefs on others - I consider Pakistan's anti-Ahmadi laws to be un-Islamic.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Are we going to stop hiring Ahmadi's to work in businesses, government etc etc?

In army before ISSB there is a form which clearly mentioned I believe in finality of Prophet and have no association with Ahmed or Lahori group.

 

[El Sidd]

I choose to have you explain it since I don't see the relevance.

Why would i impose my beliefs on you?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

It is mentioned in Quran and Sunnah that who is non believer and who is believer.

Where in the Quran does it state that the government should force religion on others and act as a judge of their faith?

Why would i impose my beliefs on you?

By forcing Ahmadis to declare themselves non-Muslim, but going into hysterical tantrums over the induction of an Ahmadi into the EAC, you are absolutely forcing your religious beliefs on them.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Where in the Quran does it state that the government should force religion on others and act as a judge of their faith?


By forcing Ahmadis to declare themselves non-Muslim, but going into hysterical tantrums over the induction of an Ahmadi into the EAC, you are absolutely forcing your religious beliefs on them.

Govt did it because of violence fear, people of Pakistan rioting in streets and scores of people got killed over this issue.

Islamic state like Pakistan can impose laws for its Muslims and non Muslim citizens.

 

[El Sidd]

By forcing Ahmadis to declare themselves non-Muslim, but going into hysterical tantrums over the induction of an Ahmadi into the EAC, you are absolutely

And by forcing me to believe that they are muslims is not violating my rights because?

 

[Maarkhoor]

By forcing Ahmadis to declare themselves non-Muslim, but going into hysterical tantrums over the induction of an Ahmadi into the EAC, you are absolutely forcing your religious beliefs on them.

Lols not forcing them by inviting them to take part in debate in parliament and upon question either you think a person Muslim who don't believe Mirza as prophet and Qadiani Khalifa replied in that case for us that person is not Muslim and then Bhutto stood up and said in that case we have to decide either 1% are consider Muslim or 95% others.

 

[gutto786]

As per Islamic Fiq and constitution of Pakistan you are non Muslim minority.

As per Allah and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the one who say kalima is muslim:
There is none worthy of worship and muhammad (pbuh) is his messenger

Its pakistan's ulemas creation and in their fancy world they defeated Ahmadis. If its so obvious get all muslim countries to make it a law. When you talk to arabs about this law in Pakistan, some of them clearly say its wrong and no one has right to say anyone else is not muslim when that persobs says I am muslim.

 

[313ghazi]

If a jew accepts Jesus as the messiah, he is a Christian, not a jew.

If a christian accepts Muhammad (pbuh) as his prophet, he is muslim not a christian.

If a muslim accepts a false prophet after Muhammad (pbuh), he is not a muslim anymore, but a follower of a false prophet. This is true for Ahmadis, Nation of Islam and any others who have come before and those who may come after them.

As an Islamic republic, Pakistan has the right to have laws to clearly identify who is Muslim and who isn't. The positive and negative impacts of such laws, the motivations behind them have been discussed to death.

Fact is this man is qualified to be an economic advisor and has been hired as an economic advisor.

 

[pzfz]

You are agnostic and I can't make you understand, Pakistan is an Islamic country and there were huge riots over this issue at that time in Pakistan and it do matter when state itself is burning because one cult says 95% other Muslims to Kafir and as response state acted and given fare chance to that group which failed when inquire about khatam e nubuwat.

It is mentioned in Quran and Sunnah that who is non believer and who is believer.

How about stop rioting? and stop calling the 5% kafirs? and stop killing them? and stop stopping them for helping Pak?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Govt did it because of violence fear, people of Pakistan rioting in streets and scores of people got killed over this issue.

Islamic state like Pakistan can impose laws for its Muslims and non Muslim citizens.

It's time the government stop accepting unreasonable demands. This is a simple case of including an Ahmadi into an EAC, it's not even about changing the constitutional status of Ahmadi's. If Ahmadi's can't even be given jobs then what are the millions of Pakistani Ahmadis supposed to do.

The government has to stop bowing down to extremism, prejudice & hate mongers at some point.

 

[313ghazi]

As per Allah and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the one who say kalima is muslim:
There is none worthy of worship and muhammad (pbuh) is his messenger

Its pakistan's ulemas creation and in their fancy world they defeated Ahmadis. If its so obvious get all muslim countries to make it a law. When you talk to arabs about this law in Pakistan, some of them clearly say its wrong and no one has right to say anyone else is not muslim when that persobs says I am muslim.

If any Arab has a problem, he can challenge it intellectually. Their opinions and touchy feely sentiments don't count.