Message to my Pakistanis

[Sabretooth]

 

[Musafir117]

1. Establishment ( free to guess whatever its ) run the Govt I have no issue but take over it at least 50 years, and make the country free of corruption well established economy free of mullaism great hospital and great education system.

2.let the run by all corrupt elite ruling us now and DO NOT interfere in politics, let the public decide whatever they want.

3.No other options

 

[Hiraa]

Pakistan needs its own revolution. But it will never get one. Those who want change with no hope left,are leaving for abroad for a better life( and its fair). Those who are staying are part of and happy with the system running as it is.

 

[Arsalan 345]

I am ready to stop fighting and move on but who will feed the poor people of my country? Justice delayed is injustice.

 

[Great Janjua]

Pakistan needs its own revolution. But it will never get one. Those who want change with no hope left,are leaving for abroad for a better life( and its fair). Those who are staying are part of and happy with the system running as it is.

So the rallies imran Khan held before becoming PM were a fashion show if that was not revolution I dont know what is and if by revolution you mean carrying a g3 and getting shot by punjab police then go ahead I hope your revolutionist ideas bring the potato price down.If you guys can live under PMLN for 10 years and PPP why not PTI

 

[Jungibaaz]

To all PTI / PMLN / PPP - stop fighting with eachother.. in sab nay mil kar bewakof banaya huwa hey awam ko

To all PTI / PMLN / PPP voters and supporters please stop fighting with each other just because of these crooks, criminals and U-turn master.

Whatever done in the past couple of months (probably the last 2) clearly shows that the system is specifically designed for these criminals and the elite. This recent event actually push-back us almost 2 decades furthermore. The way mafia has got a super deal from the establishment even blind can see what is happening with our poor state. What a disappointment quite frankly

The Judicial system is busy delivering so-called justice on the weekends just because the plea was coming from the powerful. There is no difference between any of these political identities. If you would start comparing them, in the end the result would be exactly the same. It has to be stop but unfortunately, behind all this drama the major identity whom we always believe that they have learned from their past experience but NO, they're clearly and evidently visible in all this.

PTI especially PM Khan ran his entire campaign based on just one slogan/agenda "NRO NAHE DOONGA mar khap jaonga and all that BS". Now what he gonna sell for his election campaign? and why would anyone believe him? On the other side is that anyone dare to ask Mr honorable SC Justice Khusa Okay sir let assume Govt did that blunder (allowed convict to travel abroad) why not SC intervene into this if this is against the law as far as I know it is against the law of the state + law of the NAB that convicts are not allowed in any circumstance to go beyond the jurisdiction of the state courts. Did Mr Khosa asked his junior court judge what the **** you're talking about "Govt guarantee deti hey zindage ki? kind of a non-sense". Trust me guys Pakistan is finally and OFFICIALLY set for the ELITE and POWERFUL and all these major components of the state like Political Parties, Judicial system, and the military establishment is the part of that Status Q and they don't want to anyone to destroy this.

One side this Convict Criminal who looted our state and the other side our PM who always giving us lectures and references of Ahadees, especially in his every single campaign he always builds narrative based on "tumse pehlay ki koomain isliye tabah hoeen and Hazrat Omar Farooq R.A quotes on the other side his action contradict his statements isk mujrim p reham agaya oo tujhe besharam 22 crore awaam pe nahe aya? One so called nazariyati successfully left the country by making deals and another nazaryati making fool our nation and another nazariyati jiska we are failed to kill his Bhuttoism I mean we seriously a dumb ****** nation or what?

Do you see how this stupid Mr Gen Bajwa doctrine FAILED against the Indian Doctrine? Have you noticed this entire Kashmir issue event? As usual Military pushed govt to raised the Kashmir Issue at the international arena. They were confident in fact very confident that govt will handle this issue very effectively which was seriously commendable the way they've done this job within just a short time of span. Govt did its side of the job but where was the military in that entire situation? Mr Bajwa tabar sitting in barracks and watch the entire movie serial without becoming a part of this. What the **** morally support? No one gives a damn about Kashmir frankly until unless Pakistan changes his posture from defensive to aggressive and you could only done that through your military front. Diplomatically, you have already achieved enough but again (Unfortunately) the Tweeter DG sahab and the entire tabar sitting in GHQ DID NOTHING FOR J&K since August rather sitting duck.

sab eek doosray kay saath MILAY huway hain aur Awaam ki maar rahay hain...

My request you to all.. stop fighting with each other on the bases of politics

Thanks for making this thread, I can see your plea is heartfelt. We all care deeply for Pakistan. I have to agree that the political debate in last 5 years or so has become way too toxic.

As for the actual issues, all these problems you are reporting are symptomatic of deeper issues. A proper accountability structure still doesn’t exist, and if it does exist, it is being used by the powerful for their own personal or political gain. We still don’t have a functioning democracy, and it is this the intention of some to keep it this way, and they are succeeding.

i tell PML N supporters that they have very good leaders too, they should let clean people lead them, ihsan iqbal seems pretty clean though he lies all the time..

I’m sure if even these clean people picked a fight with the wrong people. Or criticised certain institutions who are deemed beyond criticism or reproach. All sorts of stories would come out suddenly of alleged corruption and NAB cases made within a few months.

 

[AZ1]

Democracy is not the model for Pakistan. Period. We have snake anchors like.hamid mir, saleem safi who says jamhroait badbodar ho jesi ho chalti rahay takay aun ka lefafa chalta rhaay.

Yeh qoom danday ki zabaan samjti hei ya one man show

 

[crankthatskunk]

please elaborate what he is trying so good for us so far... mainay kapray saaf pehanliye hain iska matlab ye nahe kay ub saray mamalaat saaf hogaye hain

You should ask yourself why were you wearing dirty clothes in the first place!!
Ask yourself, you must be petty screwed up mentally to have leaders like Butts, Zardari, Diesel, Afsoosnak, Uchakzai, etc.
When you stop anlaysing that why were you in the mess and why you had thieves as your guardian; you will understand the value of IK.
And if you still don't see the value of IK then you are a looney tune character which deserves all the thieves you can muster as your leaders.
No skins off our noses. Stay bless in ignorance.

 

[Sine Nomine]

To all PTI / PMLN / PPP - stop fighting with eachother.. in sab nay mil kar bewakof banaya huwa hey awam ko

To all PTI / PMLN / PPP voters and supporters please stop fighting with each other just because of these crooks, criminals and U-turn master.

Whatever done in the past couple of months (probably the last 2) clearly shows that the system is specifically designed for these criminals and the elite. This recent event actually push-back us almost 2 decades furthermore. The way mafia has got a super deal from the establishment even blind can see what is happening with our poor state. What a disappointment quite frankly

The Judicial system is busy delivering so-called justice on the weekends just because the plea was coming from the powerful. There is no difference between any of these political identities. If you would start comparing them, in the end the result would be exactly the same. It has to be stop but unfortunately, behind all this drama the major identity whom we always believe that they have learned from their past experience but NO, they're clearly and evidently visible in all this.

PTI especially PM Khan ran his entire campaign based on just one slogan/agenda "NRO NAHE DOONGA mar khap jaonga and all that BS". Now what he gonna sell for his election campaign? and why would anyone believe him? On the other side is that anyone dare to ask Mr honorable SC Justice Khusa Okay sir let assume Govt did that blunder (allowed convict to travel abroad) why not SC intervene into this if this is against the law as far as I know it is against the law of the state + law of the NAB that convicts are not allowed in any circumstance to go beyond the jurisdiction of the state courts. Did Mr Khosa asked his junior court judge what the **** you're talking about "Govt guarantee deti hey zindage ki? kind of a non-sense". Trust me guys Pakistan is finally and OFFICIALLY set for the ELITE and POWERFUL and all these major components of the state like Political Parties, Judicial system, and the military establishment is the part of that Status Q and they don't want to anyone to destroy this.

One side this Convict Criminal who looted our state and the other side our PM who always giving us lectures and references of Ahadees, especially in his every single campaign he always builds narrative based on "tumse pehlay ki koomain isliye tabah hoeen and Hazrat Omar Farooq R.A quotes on the other side his action contradict his statements isk mujrim p reham agaya oo tujhe besharam 22 crore awaam pe nahe aya? One so called nazariyati successfully left the country by making deals and another nazaryati making fool our nation and another nazariyati jiska we are failed to kill his Bhuttoism I mean we seriously a dumb ****** nation or what?

Do you see how this stupid Mr Gen Bajwa doctrine FAILED against the Indian Doctrine? Have you noticed this entire Kashmir issue event? As usual Military pushed govt to raised the Kashmir Issue at the international arena. They were confident in fact very confident that govt will handle this issue very effectively which was seriously commendable the way they've done this job within just a short time of span. Govt did its side of the job but where was the military in that entire situation? Mr Bajwa tabar sitting in barracks and watch the entire movie serial without becoming a part of this. What the **** morally support? No one gives a damn about Kashmir frankly until unless Pakistan changes his posture from defensive to aggressive and you could only done that through your military front. Diplomatically, you have already achieved enough but again (Unfortunately) the Tweeter DG sahab and the entire tabar sitting in GHQ DID NOTHING FOR J&K since August rather sitting duck.

sab eek doosray kay saath MILAY huway hain aur Awaam ki maar rahay hain...

My request you to all.. stop fighting with each other on the bases of politics

I would sum that up for you and rest on PDF.

• In 1970's PPP came into power,it was party which came on scene after Pakistan saw agro boom thanks to IWT and canals dug using funds from WB,a party made to represent farmers and poor workers.In other words it was to keep these both incheck.
• Ayub era did brought some Industrial Development and by late 1980's,PMLN emerged and it was party of Merchents,Businessmen and Industrialists.
• Fast forwards in 2010,a new generation had emerged which can see and think how matters in there Motherland are being dealt.On top of that free media and internet has proved to be icing on the cake.A new party to tow them was needed, so PTI emerged from nowhere(many would say it was struggle of some 22 years but truth is that,when you see Firdous,Fawad,Tareen and Shah it's hard to digest that PTI came on due to ideals).It was made to won 2018 election and now we have a Generation which tows IK,you would see people here defending IK more than they would defend their father.

We are here for atleast 2030,if i am not wrong these sologons of Ehetesab are not new,they have been around for longer than us all.
These parties made and broke on will we have many infront of us PMLQ,MQM,ML-F etc.
@Mangus Ortus Novem @ps3linux @war&peace @Areesh
P.S:-I am glad you have a clear vision.

 

[Hiraa]

So the rallies imran Khan held before becoming PM were a fashion show if that was not revolution I dont know what is and if by revolution you mean carrying a g3 and getting shot by punjab police then go ahead I hope your revolutionist ideas bring the potato price down.If you guys can live under PMLN for 10 years and PPP why not PTI

by revolution, i mean holding people who have destroyed this country in and out accountable. One of them just left for london under IK’s nose. accountability and austerity was promised, I din’t see it. And as OP said, everyone is involved. Revolution against these crooks who have fooled the nation for the last 3 decades.

Their wont be one for the very reason you mentioned, everyone is out for themselves here.

 

[crankthatskunk]

i tell PML N supporters that they have very good leaders too, they should let clean people lead them, ihsan iqbal seems pretty clean though he lies all the time..

whole problem is thus with the people not our leaders in my opinion

Oh Brother, you couldn't have pick a worst person even if you had tried hard. Ahsan Iqbal is epitome of what the leaders shouldn't be look like. You have pointed out one of his habit, which itself disqualifies as a political leaders.
But you couldn't be more wrong on his honesty/clean either. He is as dodgy thief as the rest of them in PMLN.
He had made huge money in sport complex in his area, giving lucrative contracts to his brother. He is investigated by NAB like many of them.

 

[Sine Nomine]

by revolution, i mean holding people who have destroyed this country in and out accountable. One of them just left for london under IK’s nose. accountability and austerity was promised, I din’t see it. And as OP said, everyone is involved. Revolution against these crooks who have fooled the nation for the last 3 decades.

Their wont be one for the very reason you mentioned, everyone is out for themselves here.

PTI fanboys have full focus on Sharif & co,which rises from the fact that they are their political rivals.Almost none of them online has idea,how money from national exchequer is syphoned off.They think PM can walk into State Bank and ask them whatever amount he needs and they would oblige.Sharif has not even looted 10%,there are many more,there are 35 tax havens and Panama is one of them.Do the maths.
You can see the pattern,Khan and Co would discuss corruption and Govt would fight 20 years old cases which probably don't stand any fair chance.But they won't touch PMLN & PPP corruption from 2008 to 2018,Raja Rental and what not because one would find ample living proves of these misdeeds but let's focus on what happened 2 decades ago.

Tum bhe kush Hum bhe kush.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Oh Brother, you couldn't have pick a worst person even if you had tried hard. Ahsan Iqbal is epitome of what the leaders shouldn't be look like. You have pointed out one of his habit, which itself disqualifies as a political leaders.
But you couldn't be more wrong on his honesty/clean either. He is as dodgy thief as the rest of them in PMLN.
He had made huge money in sport complex in his area, giving lucrative contracts to his brother. He is investigated by NAB like many of them.

All of them are crooks and most of them have ties with criminals.Rana Mochar PMLN loudspeaker was full time criminal and part time politican.

And he use to be law minister of Punjab.

 

[crankthatskunk]

Well, frankly, just allowing some breathing space through slogans is not going to do any more...

We need a fundamental re-design... ground up... this Nizam is keeping 220million Paks in suspended animation of colonised existence.... I have written enough on it... so won't go in detail.

We need a PakNizam that truly reflects the Idea of Pakistan and apirations of PakNation and its PakNationalism... reflected in education, health, economy and foreign policy.

Quite tired of seeing the same bloody faces for decades... they change parties like Dutch Weather.... no, thankyou! Not anymore.

My support for IK is in the hope that he can harness our latent PakNationalism in positive manner and pull the plug on this Nizam which serves only The CriminalEnterprise.

More on it later ... will tag you as well...

P.S. I have already written on Unionists/British touts... who joined MuslimLeague after the vicotry... these are the curse of our PakNation... and now we have their sons/grandchildren rulling over us as colony.

Idea of Pakistan was/is also about Culture Change... think!

It makes me very very angry, when I see these low life paddling lies after lies on our TV Screens.
They are shameless people with gutter mentalities. Their forefather's were pawns and servants of the Brits.
While my forefather's stood with Jinnah, supported him with money, sweat and blood. While these haram khoor got rich by confiscating the properties and land vacated by the Hindus and Sikhs after the partition. My forefathers left very fertile land in the "Doaaba" i.e. delta between Hindon and Yamuna Rivers. Going right up to Meerut.
These SOB's are rolling in illegal money, land etc. while those who were millionaires and would have been multi billionaire now if they decided to stay in India. One such person had 6 paisa in his pocket when he died.
The "Heera Mandi's" flower sellers children are the new gods in town in Pakistan, running it like personal fiefdom.

This has to change, no doubt, enough is enough.

 

[Longhorn]

wrong pakistan needs people who call spade a sapde..right as right and wrong as wrong..

the problem is PTI PMLN PPPP supporters wont do it..each will call their leader right and will not call something done wrong as wrong..

for example a PML N supporter will not call NS a choor
nor will PTI supporter oppose some corrupt people in PTI or call its current relief as deal or many other negligence we saw during this year..
if you remove the current elite, a new elite will born, we saw that in iran

Animal farm.