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Menon discusses security situation with Bangla leadership

Nope. We provided a medicine to an already existing disease.

Unfortunately the tumor grew back.

So you were claiming that Bengali-Nationalist-gurus like Rabindra, Bankim, Ishwar Chandra were born in E Bengle and we exported it to the West? And commie infiltration in W Bengle started from Dhaka UNIVV, not other way round since 1930s? How about most of the school teachers in W Bengle? They were Muslims too not Hindus in E Bengle? Man ! Even Gopal Bhar would call it 'ki je Bharami' ! :woot:
 
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Probably this is the worst government Bangladesh has had since Sheikh Mujib and if it had not been for the rigging there is no way that the AL could have got such a large majority. The obvious evidence that there was rigging was that difference in numbers on the voter ID and the ballot papers. Also as Ershad mentioned if it was not for 1/11 takeover the AL would have actually lost the elections.

MBI, since you have ventured in the intricacy of ballot paper and Voter-ID, Maybe you can explain the mathematics behind it as well. And also, what action was taken by your care taker government to declare it rigged.

Awaiting circumstantial proof of your contention.
 
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MBI, since you have ventured in the intricacy of ballot paper and Voter-ID, Maybe you can explain the mathematics behind it as well. And also, what action was taken by your care taker government to declare it rigged.

Awaiting circumstantial proof of your contention.

It is understood that CEC Shasul Huda, CA Fakhruddin and Gen. Moin were all in on the rigging. The voter list included names of people who had gone abroad (6 million) in the last 7 years and a large number of persons (4 million) who have no permanent place of residence and abode and rarely vote and are usually missed in the census results. This is a normal phenomenon with no census being able to count every single person. Usually this is a 5% difference. In any case these 10 million missing voters were distributed amongst the AL candidates so that even in some constituencies there were voter turnouts of 120%. The distribution was achieved because of the difference between the voter card number and the ballot numbers of 4 digits. What was the point of having voter cards if the numbers are different on the ballot papers? This anomaly has never been properly explained.
 
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So you were claiming that Bengali-Nationalist-gurus like Rabindra, Bankim, Ishwar Chandra were born in E Bengle and we exported it to the West? And commie infiltration in W Bengle started from Dhaka UNIVV, not other way round since 1930s?
Only that there wasn't any east or west then. :crazy:

shotti, ki bharami.:cheesy:
 
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It is understood that CEC Shasul Huda, CA Fakhruddin and Gen. Moin were all in on the rigging. The voter list included names of people who had gone abroad (6 million) in the last 7 years and a large number of persons (4 million) who have no permanent place of residence and abode and rarely vote and are usually missed in the census results. This is a normal phenomenon with no census being able to count every single person. Usually this is a 5% difference. In any case these 10 million missing voters were distributed amongst the AL candidates so that even in some constituencies there were voter turnouts of 120%. The distribution was achieved because of the difference between the voter card number and the ballot numbers of 4 digits. What was the point of having voter cards if the numbers are different on the ballot papers? This anomaly has never been properly explained.

MBI: IF we were to debate rationally, kindly stop labeling people not confirming to your theories as the "in" guys. From what i have read of your posts, starting with current BD PM to your army chief, all are Indian puppets. And now you have averaged Fakhruddin into the equation...all this without highlighting a single proof! .

No sane person will accept your theory whereby your care taker government , your armed forces, Awami league .. all were hand in glove. And to top it, BD citizens and Media, have kept silent to such a anomaly.

To continue with your post, can you let us know the URL from where this numbers quoted above have been collected?
 
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Only that there wasn't any east or west then. :crazy:

shotti, ki bharami.:cheesy:
Didn't forget about Tagore writing 'Amar Sonar Bangla' when we asked for separation from Nak Uchu Brahmmans in 1906 but where was his/his diciple's rhetorics when you guys broke out with us right before 1946's election? 'So much love for Bangla' was unseen at that time? Double Bahrami was practiced by you guys,wasn't it? :lol: :lol:
 
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MBI:

No sane person will accept your theory whereby your care taker government , your armed forces, Awami league .. all were hand in glove. And to top it, BD citizens and Media, have kept silent to such a anomaly.

Every sane person in Bangladesh knows how caretaker govt came about and what was their REAL agenda. Mr. Mushi was 100% right in his assessment. Just because you don't know what went on in Bangladesh and who's who in indo US pay list does not mean we will not catch your spin act.
 
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The reality of Banglesh.. Its rigged to those who looses the Election and fair to those who wins the election.
My all time idea, "Only caretaker govt should run the country".
 
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The reality of Banglesh.. Its rigged to those who looses the Election and fair to those who wins the election.
My all time idea, "Only caretaker govt should run the country".

Any flavor of Awami rule will do. No surprise there. Caretaker govt was one such flavor of Awami League rule. Hasina herself decleared that caretaker govt was result of their rather destructive activities in 2006-07. When caretaker govt summoned midnight court and issued executive order for Hasina release it was very clear which way Bangladesh election will turn out. Then subsequent cross continent trip by Hasian and meeting with RAW officials in London and meeting in state department further shaped up present Hasian govt.

Hasina's meeting with army officers one officer openly mention army (some of its officers) contribution on wining election. May be day story will come out how that was made possible.

Until then indo-Awami league quest for one party dictatorial rule will continue.
 
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Menon's Dhaka mission

M. Shahidul Islam

Nothing happens out of the blue, excepting miracles, so believe conscientious humans.
The sudden visit to Dhaka on April 13-14 of the Indian foreign secretary, Shiv Shankar Menon has given rise to a lot of suspense and wild speculations.

Suspense in politics, however, often ends up in misery, unless pre-empted in time. The same opinion was rendered by Aristotle who, in his epic composition, Poetics, wrote that suspense would end up either in danger, or in happiness.

The tragic BDR massacre occurred on the heel of a suspense-ridden environment, following wild fear stirred by some politicians in the parliament and outside about alleged torture in the DGFI custody of some politicians during emergency rule.

Accompanied by the composition on January 18?of a special committee to render opinion in the validity of the immediate past CG - and the submission of a draft version of the committee report on February 16 - the dreadful suspense entered a phase of climax. Then, barely a week passed by, when an unprecedented rebellion in the BDR managed to kill nearly 60 skilled military officers, ranging from the rank of Captain to Major General.

Forewarning ignored
With the grace of reflections we can confidently say now that, such a tragic thing could only occur in Bangladesh. As a nation, we not only suffer from forgetfulness, we're also myopic. Had that not been the case, how the BDR rebellion could have occurred despite our clearest hints only 5 days ago, in the February 20 issue of Weekly Holiday (Civil-military relations enter murky patch).

The broader strategy involving the fate of Bangladesh is being implemented by phases. Now that the spotlight is being carefully shifted from the BDR tragedy to the removal of Khaleda Zia from her legitimately owned house, and to the bogey of Islamic militancy, we once again are scared to the hilt by the ongoing deflections and deceptions.

What really prompted India's external affairs secretary to land in Dhaka on surprise whirlwind tour on April 12? Not only the visit took place amidst Delhi's mammoth preoccupation with the preparation for a general election, sources say there was no mention of such a visit in the official schedule of the Bangladesh PM whom the Indian foreign secretary hurriedly met first, breaching diplomatic protocol, upon arrival in Dhaka.

"It is really unusual. I have never come across such a surprise visit. Visit by India's external affairs secretary, of course, warrants some preparations," said Shamsher Mubin Chowdhury, a former foreign secretary and an Ambassador. "Only the government can say better why it was kept secret," he added. Chowdhury also expressed surprise about Menon's planned meeting with the army chief and the breaching of protocol nuances in the context of a democratic dispensation that Bangladesh claims to have.

Besides, the arrival of the Indian foreign secretary was kept in such a seamless wrap that, "not only the media, officials in the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) and the foreign ministry were unaware of Menon's possible visit," reported a daily newspaper. It was also learnt that Menon's meeting with the PM that began at 7.30 PM on April 13 at her official residence, Jamuna, was hurriedly included in the PM's schedule at the last moment.

A foreign ministry official said he came to know about the visit "after Menon's arrival to Dhaka" while the First Secretary (Information) of the Indian High Commission, Dipak Mittal, told UNB that it was part of regular consultations with government of a neighbouring and friendly country, nothing beyond that."

Finally, in a desperate bid to stop speculative headlines to turn things worse, Menon tried to dispel the unease by saying, "We meet regularly. We don't have a set schedule. We meet whenever we feel like. It is part of the ongoing dialogue on various issues between the two countries."

HOLIDAY > FRONT PAGE
 
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Why couldn't Menon wait for next Delhi govt.?

M I Ali

Last week Shiv Shankar Menon, the Indian Foreign Secretary, came on an unannounced and unscheduled visit to Bangladesh. This is the first of its kind and supposed to be indicative of the close relationship that the Awami League government enjoys with its super power wannabe neighbour India.

This relationship is now so close that the Indian Foreign Secretary did not feel the need to go through the formality of making formal announcements. It must be noted here that such unannounced visits to 'friendly' countries is not a new phenomenon; US and NATO officials regularly visit Iraq and Afghanistan unscheduled and unannounced.

It seems that there must have been an urgent need for a high Indian official to visit Bangladesh, a visit that could not have been put off for a later date. The parliamentary elections have just started in India and will go on for over a month ending in mid May. So what could the urgency be? Definitely not to invite a delegation from Bangladesh to inspect the Tepaimukh project in North Eastern India which will deny water to the central and north eastern part of this country, or to exchange pleasantries with political leaders.

The incumbent Indian government is on its way out and a new government will take over in the next couple of months, the Indian Foreign Secretary therefore could not have been on a routine visit during this period of transition in that country.

The Director General of BDR has returned from India after meeting his counterpart in the BSF to discuss cooperation between them. Routine visits would have to wait for the outcome of the Indian parliamentary elections which will install a new government in order to be qualified as routine. Some emergency situation must have presented itself to warrant the urgent unannounced visit of the Foreign Secretary and in the absence of any credible explanations from either India or Bangladesh, one is left to speculate the possible reasons for the visit.

Excusive meeting
First is the nearly one hour exclusive meeting between the Indian Foreign Secretary and the Prime Minister of Bangladesh. It is indeed highly unusual for a Foreign Secretary of another country to have an exclusive meeting with our Prime Minister. Such an official's exclusive meeting should have been the preserve of the Foreign Secretary of our country. Even a one-to-one meeting with the Foreign Minister would have raised some eyebrows; but such a meeting with the Prime Minister has definitely caused a stir among the people.
The Indian Foreign Secretary then had a similar meeting with the Chief of Army Staff of Bangladesh Army. This is indeed highly unusual. This leads one to wonder what could not wait until the new Indian government to take office, speculators would point their fingers to one direction only.

The reports of the BDR investigation committees are due to come out before the new Indian government takes office. There are two reports on the BDR that are due to be released. One is the much delayed report of the Committee set up by the government, the submission of whose report has been twice delayed for reasons known only to the Government and the other is the one conducted by the Bangladesh Army. The later report is unlikely to be made public but an official report will be there nonetheless, for the posterity. Was the Indian Foreign Secretary here on a cover-up mission? The nation would definitely want to know the truth.

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I am willing to wager that if the report of Pilkhana revolt doesn't name India or any of its agency as a conspirator, the report will be immediately trashed.

Another name will be added to RAW's payroll, and that is...< drumroll >...FBI.
 
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Every sane person in Bangladesh knows how caretaker govt came about and what was their REAL agenda. Mr. Mushi was 100% right in his assessment. Just because you don't know what went on in Bangladesh and who's who in indo US pay list does not mean we will not catch your spin act.

Oh Pls, let us know which assessment is Mr.Munshi right about? That the election were rigged. I'm yet to hear any proof on that matter from him. Or his assessment that election commissioner, president , Armed forces and AL were the movers and shakers in the rigging. Again, yet to see evidence from him. Or your assessment that Indo-US government bankrolled your heavy weights. Again, nothing but your words.

I'm unafraid, what you and i think , don't matter unless we substantiate it with some solid evidence. A person blaming everybody else for his plight is called "self pity" in real world. And that's what your tribe has been championing in this forum. Everyone but your country is responsible for your misfortunes. Everyone is out to get you.

Let me for a change hear some logical debate from BD members, other than "Cause I say/think so".
 
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I am willing to wager that if the report of Pilkhana revolt doesn't name India or any of its agency as a conspirator, the report will be immediately trashed.

Another name will be added to RAW's payroll, and that is...< drumroll >...FBI.

Oh well, its the Vogue in the region. Blame thy neighbor.
 
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MBI: IF we were to debate rationally, kindly stop labeling people not confirming to your theories as the "in" guys. From what i have read of your posts, starting with current BD PM to your army chief, all are Indian puppets. And now you have averaged Fakhruddin into the equation...all this without highlighting a single proof! .

No sane person will accept your theory whereby your care taker government , your armed forces, Awami league .. all were hand in glove. And to top it, BD citizens and Media, have kept silent to such a anomaly.

To continue with your post, can you let us know the URL from where this numbers quoted above have been collected?

I think I am in a far better position than anyone else on this forum to determine whose side these guys are on. I worked very closely with the 1/11 administration and know the inside info.
 
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