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McCain: confident of easing Vietnam arms embargo

Personally welcome this move.If U.S. is really so generous to provide advanced weapons to Vietnam and encourage it to use its military force when handling the disputes around SCS , PLA will get more chances to test them, and I know they are eager to do that.

What is up with the Chinese? They seem angry. Eh, what if the U.S. decide lifting Arms sanction to China. I think the Chinese in here will jump up and down showing how happy they are. :D

C'mon U.S why you keep making Chinese angry. I thought you fear Chinese as the Chinese claimed you are. :D
You are showing off your funny ignorance cuz U.S and the western have had the Arms sanction against China for 25 years. And thanks to this sanction, we got our own strong defense industry right now and ranks top 5 as a weapon exporter.
 
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lethal weapon, and nuclear technology ?

I thought USA is trying to bring much more hazardous to Vietnam.
Don't do that USA ...
 
Regardless of which direction the corrupted Prime Minister of Vietnam, Nguyen Tan Dung is going, he would still lose all his bribe and corrupted money from the hard working people. If he decided to go with China, he would lose. But it's better to lose to the American because he still believe in human rights and freedom. At least, he can still keep his life and bribe money from corruption he has made during this time. If he choose to go with China, he would be hanged along with his family..
is there any report that he is corrupt?
don´t talk nonsense if you don´t have any proof!

Ich habe eine Abneigungen gegen Dummheit, Falschheit und Hybris. Die Ethnizität spielt dabei keine Rolle.
Ich habe auch was gegen Arroganz besonders mit Leuten wie du.

I don't agree, they are not poor, they already have an amazing GDP per capital of $1,200, they also cancelled Asian Game, they have more moeny now. Good to see Vietnam has better living standard, they have motorbike now.

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ha ha ha...you see a bike can carry more than one or two.
 
is there any report that he is corrupt?
don´t talk nonsense if you don´t have any proof!


Ich habe auch was gegen Arroganz besonders mit Leuten wie du.


ha ha ha...you see a bike can carry more than one or two.

Cost-efficient, environment friendly, and a happy family. This is awesome! :oops:
 
is there any report that he is corrupt?
don´t talk nonsense if you don´t have any proof!

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VN media VTV1 just annouce that : The Australia Govt. need to give a solid proof abt corruption of our leader including our PM Dung.

Australia’s Sticky Plastic Money Trail
Written by Our Correspondent in Sydney, Australia
FRI,01 AUGUST 2014


Do Not Pass Go, Go Directly to Jail. Photo from Sydney Mornng Herald

Reserve Bank of Australia subsidiary allegedly paid bribes in at least 21 countries


The Australian government’s efforts to contain the regional political fallout from the country’s first big foreign bribery trial has boomeranged, with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono demanding to know why his name has been mentioned in an unusual blanket suppression order issued by the judge who will hear the case.

As Asia Sentinel reported on July 30, the case is also resonating in Malaysia, where the names of the current prime minister, Najib Razak, and his two predecessors, Abdullah Badawi and Mahathir Mohammad, are listed in the court order. In a third country, Vietnam, the names of top Communist Party figures are also listed. (See:
Australia ‘Gags’ a Massive Banknote Scandal)

The suppression order, which itself is not supposed to be mentioned by the Australian media partly on grounds of “national security” and preserving key international relationships, was obtained and published on July 29 by Wikileaks. The case, involving two Reserve Bank of Australia subsidiaries, Note Printing Australia and former subsidiary Securency, has since been given wide coverage overseas and has leaked back into Australia despite authorities’ efforts to keep it bottled up.

Beyond those three countries, in committal hearings a Securency document listed agents in 17 countries: Bangladesh, India, Angola, Botswana, Dubai, Madagascar, Mauritius, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Swaziland, Uganda, China, Argentina, Uruguay, Nigeria and Chile. In other testimony, the names of Chinese central bankers and Nepalese officials have emerged, along with a long list of individuals connected to the case.

“I haven't seen a country which involves an agent where they [Securency] did not commit bribery,” Australian Federal Police agent Rohan Pike told the court.

The order contains the names of the seven accused, all former executives Note Printing Australia Securency who were allegedly involved in bribing foreign officials to secure sales for Australia’s technology to make hard-wearing and relatively counterfeit-proof polymer bank notes.

In addition it lists local fixers as well as the political leaders and officials in the three Asian countries. The explosive case involves not only widespread bribery but the purchase of the services of prostitutes for government leaders, bankers and others.

As well as Indonesia’s Yudhoyono, his predecessor as president in 2001-2004, Megawati Sukarnoputri, and her minister for state-owned enterprises, Laksamana Sukardi, are listed. On Thursday, Yudhoyono was quoted by Jakarta media as saying: “I ask that Australia issue a statement that both [former president] Megawati [Sukarnoputri]] and my names are unstained, and so they do not defame other Indonesian officials. We want to hear directly from Australia.”

In response, Australia’s Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade put out a statement headlined: “Suppression orders: Securency court proceedings”, saying the case “names a large number of individuals.” However, it said, “The naming of such figures in the orders does not imply wrongdoing on their part,”

“The Australian Government obtained suppression orders to prevent publication of information that could suggest the involvement in corruption of specific senior political figures in the region, whether in fact they were or not. The government considers that the suppression orders remain the best means for protecting the senior political figures from the risk of unwarranted innuendo … The government stresses that the Indonesian President and the former President are not the subject of the Securency proceedings.”

The alleged bribery efforts came after the Australian central bank spun off its innovative plastic banknote business into the two subsidiaries with a commercial mandate to go out and seek international business. The alleged offences occurred between 1997 and 2005. Although internal whistle-blowers tried to alert the Reserve Bank’s top executives in 2007, their evidence was not referred to the Australian Federal Police until after an exposé in The Age newspaper in April 2009.

Allegedly when the former company secretary of Note Printing attempted to alert officials that the two companies were using overseas agents whom he suspected of paying bribes, he said he was told “You don’t fit in, f---k off.”

Ten former executives of Securency and Bank Note Australia were charged. In committal hearings before a Melbourne magistrate last year, extensive evidence and testimony was presented by the police. Securency’s former chief financial officer, David Ellery, pleaded guilty to one charge of false accounting and was given a six-month suspended sentence after agreeing to testify for the prosecution. Charges were dismissed against two others. Seven now face trial in the Victorian Supreme Court in proceedings expected to start next year. If found guilty they face jail terms up to 10 years and fines of $66,000 for each offence.

In addition, both Securency, now sold off to its former 50 percent shareholder Innovia, owned by the British private investment group Arle Capital Partners, and Bank Note Australia were charged as companies with contravening the foreign bribery provisions of federal criminal code on the basis that senior managers acted as the “mind and will” of the companies, and that the companies received a benefit in the form of contracts to print bank notes.

The companies face fines of a mere A$330,000 as the offences were committed before the maximum penalty was raised in 2010 at the time this case came to light. Australian corporations could now be liable for fines the greater of either A$11 million, three times the value of the benefit obtained, or, if the benefit cannot be determined, up to 10 percent of their annual turnover in the 12 months before the offence. Both have pleaded guilty, but this too is subject to a suppression order inside Australia.

Evidence has also emerged of activity in China, Indonesia and Nepal. One key figure was a long-time Jakarta influence-peddler based in Singapore, Radius Kristanto. He agreed to extradition in August 2013 and has become a witness for the prosecution, through his evidence at the Melbourne committal hearing was sometimes confused.

Kristanto claimed to have started his work for Securency in 1998, delivering “donations” in four suitcases of cash to then President Suharto’s “right-hand man,” whose name has not yet emerged. Bank Indonesia, whose officials received laptop computers and expensive golf games from Kristanto, later issued a commemorative note using the polymer technology, but it is unclear under whose authority. At one point in 1999 Kristanto’s commission for a successful deal was put at A$4.77 million (US$4.43 million).

Kristanto has also confessed to bribery in China, passing US$150,000 in cash via a “Mr Kuok” who claimed to be “family of a senior [Communist] party member” and make an introduction to a “senior government minister.” Kristanto said he banqueted People’s Bank of China officials at five-star hotels and took a delegation down to Australia’s glitzy Gold Coast resort.

The PBOC gave Securency a contract to produce a commemorative note in 2000.The then head of the Chinese government's banknote printer, Gu Daoming, reportedly told him and two Securency executives the contract “was only a small step and if everything went well there would be larger contracts.” Gu, now retired, has admitted meeting Kristanto but denied any knowledge of “Mr Kuok” or the money.

Kristanto has also testified he negotiated in Vietnam in 2004 with Securency's local lobbyist and agent, Anh Ngoc Luong, who then claimed he was a colonel in his country's internal security agency. The current president of Vietnam, Truong Tan San, the former central bank chief Le Duc Thuy (under whom Vietnam switched to Securency’s notes), Communist Party general secretary, Nong Duc Manh, and Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung are all listed in the new suppression order. The Vietnamese have given Canberra zero cooperation in the case.

Australia’s Sticky Plastic Money Trail | Asia Sentinel

News in VNese or u can find it on VN state media VTV1
VN phản đối Úc về án lệnh vụ bê bối in tiền polymer
RFA 08.08.2014


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Báo chí Việt Nam cũng đã từng lên tiếng cảnh báo về những sai phạm trong vụ in tiền polymer.
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Việt Nam phản đối Australia về một án lệnh kiểm duyệt thông tin vụ bê bối in tiền polymer mà trong đó có nêu tên các nhà lãnh đạo Việt Nam. Ngày 7/8/2014, Bộ Ngoại giao Việt Nam đã trao công hàm phản đối cho Đại sứ Australia tại Hà Nội. Nội dung Công hàm nêu rõ: Việt Nam cực lực phản đối việc tòa án tối cao bang Victoria của Australia ban hành lệnh kiểm duyệt liên quan đến vụ in tiền polymer có nêu tên một số quan chức nước ngoài trong đó có Việt Nam.

Các nhà lãnh đạo Việt Nam được nêu trong lệnh tòa án gồm Chủ tịch nước Trương Tấn Sang, Thủ tướng Nguyễn Tấn Dũng và hai người đã về hưu là nguyên Tổng Bí thư Nông Đức Mạnh và nguyên Thống đốc Ngân hàng Nhà nước Lê Đức Thúy.
VN phản đối Úc về án lệnh vụ bê bối in tiền polymer
 
You're right. I must apologize to the mighty Viets at once. But it's actually higher, some say it's as high as $1800 per capita. AND that's not even PPP adjusted

Don't step on the ego of the "Prussians", they won't take it lightly coming from the sick man :D
 
I don't agree, they are not poor, they already have an amazing GDP per capital of $1,200, they also cancelled Asian Game, they have more moeny now. Good to see Vietnam has better living standard, they have motorbike now.

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We r poor bcz we humiliated mighty US in VN war and got hard economic sanction while ur leader Deng bowed down to JP-US, accepted being divided into 2 parts(main land -TW ) and begged for some cheap Yen-USD in 1978-1979.

If China dare to take back TW, not sure if u can defeat US like VN, but Im sure that China will be even poorer than North Korea when under US sanction :pop:
 
Mine is a friendly observation on your established behavior. It is up to you to make the necessary behavioral changes. Or not.

I'm not asking for any advices, so spare them for yourself.

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Ich habe auch was gegen Arroganz besonders mit Leuten wie du.

Das geht mir so am Arsch vorbei.
 
The relationship between Japanese and Germans, as a whole, is very positive.
Both Japan and Germany are in G7, it would not make any sense for Germany dislike Japan. Not to mention, Germans in general love Japanese culture. Anyone here heard of Tokio Hotel? Like I said, only true Chinaman in Germany got irk and attack both Vietnamese and Japanese for disagree with Chinese.

What make these Chinese more stinks are they hide behind other ethnic to verbal attack whoever against China. That happens a lot online, these filthy Chinese even pretend as Vietnamese to attack Philippines.
 
Both Japan and Germany are in G7, it would not make any sense for Germany dislike Japan. Not to mention, Germans in general love Japanese culture. Anyone here heard of Tokio Hotel? Like I said, only true Chinaman in Germany got irk and attack both Vietnamese and Japanese for disagree with Chinese.

What make these Chinese more stinks are they hide behind other ethnic to verbal attack whoever against China. That happens a lot online, these filthy Chinese even pretend as Vietnamese to attack Philippines.

Wow, what logic. So, Anti-Amerikanismus (anti-americanism) that is so prevalent in Germany and France must also be invented by Chinese, because how can we ever dislike the US since it's also a member of the G7 group.

Viet logic, indeed! :lol:
 
Godwin's Law at its worst. But what more can I expect from Viet logic?

Did someone step on your plate? Still sorrow about Viet logic? aww I didn't know you have such a tiny heart. :dirol:

is there any report that he is corrupt?
don´t talk nonsense if you don´t have any proof!


Ich habe auch was gegen Arroganz besonders mit Leuten wie du.


ha ha ha...you see a bike can carry more than one or two.

Lol, looks like you forgot to look up on Wikipedia about him. Don't judge before you did your own research. Take my wise advice.
 
Lol, looks like you forgot to look up on Wikipedia about him. Don't judge before you did your own research. Take my wise advice.
Rumor said: a young-powerful man Vu Duc Dam will become new VN PM in the next term.. Hes the one who order to cancel Asian game 18 to save Tax.

People believe VN will get stronger with new VN PM

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