MEDIA OUTLET REPORTS POSSIBLE AIR DEFENCE DEAL BETWEEN PAKISTAN AND THALES

[Bilal Khan 777]

What equipment you think is good to handle current and future threats??

New Giraffe AESA radar series looks good, what you think? Any potent western radar which we can afford?

Good question. There are many systems that you guys mention here which can handle current and future threats. Any system that has good bandwidth, frequency and PRF agility, stagger, compression or barker code, jam detection, ARM warning, decoy field, fast deployment and scooting, air transportable etc would work in our EW situation.

We wont buy anyone till its offered with sellers credit, or a third party system integrator that could finance, and ensure in-country support. Otherwise this project will also go the way of other mistakes.

 

[khanasifm]

Paf acquired an old tps-43 from Bahrain which was converted to spares for existing radars further crotale 1000 sams from Libya ( with I guess at the time mirages were acquired ) which were also used / converted to spares to keep crotale 2/3000 functional

 

[Gryphon]

Any idea who this undisclosed customer could be?

According to an official, it is a non-European customer.

http://tangentlink.com/saab-giraffes-show-counter-uas-capabilities-build-uk-army-contract/

 

[Gryphon]

Good question. There are many systems that you guys mention here which can handle current and future threats. Any system that has good bandwidth, frequency and PRF agility, stagger, compression or barker code, jam detection, ARM warning, decoy field, fast deployment and scooting, air transportable etc would work in our EW situation.

We wont buy anyone till its offered with sellers credit, or a third party system integrator that could finance, and ensure in-country support. Otherwise this project will also go the way of other mistakes.

Did PAF evaluate any radar to replace Siemens MPDR and YLC-6 ?

 

[Fledgingwings]

Let it coming.

 

[khanasifm]

Did PAF evaluate any radar to replace Siemens MPDR and YLC-6 ?

Project vision started early 2000s but only mentioned replacing control reporting Center or crc eqpt. Adding tps77, ylc 2 and 6, spada 2k which also bring new radar with 100 plus range

This is as of 2012/13 also mentioned upgrading mpdr with new iff etc

Since than who knows

 

[Gryphon]

Project vision started early 2000s but only mentioned replacing control reporting Center or crc eqpt. Adding tps77, ylc 2 and 6, spada 2k which also bring new radar with 100 plus range

This is as of 2012/13 also mentioned upgrading mpdr with new iff etc

Since than who knows

Then, I guess they are waiting for the Americans come in again and carry out an OBL-style operation for Zawahiri. Much to embarrassment.

 

[The SC]

From air to ground: comprehensive air defence solutions

ground-based systems include:

• CONTROL, a weapon coordination solution
• GROUND, air surveillance radars
• RAPID, a mobile integrated weapons system
• SKYVIEW, a command and control system

Ground
Thales' expertise covers all radars applications. Thales and ThalesRaytheonSystems have invested significantly in new radar technologies in recent years, developing innovative air defence radar systems that are capable of handling today’s and tomorrow’s threats.

The GROUND Master radars are a family of versatile, multi-role air defence radars, dedicated to the protection of key assets and forces deployed in remote theatres. The GROUND Master radars are specifically designed to meet the following operational requirements: high detection performance, high track accuracy, weapon assignment, high operational availability and simplified maintenance as well as high mobility.

The GROUND Master radar systems can also detect a vast array of modern-day threats, including UAVs, missiles, mortars and rockets and at critical ranges and altitudes. As military threats have evolved and become less predictable, the accuracy and granularity of data available from radars is increasingly important to operators and decision-makers entrusted with the protection of assets, passengers, civilians and armed forces. The GROUND range of air surveillance radars detect from very low to very high altitude against any type of threat.

The best detection performance at the lowest lifecycle costs with a wealth of experience and hundreds of military systems installed worldwide, Thales and ThalesRaytheonSystems offer customers the widest portfolio of surface radars, fulfilling all operational requirements for system integrators and end-users. The result of major technological investment, the GROUND radar range shares common architecture, hardware and software modules, and common interfaces. We believe we have set the new industry benchmark in terms of performance, operational availability, compactness, modularity and upgradeability.

Rapid
Our open systems architecture designs and innovation have been used to develop the RAPID Mobile integrated Weapon systems in which we combine the most sophisticated sensors, fire control software systems, latest generation human machine interfaces and a wide range of weapons including missiles, guns and directed energy weapons. Our RAPID systems are of modular design that ensure that they can be tailored to customers needs and CONOPS to provide the most cost-effective ‘sensor to effect’ capability. Another design driver is to ensure that our RAPID systems can be upgraded and supported easily by our customers and overseas industrial partners.


Thales RAPIDDefender

• Fully integrated mobile SHORADsystem based on Crotale family (X000, NG, Mk3,…) with C2 interfaces, surveillance radar, fire control and missiles systems.
  

Thales RAPIDRanger

• High-mobility VSHORAD systems including C2 interface, early warning sensor (optional), and the STARStreak missile and associated guidance and control interfaces.

Thales RAPIDFire

• New mobile gun system to provide close-in protection against air and ground threats.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/global/activities/defence/air-forces/advanced-air-defence

So which one of these?

RAPIDFire

ForceSHIELD Integrated Air Defence system

The Crotale Mk3

STARSTREAK

RAPIDRanger

Rapid Defender

 

[Zarvan]

From air to ground: comprehensive air defence solutions

ground-based systems include:

• CONTROL, a weapon coordination solution
• GROUND, air surveillance radars
• RAPID, a mobile integrated weapons system
• SKYVIEW, a command and control system

Ground
Thales' expertise covers all radars applications. Thales and ThalesRaytheonSystems have invested significantly in new radar technologies in recent years, developing innovative air defence radar systems that are capable of handling today’s and tomorrow’s threats.

The GROUND Master radars are a family of versatile, multi-role air defence radars, dedicated to the protection of key assets and forces deployed in remote theatres. The GROUND Master radars are specifically designed to meet the following operational requirements: high detection performance, high track accuracy, weapon assignment, high operational availability and simplified maintenance as well as high mobility.

The GROUND Master radar systems can also detect a vast array of modern-day threats, including UAVs, missiles, mortars and rockets and at critical ranges and altitudes. As military threats have evolved and become less predictable, the accuracy and granularity of data available from radars is increasingly important to operators and decision-makers entrusted with the protection of assets, passengers, civilians and armed forces. The GROUND range of air surveillance radars detect from very low to very high altitude against any type of threat.

The best detection performance at the lowest lifecycle costs with a wealth of experience and hundreds of military systems installed worldwide, Thales and ThalesRaytheonSystems offer customers the widest portfolio of surface radars, fulfilling all operational requirements for system integrators and end-users. The result of major technological investment, the GROUND radar range shares common architecture, hardware and software modules, and common interfaces. We believe we have set the new industry benchmark in terms of performance, operational availability, compactness, modularity and upgradeability.

Rapid
Our open systems architecture designs and innovation have been used to develop the RAPID Mobile integrated Weapon systems in which we combine the most sophisticated sensors, fire control software systems, latest generation human machine interfaces and a wide range of weapons including missiles, guns and directed energy weapons. Our RAPID systems are of modular design that ensure that they can be tailored to customers needs and CONOPS to provide the most cost-effective ‘sensor to effect’ capability. Another design driver is to ensure that our RAPID systems can be upgraded and supported easily by our customers and overseas industrial partners.


Thales RAPIDDefender

• Fully integrated mobile SHORADsystem based on Crotale family (X000, NG, Mk3,…) with C2 interfaces, surveillance radar, fire control and missiles systems.
  

Thales RAPIDRanger

• High-mobility VSHORAD systems including C2 interface, early warning sensor (optional), and the STARStreak missile and associated guidance and control interfaces.

Thales RAPIDFire

• New mobile gun system to provide close-in protection against air and ground threats.

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/global/activities/defence/air-forces/advanced-air-defence

So which one of these?

RAPIDFire

ForceSHIELD Integrated Air Defence system

The Crotale Mk3

STARSTREAK

RAPIDRanger

Rapid Defender

No idea which one although I hope it turns out to be The Crotale Mk3.

 

[The SC]

No idea which one although I hope it turns out to be The Crotale Mk3.

Your hope is well placed since the Crotale Mk3 has a naval variant too..

The Crotale Naval Mk3 is a Short Range Surface to Air Naval Defence System dedicated to the self-protection of naval forces and is optimized against sea skimming subsonic and supersonic threats, even manoeuvring.

The Crotale Naval Mk3 is the most advanced sea-skimming missile system in the world featuring a unique multimission capability and satisfies all air defence requirements. The Crotale Naval Mk3 is able to cope with the most adverse environments and a wide range of modern threats including cruise and tactical missiles.

Main features

• Engagement:
  • Less than 5 second reaction time from detection to missile Departure : 8 ready-to-fire hypervelocity VT1 missiles with unique manoeuvrability and fast re-engagement capability
  • CLOS guidance using radar and electro optical sensors
    • Manages guns
• Detection
  • Tracking radar
    • Ku band monopulse Doppler
    • Range: > 20 km
    • ECCM
  • Thermal Imager
    • Dual Field of View
    • Range: 20km
    • Passive electro-optics

https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/crotale-naval-mk3

 

[khanasifm]

 

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[Basel]

No idea which one although I hope it turns out to be The Crotale Mk3.

Why Crotale Mk-3? Is it better then CAMM series or Aster-15 versions or Sea Captor?