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Members Interview: Jhungary

I would like to thank @WAJsal for this opportunities to brought forward my point of view on this subject matter, if you like it, I hope to serve you all in this forum as much as I can, and if you have any question on anything regrading on land warfare, please do not hesitate and ask :)
Thank you for your answers i have some questions too.

1) Can you tell us which and how many weapon choices a soldier can choose from?
2) What was your favorite weapon during war?
3) Is it officially allowed to pickup weapons from dead enemy soldiers?
4) Tell us more about your experience during any firefight you remember? share only of you're comfortable to share with us.
5) What was your primary weapon and secondary weapon and did you like it in comparison to the weapon that enemy possessed?
6) During training how did it felt when you fired a gun for the first time how much different it was compared to firing it during war for the first time?
7) Do you remember when and why you fired your weapon for the first time in war?

these may sound really weird but i always wanted to ask a soldier these types of questions!
 
Spoke like a true soldier. :tup:

:yu:

I agree.
Could i rephrase the question and ask you "how do you prevent your brain from replaying the incident, on a loop, inside your head?".

To be honest? I will tell you when I find out how....

There are no ending in this, to this day 10 years after I was in Afghanistan, I still have dream about the things that I did, the things that I think I do and the things that I did not do.

I remember someone said "If you run over and killed a dog or a cat, would you ever be able forget that? What about killing a person in an automobile accident?" You won't ever forget what you have done, or not thinking about it. It's a part of your memory, this is something you can never shake it off.

And it come out and remind you time and again about what you had done, one minute you are walking along the Breakfast Cereal counter in your local supermarket, the next minute, you are back in Afghanistan, I am not joking, I once tackle a child to the ground in a local Costco because he was charging at me holding a box of Kellogg's Cereal. Just because it suddenly appear to me that child looks like a suicide bomber because the way he is holding the box.

It did, however, got a bit easy over time, you learn to accept that and you move on, it may give you 5 minutes of cold chill, but you realise it's over when you wake up.

But as to how you can prevent it looping on the back of your mind? You are the first one I will tell when I figure it out myself.


Reminds me of a line from a Pakistani soldier's diary "Back to civilization". Apparently the captain had not shaved for about 6 months, for he was posted close to the most dreaded post in the world- Kargil. Well, the topic can be reserved for a more appropriate thread.

We can talk about that here.

Well, I guess it best said is to balance the feeling between feeling back at home and making you homesick. You still need to understand and remember that you are over there fighting a war, if you make your battlefield feel like at home, you will start and wonder why are you here.

However, you still can't be too foreign, because you will again, thinking why the hell are you in this god forsaken hellhole.

The right balance is just enough, just enough for your people to wind down, and just enough for them not to miss it too much when they are out doing patrol or setting up COP.

It's hard, but without this balance, people will get crazy, you can't just bring a man out of a world when the biggest decision they make is to go to MacDonald or Hungry Jack for lunch? Or which DVD I am going to rent/buy, to a place when you are making decision that would probably your life is depend upon.


:lol:

So what is the weirdest thing you have ever seen a soldier pack for his deployment?

Well, there are one guy who bring a giant size (I think about 3 ft tall) winnie-the-pooh flush doll, in the end, it ended up on the bonnet of one of our Humvee as a mascot, that bear has been shot at, run over and drag around until the colonel come down and ask us to remove it....

Then there are this guy who have bring about 20 homemade apple pecan pies that his mom made him, it did not last a month.

There are all sort of crazy stuff people would bring for comfort, pillows, blankets, books, clothes (you are allow to wear them in your quarter only tho), firearms, even girlfriend's underwear.
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Thank you @WAJsal for convincing Gary for this interview. Luvd it!
@jhungary as i know him is a very honest person, and pens down one of the best military and personal snippets (Donut dollies being one of 'em) on the forum. Wishing him good luck in his future endeavors. :)

Thank You
 
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Hope you all enjoy, Thank you @jhungary for giving us the time.
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Introduction:

My name is Gary, I was born on the 1980 in the United States. My father is a Mexican-American hailed from Central Mexico and my Mother was Vietnam Born Chinese. I am of mixed Heritage, I have Chinese, Iberia, Anglo-Saxon, Hawaiian and Aztec heritage. My first language is Chinese, English and Spanish. I also speak some Swedish and German and some degree of Arabic.

I spend my child hood in Hong Kong and Southern China (Shenzhen) and was educated in various school in both places, I attended both Chinese University and Hong Kong Polytechnic University for between 1999-2000, then I left Hong Kong in 2000 and went back to the US, studying in Colorado.

I enlisted in the US Army right after I arrived back in the US, and have went thru Reserve Officer Training Corp at CU Boulder with the Golden Buffalo Battalion thru something called Green for Gold scholarship.

I was commissioned as a 2LT with the US Army at 2002 after I graduated from college with a BA in International Affair, and was assigned as a 19C Cavalry officer, as I enlisted as a 19D one station training, I was a cavalrymen.

My First deployment come in the opening hours of Operation Iraqi Freedom. I was with the Third Infantry Division and I was in charge of a platoon of soldier act as mounted troop to drive all the way to Baghdad, I served around 13 months on that tour, volunteer to stay behind and help out the Marines until mid 2004. And rotated back to the US afterward.

Stateside, I was promoted to 1LT and assigned another billing, before I apply for Airborne School and went pass the Airborne school and subsequently attend Ranger School. Afterward, I went to Army Intelligence School for HUMINT Training for 4 months. Promoted to Captain in my fifth years of service. And billed as a Battalion S2 for the 82nd Airborne Division.

Afterward I was deployed again to Afghanistan in 2005 to a classified location in charge of a TOC between a few SpecOp team operating in the area. I was in charge of intelligence gathering and interrogation. These team bring their POW to me and I will extract intel from these individual, or if it was a time sensitive job, I am going to fly to these outpost for the job.

I was seriously wounded in this tour, I was send back stateside and afterward discharged from the Army, afterward I work in private sectors in the US, UK and Canada, and then I help a friend of mine train local police in rural Kansas town, and move to Sweden in 2008 and got married there.

After Sweden, I live between US and Hong Kong for a period and finally settle in Australia in 2011, which I am currently reside. I graduated from International College of Management, Sydney with a Master in International Business, and currently studying in Australian National University with the MPhil Research program in Strategic Studies.

I am married without children. My wife was a Major in Swedish Armed Forces, she was a lawyer and she is currently working as a legal consultant to a human right group in Australia.
I am a keen photographer, I like driving, writing computer programs/apps, I like study history, I am a big documentary buff, I also like topic related to economics, military, tactics.

I am also very keen in sports, I had played baseball for CU boulder, and I had joined quite a few leisure softball league, I also love basketball.

I have 3 pet cats with my wife.

If a combat soldier had to go to Vietnam war and Iraq/Afghan war, then what differences would he face as a soldier? Which one was the bigger and more difficult war?

Jhungary: Although I wasn't in Vietnam, (Can't be, I will be -15 years old then) and my dad never really did talk about his time in Vietnam. I would have imagined there is not much difference between the two wars.

Granted, technological advance give us a bit more goodie to play with, and it make your fight a bit easier, but by no mean it would be easy to fight a war, especially in a close quarter.

Of course, the environment and exposure is different, while one war happened in a jungle in South East Asia, and the other happened in a desert in the Middle East, the nature of the warfare is also different. In a jungle, where you literally cannot see your enemy, they can be hiding everywhere, a hut in the field, under the vegetation, tunnel under the rice paddy and so on. In the desert, beside the urban area, it’s basically wide open.

The enemy we face is both determined and know what they are doing, perhaps the most important of all is that we are fighting in their turf, they know more than you, while you need to study everything, weather, terrain and population.

But Perhaps the biggest different of all is the people who fight the war, in Vietnam, more than half the US force there was draftee or selective servicemen, in Iraq and Afghanistan, the soldier who were in those wars are professional, the minds of the soldier have been shifted from just trying to stay alive in battle for most GI in Vietnam, to actually trying to achieve the objective given to us professionally.

As for which war is more difficult, I have never understood the tenacity soldier faced in Vietnam, for my own experience, a war is a war, when you break it down, you are doing the same thing in each war, maybe the road it take you to your objective is longer in one and the other, but the ultimate goal is the same, and I can imagine whatever I have bitched about in Iraq and Afghanistan, the heat, the constant fighting, supplies, hygiene and home sickness, I am pretty sure those are the same stuff Vietnam vet bitch about in Vietnam. I guess, for me, a War is a War; there is no war which is particularly difficult, or particularly easy.


A soldier is expected to kill the enemies but what emotional turmoil does a soldier go through after killing one? How does a soldier maintain his sanity after different operations?

Jhungary: You feel nothing, at least at that moment.

You train to react to contact, and everything starts from there, you basically don’t think about it, you just do it. In fact, unless the decision of killing is conscious, like I am a sniper shooting at someone far away, you probably won’t remember what you did at all with adrenaline pumping, What you do know is that you have just kill someone, and you move on.

What happens is when you have time to think, the so called “Downtime” you started replay the situation over and over again, you see the same picture in your mind, but at the same time, you don’t actually know what happened. It is a strange feeling to remember something clearly when you don’t remember the detail. Then, your brain is trying to play tricks on you; you started to fill the gap with your own imagination, trying to make sense of the situation.

Then you try to give the scenario details you won’t possibly know. Like their name, what they were doing, their back story. One day you are telling you they did that, so they deserve that, other day you tell you with different detail and that you may have another option.

Contrary to common believe, your first kill was hard, your second kill does not make thing easier, it’s actually harder, because you have expected for your first kill, you run up all kind of scenario in your mind, you expected, you anticipated for your first kill. For your second, you don’t have your bravado, your anticipation to push you over that obstacle anymore, you are doing this alone. But once you did it 5, 6, 7 or 8 times, then you sort of get used to it. And at that point, you just do it.

It is essential for soldier to have soldier get in touch with civilization and reality when they have a down time. Time to relax, time to go back to your normal self, trying to go back to your routine, get in touch with your family via phone call or e-mail, or play some games. Everything you will do when you are not at war.

This is very important, because even a bit of civilization that make you felt like you are back home, will bring you out from that mentality and keep you from going insane.

What does a soldier pack when he's deployed to places like Afghanistan or Iraq?

Jhungary: Not much you can really bring on your deployment, most of your stuff are government issued gear, you will have to bring your Personal Weapon (Rifle +Sidearm), Personal Protection item (Like Body Armour, Helmet, Vest, Padding and so on), Accessories (NVG, Blanket, Sleeping Bag, Gasmask and so on) and personal item (wallet, phone, computer and so on) Ammunition and Rifle Accessories are provided when you are over there.

You are allowed a box of comfort item, for an officer, it's about as big as a standard footlocker, which can be outside Army regulation TO&E, which can be books, board games, portable gaming console, ipod, plush doll (especially if you are a girl) and so on. They can be handy for you to stay at war but still enjoy a touch of home.

What do you think of the America's decision to invade Iraq for reasons which were not revealed to the American populace? Should America have used its soldiers as pawns? What is your opinion as a soldier?

Jhungary: As a soldier, I don’t think much on the issue whether or not US was hiding facts for the reason we invaded Iraq, as a soldier, this is what you do, you follow order, whatever, wherever and whenever your CO asked you to move out, you go. A soldier’s duty is not to reason why, but to do and die.

As a soldier, you do not have the luxury to question your order, an army works because you know the person below you will carry out what you said to their best ability, you will also carry out what you have dealt with to your best ability, when soldier started to question the morality of an order, then things will start to go pear shape from there, because if you can question this order because of that reason to which end can you question an order? In the end, you will end up doing nothing but questioning orders.

As a person, I believe the war is right, and the reason is justify enough to send US boots on the ground, however, I also believe the whole handling of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is wrong. You never overthrown a government without some sort of backbone government left for implementation, the years of in-fighting and insurgency in Iraq is borne from power vacuum, the coalition should at least retain a framework from former Ba’ath Sunni government to help with the transition, the Shia party have been targeted for a long time and it cannot be effectively govern the whole country.

In Afghanistan, the situation can be best be describe as summer camp, I don’t see anyone trying their best to put the country back together, there are people who are willing and able to do that, but those people are not in any way at any leadership capacity. The US and ISAF troop was there basically to protect the Kabul regime, not to help their own independence post Taliban era. As such, the country is in turmoil simply because we were there, not because of the country trying to get back on its own feet.

As for whether or not the US government used US soldier as a pawn? I would like to say we are a tool for the politician, Von Clausewitz once said war is simply an extension of policy, and soldier have the extended duty for politician. The question is, we all know that when we join, nobody is forcing anyone to join the Military in the US, so I cannot say we are used as pawn, but an instrument of politics.

How do you see American policy of military intervention globally, changing in next 15-20 years?

Jhungary: It’s my view that the American Foreign Policy will not change in the next 15-20 years, the military intervention will continue, but with significant difficulty and resistance from regional power, such as Russia, China and Middle Eastern power.


What was our experience during war being posted abroad? How the locals see foreigners and treated you/foreign forces on any occasion?


Jhungary: The local see the foreign troop with a mistrust and confusion. At first, when the US/ISAF/NATO troop overthrown the respective regime, they welcome the troop and their decision, however, as times goes by, and they did not see we leave, they then started to wonder why the foreigner is still in their country.

At a point when they don’t understand why or for what purpose we are still there in 2008 when the mission was supposed to be accomplished in 2004 in Iraq, mistrust started to set in.

Notice that most of these local people have low education or no education at all, they simply don’t understand the need of foreign troop in their country to stabilise the situation. For a local shepherd or farmer, they don’t know much about politics or concept of military operation, the only thing they do understand is that, we were there, then the Taliban or insurgent then started shooting at us, and we bomb the crap out of them and destroying their farm, field or sheep. Then the distrust set in, and we started to hate them when they did not tell us bad people are going to ambush us in their village.

The war would have been so much easier if the local people have basic understanding on what we were doing over there and if they understand their value, and what we are doing, it’s with my estimation they will lean more toward the foreign troop.

What is your opinion on Trump's policies and what impact will they have on the world?


Jhungary: While Trump is the POTUS (President of the United States) Trump’s in fact does not have a major swing in foreign policy. The one biggest impact for Trump’s Policy is the fear factor, Trump is the kind of person will try to scare you straight and manipulate you to do what he wanted or what you’ve been told.

However, in reality, this probably works in a company, but for a country, the United States is govern by 3 separate and equal entities, the Congress, the Senate and the President, Trump only represent one of the pillars, Trump can threaten a country, but without Congress funding and Senate approval, that would always be an empty threat. And people see Trump as a monkey and a clown; it would be a long way for Trump to win over both Congress and Senate to do what he wants.

At the end of the day, it’s always the Republican Party’s policy that matters, not Trump, Trump is simply a figure head, we had seen it with Obama, and we had seen it with G W Bush.
If you were asked to end terrorism in the world what major steps would you take?

Jhungary: There are only one way to end terrorism for sure, and that is a world in harmony, where every country, every religion and every race is equal. Because if one of them is not, then there be war, and if one side think they cannot win a war with another party, then they will resort to terrorism.

However, I don’t think we can achieve world harmony, may be I am a pessimists, I do think war are going to be there and keep going until the day I died, or even until the day my children dies, so the second best step I would take is to establish an international reaction team, where they have the authority to deal with terrorism related activities worldwide, for which intel can be exchanged, and have the capability to strike and prevent terrorist attack world wide.
Advantages of F-35 over A10 in a close air support role? And was it a mistake on part of US to stop F 22 production? Answer should also talk about the F-35 program itself.

Jhungary: Not an Air force man, maybe you should ask @gambit on this and he will give you a more technical satisfying answer.

For me tho, A-10 can NEVER be replaced, if it is up to me, I would never replace both A-10 and AC-130. Not because they have a great payload or how they help out ground troop, but simply because of the scare that injected into the enemy’s mind when they see one of them over the horizon and the comfort they give you when you see one above you.

The best weapon of an A-10 is the psychological effect casted on both you and your enemy. When you see an A-10 above you, you know everything is going to be okay. And times and times again, the enemy disappear when they saw the A-10 appear in the AO.

Physically, A-10 have a larger payload, longer loitering time, but F-35 hold one distinct advantage over A-10, which is the radar system. A better ASEA suit can detect target or sometime jam target within a larger and longer spectrum, it will give you a better picture of the battlefield, and it helps you if you have more information on the table.

F-35 is a good platform, it wasn’t matured as of yet, but it will at the end of the cycle. And by then it will be probably one of the most potent platform in the world.

Most people do not understand F-35 is there not to be an air superiority fighter like F-15C or F-22, but as a multi-role fighter. They are to be used in conjunction to other platform, thus either act as force multiplier themselves or enjoy the boost from other platform.

Standalone, F-35 probably cannot goes toe to toe to other platform, they may not be as good a dogfighter or stealthier than F-22, or have more payload than an A-10, or the sensor is not as good as E-3, and ASEA radar may not be as powerful as Growler, but when you combine F-35 with other platform, you will basically get a super group that allow you to do and perform every single function in the battlefield, which is the main point of a fighter like F-35 exist.

F-22 is a test platform, it serves its purpose, rather linger on and make more F-22, the USAF should use those resources to devote to 6th Gen fighter to stay ahead. So I would say the US is right on terminating the F-22 production.

11. Which gear/equipment/weapon do you think will be a break through for Soldiers in modern warfare?
Most people will say its firepower, other will say it’s protection equipment, for me, it’s COM.

I think it doesn’t matter if you are using the latest state of the arts M4 with ACOG with PEG-2 and Flashlight, or how ergonomically the grip can be, yes, it may make your life a bit easier, but in the end, you give me a Vietnam era M16 or XM-177, I am pretty sure it’s the same.

COM, on the other hand, make more impact on a battlefield then soldier usually credit it for, yes, you curse at your COM when it was on a frizz, but when it did real good, you probably never going to appreciated that. In fact, COM allows you to be connected to other people in the same field. COM allows you to understand not just what’s happening to you, but also what’s happening to other unit.

In War, we always going for the big picture, only you know what is happening everywhere in your Area of Operation, you can control the battlefield. And the only way to do that is by communication, simply because you cannot be in 2 places at once, and the only way you can do is by communicating with the person who was there in a different place.

So, for me, the next breakthrough of a modern battlefield is the field of communication. Like how to shorten the range of communication; increase its security (both way); how to communicate clearly between two places; and how to provide a better quality communication equipment.
During the duty/posting abroad while seeing locals around and families, how much did you miss your home? And how does it feel to return home from a tour?

Jhungary: Probably everyone will say the same, when you are over there, you constantly thinking about home, but when you are at home, you constantly thinking about going back over there.

Over there, you constantly compare the local to your local street or city, you keep seeing kids play in the corner of the street, the image you got in your head is that it could have been you playing downtown at your home, you started to feel more at home when you try to get comfortable to the life over there, to a point by the end of a year of deployment, you would think your home is in Iraq or Afghanistan.

But then eventually, you do go home, and when you see local street kids playing ball in the local park, you started to think back your time in Iraq or Afghanistan. And you started to think you don’t belong there.
How does a soldier prefer to chill or relax during tensed times of war especially while posted abroad?

Jhungary: Everyone have a different regime to chillax, I cannot be able to say for most, for example, one of my fellow officer relax by reading case file of his own homicide case (He was a reserve officer he is a police detective by day) I never understand how that can relax him, but I guess it is up to him.

For me, I relax by a combination of writing letter back home, sports, watching TV (Mostly Cartoon) and games, not really into the music and movie scene and I did not own an IPod/IPhone until 2008….

I guess whatever different than the day to day life in war (Which is quite repetitive and boring) will relax you.
Amazing thread @WAJsal I find these types of threads refreshing and informative. Keep up the great work.
And thank you @jhungary for sharing this with us, it was an amazing insight.
 
Thank you for your answers i have some questions too.

1) Can you tell us which and how many weapon choices a soldier can choose from?
2) What was your favorite weapon during war?
3) Is it officially allowed to pickup weapons from dead enemy soldiers?
4) Tell us more about your experience during any firefight you remember? share only of you're comfortable to share with us.
5) What was your primary weapon and secondary weapon and did you like it in comparison to the weapon that enemy possessed?
6) During training how did it felt when you fired a gun for the first time how much different it was compared to firing it during war for the first time?
7) Do you remember when and why you fired your weapon for the first time in war?

these may sound really weird but i always wanted to ask a soldier these types of questions!

sounded like you are about to join the military yourself :)

Question is always cool, as long as it did not goes up in sensitive area (personal or professional), in fact, if you are really wanting to join the military, it's important for you to understand what soldier does and know what you are getting into before you make your decision.

1.) You cannot choose which weapon you want, you can choose your MOS and your position within the squad. But that position will dictate what weapon you will use. Each weapon you use you would have to qualified for it before hand, you need to attend a short course to qualify for the weapon you use.

There are 5 Position in a squad of 11 soldier. Squad Leader, Support Gunner, Rifleman (Fire Team Leader), Rifleman/Marksman and Grenadier.

For Squad Leader/Fire Team Leader, your standard weapon is a M4, you can put a M203 and double as a Grenadier if you can find one or requisition for one. But normally, we just don't bother (Although I did have a M203 attached to my M4 when I was in Iraq).

For Support Gunner, your standard weapon is M249 SAW, you also go to battle with 200-300 rounds of extra ammo.

For Rifleman/Marksman, your main choice of weapon is M4, however, soldier who qualified for SDM (Squad Designated Marksman) can carry a SR-25 with a 14x50 Scope on top of the M4. Rifleman would be the only person that have optic support in my days, now everyone gets a ACOG.

For Grenadier, your main weapon is M4 with attached M203, which you will have 10 HE round and 4 Smoke round to goes with.

Sometime soldier within a squad will cross train with each other weapon, unless they do it officially (not just play with your team mate weapon) you are basically not allow to touch weapon that you are not qualified.

In a Platoon, when we have 3 squads, plus a HQ section, the weapon you use are the same with the execption of Heavy Weapon Squad, when a Platoon MG Gunner will use a M240Bravo instead of a M249, and you can sometime have a sniper team attached to your HQ section, which they will use M24SWS, otherwise Platoon Leader uses the same load out than the Squad Leader and Fire team Leader, Medic and Radioman uses reduced loading of a Rifleman Load out.

Today, almost all the weapon comes with full accessories (PEG-2, ACOG, Handgrip) but in my time, those stuff are allotted, you can trade within each other or you can apply for stuff that you think you need but you don't have.

Sidearm on the other hand, is quite relax, the standard sidearm is M9. But basically with CO approval, you can use whatever you want. Bullet is a bit tricky tho, but since you don't have more than 2 or 3 clips anyway, if you decided to go off rail, you will find a way to find bullet somehow.

2.) For all the weapon I fired, I love the .50 cal machinegun, but my favourite is always going to be my own M4.

3.) Not a sanctioned act, but you are allow to do something like that in an emergency, but you are not allow to use captured weapon. If you captured enemy weapon (like AK, or RPG) you need to give them to the Quartermaster and they decide what to do with it. Some people do keep captured weapon tho as I know of, but if you are doing it, those are illegal weapon.

People think why this is important? Well, soldier train to react to fire, you were trained to react to anything other than your own weapon (AK and M4 have a different sound, so does M249 and even 240 Bravo) You train to face incoming fire by listen to where the AK round is coming in, if someone in your team shooting AK behind you, that a good recipe for Blue on Blue.

4.) There are a few firefight I have been in, mostly in Iraq, but some are in Afghanistan (I was working intelligence in Afghanistan, mostly confined to a room) I remembered one time I was in Iraq, we are driving along Highway 1 toward Baghdad, my Humvee is the lead element in our group and we are riding with 2 Bradley from another platoon, a semi-trailer was park across the road and block the whole road in a perfect ambush position, since we are not allow to stop on the side (because there may be UXO and was not cleared by the engineer) We stopped on both side of the road and got out and let the Bradley through, at this stage, the Iraqi open fire on us as I was about to get out and direct the Bradley. I want the Bradley to put a few 25 mike on the semitrailer and blow it up and push it thru and we in the Humvee follow.

Once I open the door, bullet just fly over, you know when they are shooting at you as bullet pass next to your head have a ringing to it, and you know when dust keep kicking up around you, means those bullet misses up and shoot up everything behind you. They are setting up on either side of the road, and behind the Trailer in a perfect V shape ambush.

So, I close the door, and fire my M4 thru the window, half looking and half listening in the ICOM, they teach you to scan the threat and open fire wisely, but I can tell you that, it does not happen this way in a real firefight, bullet goes everywhere, yours', theirs', you hear something or you glance something out of your eyes, and you point your rifle in that direction and pull the trigger.

So, we are in a Humvee, there are 4 of us and we all shooting outside the window, the guy in the back passenger seat on the passenger side is shooting with his sidearm because his rifle was stuck between the seat. Then I realise something is missing. I did not hear the Machine Gun on top of our Humvee firing, so I look back and keep yelling "Get the 50, Get the 50"

Just as I look back outside my window, I fire a round before I actually looking at the target, the round bounce back inside the Humvee, then I saw my whole window was blocked, that's because the Bradley have rolled up against my door. The guy behind the driver say "Fuxk" and he was almost hit by round I fired. So he look at me a bit, got up and stand in the portal, and he started open fire on the 50 cal, first a few shot, and then a long burst.

Then I pad the shoulder of my driver and tell him to get out of the vehicle so we can clear the check point. I jump over the gear box and got off from his door, both of us dash for 10 meters, and go behind the back of the semi-trailer. Just as this time the stupid Bradley open up on it and smashing the glass and pepping the cab around us, we run back as quickly as we can and I go back to my second Humvee and tell the soldier inside to come out and clear the roadblock.

And then we move behind the 2 Bradley, and we pin down the enemy so the Bradley can shoot us a path. After they destroy the cab enough, the 2 Bradley ram the Semi-trailer and we just use this time to mount up and follow the Bradley and get the hell out of there.

Once we clear, we call for gunship support and they deal with whoever left at that roadblock.

And is one of the more comfortable story I can tell you. Because the next time I hear about an ambush at that site, the insurgent start using kids and RPG instead of Pickup trucks and semi-trailer..

5.) My Primary Weapon is a M4 with a 40 mm M203 grenade launcher, and my side arms is a M9 with 15 rounds mag. M4 have a shorter range than the AK and SKS the insurgent is using, the problem is then we most likely have to move into position before we can hit them. But on the other hand, AK lacking accuracy beyond 150 yards, so you are relative safe moving this close to a person firing a AK.

Closer to it, it come down to luck and skill. But then we can compensate with Marksman rifle, they can pin down people with AK further out up to 300 yards.

In all, our weapon is good for mauver warfare, theirs are good for close up contact. So if they ambush us, they will need to get close, but if we ambush them, we can do it further out.

6.) Shooting a Steel plate target in training and shooting a person in war is different.

When you shoot at a steel target, it was easy, you have plenty of time to aim for your shot and fire. You don't have anything urge you to do it, nor any distraction.

In War, the noise level is TREMENDOUS. First of all, your target shoot back, so you have to constantly look at your target and duck to take cover, on top of that, you have other people shooting, you can put an aimed shot but ruin it because someone is pumping round behind you with theirs, and finally the adrenaline means it's like you are firing your weapon when you are high. just that you can still control your action.

When you are in war, all you want is firing your weapon and get this over with.

7.) The first time I fire a weapon in war is a warning shot. We were in a convoy going into Baghdad and somebody got extremely close (like within 10 yards of us) and I have to stand up on the gun port and fire my rifle around his car so he have to stop.

Hope that help you in your question :)
 
Although I wasn't in Vietnam, (Can't be, I will be -15 years old then) and my dad never really did talk about his time in Vietnam. I would have imagined there is not much difference between the two wars.
Forgot to ask you @jhungary , how do you guys fortify your FOBs in such places?


That also brings me to one more question, a British soldier once said "American army has a great unit cohesion and a sense of purpose and loyalty to each other that was hard to beat".
What do you think separates your army from the rest?

Well, there are one guy who bring a giant size (I think about 3 ft tall)
Lol
Thats weird.
The camp leatherneck incident is pretty famous.
Is it really true that a lot of Xbox consoles for marines and soldiers were ordered by a General in Helmand,Afghanistan?


I once tackle a child to the ground in a local Costco because he was charging at me holding a box of Kellogg's Cereal.
Reflex action?

You are the first one I will tell when I figure it out myself.
:tup: :tup: :tup:

We can talk about that here.
Gary your permission isnt enough. @The Eagle keeps warning me to stick to the topic all the time. I will discuss "KARGIL diaries" only if i get tagged in a thread related to it. Lol
I'm not taking any risk this time.

Well, I guess it best said is to balance the feeling between feeling back at home and making you homesick. You still need to understand and remember that you are over there fighting a war, if you make your battlefield feel like at home, you will start and wonder why are you here.

However, you still can't be too foreign, because you will again, thinking why the hell are you in this god forsaken hellhole.
I concur.
I really wonder what goes through a soldier's mind when he gets to such FOBs?
I remember reading one such incident penned down by an American soldier who had a crush on a Kurdish female contractor, who was kidnapped by Al-Qaeeda, and tortured in the basement of a mosque. He and his team later found her remains there. He felt guilty deep down because prolly the woman was tortured for she knew him and worked in close contact with his team.
I seriously can not imagine a "normal" man penning down such personal accounts. A soldier? May be.

There are all sort of crazy stuff people would bring for comfort, pillows, blankets, books, clothes (you are allow to wear them in your quarter only tho), firearms, even girlfriend's underwear.
Ahem!
 
Gary your permission isnt enough. @The Eagle keeps warning me to stick to the topic all the time. I will discuss "KARGIL diaries" only if i get tagged in a thread related to it. Lol
I'm not taking any risk this time.

Keeps warning :angel: that I don't think as such happened even in last 7 days. :mad:

However, a soldier's life is related to interview that being shared though Kargil is totally different subject.
 
However, a soldier's life is related to interview that being shared though Kargil is totally different subject

I just fainted!!!


There you go @jhungary !
Eagle just confirmed it in a very subtle manner that I don't have the permission to discuss Kargil diaries here. Lolz
 
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How very smart of you Mr mod!

For courtesy, I wouldn't discuss in open thread nor is practice to disclose to others as such. That was on lighter note, though. Kindly edit the post. :-)

Thanks.
 
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sounded like you are about to join the military yourself :)
At one point i wanted to but well....
2.) For all the weapon I fired, I love the .50 cal machinegun, but my favourite is always going to be my own M4.
Well that thing is a beast! so who's not gonna love it!
3.) Not a sanctioned act, but you are allow to do something like that in an emergency, but you are not allow to use captured weapon. If you captured enemy weapon (like AK, or RPG) you need to give them to the Quartermaster and they decide what to do with it. Some people do keep captured weapon tho as I know of, but if you are doing it, those are illegal weapon.

People think why this is important? Well, soldier train to react to fire, you were trained to react to anything other than your own weapon (AK and M4 have a different sound, so does M249 and even 240 Bravo) You train to face incoming fire by listen to where the AK round is coming in, if someone in your team shooting AK behind you, that a good recipe for Blue on Blue.

4.) There are a few firefight I have been in, mostly in Iraq, but some are in Afghanistan (I was working intelligence in Afghanistan, mostly confined to a room) I remembered one time I was in Iraq, we are driving along Highway 1 toward Baghdad, my Humvee is the lead element in our group and we are riding with 2 Bradley from another platoon, a semi-trailer was park across the road and block the whole road in a perfect ambush position, since we are not allow to stop on the side (because there may be UXO and was not cleared by the engineer) We stopped on both side of the road and got out and let the Bradley through, at this stage, the Iraqi open fire on us as I was about to get out and direct the Bradley. I want the Bradley to put a few 25 mike on the semitrailer and blow it up and push it thru and we in the Humvee follow.

Once I open the door, bullet just fly over, you know when they are shooting at you as bullet pass next to your head have a ringing to it, and you know when dust keep kicking up around you, means those bullet misses up and shoot up everything behind you. They are setting up on either side of the road, and behind the Trailer in a perfect V shape ambush.

So, I close the door, and fire my M4 thru the window, half looking and half listening in the ICOM, they teach you to scan the threat and open fire wisely, but I can tell you that, it does not happen this way in a real firefight, bullet goes everywhere, yours', theirs', you hear something or you glance something out of your eyes, and you point your rifle in that direction and pull the trigger.

So, we are in a Humvee, there are 4 of us and we all shooting outside the window, the guy in the back passenger seat on the passenger side is shooting with his sidearm because his rifle was stuck between the seat. Then I realise something is missing. I did not hear the Machine Gun on top of our Humvee firing, so I look back and keep yelling "Get the 50, Get the 50"

Just as I look back outside my window, I fire a round before I actually looking at the target, the round bounce back inside the Humvee, then I saw my whole window was blocked, that's because the Bradley have rolled up against my door. The guy behind the driver say "Fuxk" and he was almost hit by round I fired. So he look at me a bit, got up and stand in the portal, and he started open fire on the 50 cal, first a few shot, and then a long burst.

Then I pad the shoulder of my driver and tell him to get out of the vehicle so we can clear the check point. I jump over the gear box and got off from his door, both of us dash for 10 meters, and go behind the back of the semi-trailer. Just as this time the stupid Bradley open up on it and smashing the glass and pepping the cab around us, we run back as quickly as we can and I go back to my second Humvee and tell the soldier inside to come out and clear the roadblock.

And then we move behind the 2 Bradley, and we pin down the enemy so the Bradley can shoot us a path. After they destroy the cab enough, the 2 Bradley ram the Semi-trailer and we just use this time to mount up and follow the Bradley and get the hell out of there.

Once we clear, we call for gunship support and they deal with whoever left at that roadblock.

And is one of the more comfortable story I can tell you. Because the next time I hear about an ambush at that site, the insurgent start using kids and RPG instead of Pickup trucks and semi-trailer..

5.) My Primary Weapon is a M4 with a 40 mm M203 grenade launcher, and my side arms is a M9 with 15 rounds mag. M4 have a shorter range than the AK and SKS the insurgent is using, the problem is then we most likely have to move into position before we can hit them. But on the other hand, AK lacking accuracy beyond 150 yards, so you are relative safe moving this close to a person firing a AK.

Closer to it, it come down to luck and skill. But then we can compensate with Marksman rifle, they can pin down people with AK further out up to 300 yards.

In all, our weapon is good for mauver warfare, theirs are good for close up contact. So if they ambush us, they will need to get close, but if we ambush them, we can do it further out.

6.) Shooting a Steel plate target in training and shooting a person in war is different.

When you shoot at a steel target, it was easy, you have plenty of time to aim for your shot and fire. You don't have anything urge you to do it, nor any distraction.

In War, the noise level is TREMENDOUS. First of all, your target shoot back, so you have to constantly look at your target and duck to take cover, on top of that, you have other people shooting, you can put an aimed shot but ruin it because someone is pumping round behind you with theirs, and finally the adrenaline means it's like you are firing your weapon when you are high. just that you can still control your action.

When you are in war, all you want is firing your weapon and get this over with.

7.) The first time I fire a weapon in war is a warning shot. We were in a convoy going into Baghdad and somebody got extremely close (like within 10 yards of us) and I have to stand up on the gun port and fire my rifle around his car so he have to stop.

Hope that help you in your question :)
Thank you so much for answering all the questions! PDF is a really lucky place to have members like you Niaz and so many others!! :)

Yep it did
@Hell hound @django @Arsalan you guys maybe will love to read this post!
 
At one point i wanted to but well....

Well that thing is a beast! so who's not gonna love it!

Thank you so much for answering all the questions! PDF is a really lucky place to have members like you Niaz and so many others!! :)

Yep it did
@Hell hound @django @Arsalan you guys maybe will love to read this post!
Thanks for the tag @The Sandman and great interview @jhungary really learned a lot from it.:enjoy:
 
Forgot to ask you @jhungary , how do you guys fortify your FOBs in such places?


That also brings me to one more question, a British soldier once said "American army has a great unit cohesion and a sense of purpose and loyalty to each other that was hard to beat".
What do you think separates your army from the rest?

You mean FOB or COP? FOB is a quite established base, where most defence system/measure are permanent. They can be pick up and removed but their defensive structure is quite extensive with blast wall, reinforced concrete bunker, steel door couple with watch tower and such.

COP on the other hand is very primitive, they build around natural defence, there maybe huts, houses or barn in between. Defence is makeshift, you uses rocks, sandbag, or cargo container to build a defence of a COP.

I would say we are there to get by, what separate us and the other I guess is the devotion we have to one and other, we trained together, deployed together and we see each other as the brother (or sister) we never met, and they are closer than the actual brother and sister you had. And we fought for each other. Pretty sure this happened to all in the same profession. It's like the St Crispian's Speech in Henry V

And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be rememberèd-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,

Maybe because we serve longer together, as we spend a whole year instead if 6 months in battle with each other.
But still, I would say this happens to every soldier across the field.



Lol
Thats weird.
The camp leatherneck incident is pretty famous.
Is it really true that a lot of Xbox consoles for marines and soldiers were ordered by a General in Helmand,Afghanistan?

what is the camp leatherneck incident??

I think he had that when he was a kid, I am not sure, but just that we stole it from him and put him up on a Humvee. It needed a good wash after our deployment.

Yes, each base have rec rooms which filled with everything you want, to relax, from gym equipment, TV/DVD, to Xbox, PS2/3/4 and Gamecube (Which is very popular in my days)

Mostly you can play PG/M games with it, they won't sell anything in the PX that deem inappropriate to soldier deployed overseas (Grand Theft Auto is one of them) Mostly you will play either FPS game (Halo, Call of Duty) or RPG (Final Fantasy, Legend of Zelda) or Adventure Game (Mario Brother and so on) and Racing game.

Also, officer within a company will rotate to the job of "Morale Officer" usually there ate 6-8 officers in a company, and what Morale Officer do is to organise some sort of leisure activities to either build cohesion or raise morale. When I was in charge of this, I usually just organise some Sporting event and Poker Night. Some will organise game night or movie marathon, but that's up to individual officer


Reflex action?

Flashback. It just looks like he is holding a bomb, and it trigger past memory and it fused between the two, that that point, I was living at the present and the past. And that is just a reflex I tackle him, well, at least this is what the psychiatrist said. I don't really know what happened, I just know one minute I was shopping in the breakfast cereal aisle, next minute I was on the floor pushing my feet up against the child chest and 2 guys try to restrain me.


:ok:

Gary your permission isnt enough. @The Eagle keeps warning me to stick to the topic all the time. I will discuss "KARGIL diaries" only if i get tagged in a thread related to it. Lol
I'm not taking any risk this time.

Have no idea what that [Kargil Diaries] is, and if you want to talk about it in private, you know my e-mail address. :)


I concur.
I really wonder what goes through a soldier's mind when he gets to such FOBs?
I remember reading one such incident penned down by an American soldier who had a crush on a Kurdish female contractor, who was kidnapped by Al-Qaeeda, and tortured in the basement of a mosque. He and his team later found her remains there. He felt guilty deep down because prolly the woman was tortured for she knew him and worked in close contact with his team.
I seriously can not imagine a "normal" man penning down such personal accounts. A soldier? May be.

There are a long and a short for it, short version is, shit happens everyday, and if you have to document it all, whether or not you think if that's civilize by your standard, that does not stop it from happening all over again.

The long version is that we don't live by their standard. Even Muslim from other region have their eyes open wide by the practices to these people. I have a guy who was an Indonesian Muslim migrate to the State and deployed in my unit. Most of the time he understand why people do what they do but some time, some practices would still be bothering him.

The problem is, we live in one world, they lived in another. When we were over there, it is important to remember that we are there to fight a war, not to get into someone else's life, or even not to understand how their life works, we need to be separate because in a normal circumstance, we should not be there.

Your job is to, well, do your job, whatever you been told to do in Iraq or Afghanistan, that may involve helping local but at no time should any of the soldier be involve in local's daily life. When you do, you brought yourself, your unit and the local in danger. Because their livelihood is probably different, sometime conflicting to ours, if we care about it too much and try to change things for them to be more inline with us, things will go sideway because it may not be acceptable to the local standard.

In your case, that soldier have violate this golden rules by having an interaction with this Kurdish female, it ended up hurting her, and I know it is bad saying this, but it happen quite often over there.


........Well, people did believe in all kind of crazy stuff. I am just telling it like it is :)

At one point i wanted to but well....

Well that thing is a beast! so who's not gonna love it!

Thank you so much for answering all the questions! PDF is a really lucky place to have members like you Niaz and so many others!! :)

Yep it did
@Hell hound @django @Arsalan you guys maybe will love to read this post!

No problem.

Wish you luck on the military front :)

Thank you

Thanks for the tag @The Sandman and great interview @jhungary really learned a lot from it.:enjoy:

Thank You
 
I don't go to ANU much (I live in NSW), I have done all my classes there, now I am only require to meet my advisor once a fortnight, and I hate to drive 3 hours from where I live to ANU.......

BTW, what you studying at ANU?
Fair enough, there's not really that much to do here in Canberra. I'm doing undergrad, looking at security/conflict resolution/state building/languages etc. It's a nice change from army life.
 
Hey @jhungary did you ever get to fire a ma deuce at some baddies. Few things sort things out like a repeated stream of .50 BMG :P

An excellent read as usual btw. It was fun sharing our HK memories in the other thread too.

BTW regarding your spoken Chinese, is it Mandarin or Cantonese?
 

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