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[Wolfhound]

Sir I just read that Pakistan will produce Turkish nurol 4 x 4 vechicle and Turkey will provide systems for AK-1 and Al Zarrar which they are using for Altay and will use in upgradation of there Leopard II

Where did you read it? Can i get the link?

 

[Dazzler]

Alkhalid is their prime worry for many reasons..

Quite advanced FCS (multi process FCS in AK 1)
UNKNOWN type composite armour and ERA
BMS and netcentric warfare capability
Lethal ammo and ecs
Excellent engine+transmission combo makes it a standout performer in desert and plains.

For those who don't know, FCS, armour and netcentric warfare capability in AK 1 is enhanced by magnitude when compared to baseline AK.

Compared to this, the Indian t-90s falls short in these parameter s:

* obsolete simple FCS
* limited battlefield awareness
* ecs issues
* thermal imager not available on some of the fleet
No BMS on t-90s
* obsolete ammo with questionable HEAT only capability, no modern apfsds
* no all round hunter killer ability for multiple target engagement

* no panoramic sight for all round awareness
* limited datalink with intercom only communication

Lastly, there is no auto tracking in Indian t-90 fleet UNLESS they go for the MS version which has LIMITED tracking function for maingun only, unlike in AK with main gun and remote control hmg both have auto tracking available.

Vt-4 was tested for replacements but the team was not impressed with performance. It is at best on par with AK 1 with no other advantages apart of slightly powerful engine.

Cleverly, HIT has tweaked the 6td-2 with new torgue convertor for faster accelerations which compensates the performance difference.

The entire PA fleet is using components, subsystems and FCS modeled on AK FCS system. This includes the type 85, t-80ud, Alzarrars.

 

[thrilainmanila]

[QUOTE="Dazzler, post: 6878257, member: 11574"]Alkhalid is their prime worry for many reasons..

Quite advanced FCS (multi process FCS in AK 1)
UNKNOWN type composite armour and ERA
BMS and netcentric warfare capability
Lethal ammo and ecs
Excellent engine+transmission combo makes it a standout performer in desert and plains.

For those who don't know, FCS, armour and netcentric warfare capability in AK 1 is enhanced by magnitude when compared to baseline AK.

Compared to this, the Indian t-90s falls short in these parameter s:

* obsolete simple FCS
* limited battlefield awareness
* ecs issues
* thermal imager not available on some of the fleet
No BMS on t-90s
* obsolete ammo with questionable HEAT only capability, no modern apfsds
* no all round hunter killer ability for multiple target engagement

* no panoramic sight for all round awareness
* limited datalink with intercom only communication

Lastly, there is no auto tracking in Indian t-90 fleet UNLESS they go for the MS version which has LIMITED tracking function for maingun only, unlike in AK with main gun and remote control hmg both have auto tracking available.

Vt-4 was tested for replacements but the team was not impressed with performance. It is at best on par with AK 1 with no other advantages apart of slightly powerful engine.

Cleverly, HIT has tweaked the 6td-2 with new torgue convertor for faster accelerations which compensates the performance difference.

The entire PA fleet is using components, subsystems and FCS modeled on AK FCS system. This includes the type 85, t-80ud, Alzarrars.[/QUOTE]
having tanks doesn't mean much vis vis india, there airforce will literally pound craters in all our armored formations, without proper SAM cover/ ariel cover, our armored divisions will be go up in smoke just like in longewala back in 71. our goal should be making a SAM belt and having more advanced fighter jets adding new tanks doesn't make a difference. and even without there airforce the indian army have pretty advanced ATGMs. In hindsight i think we need to be investing in IFVs and less in tanks, and have an advanced AT network and SAM network, and armed UAVs/Attack helos.

 

[qamar1990]

Tanks meant to be used against regular armies, penetration of defences, destroying enemies suply lines and eniruling cities without getting in.

for a guerilla war the best weapon is a well trained soldiers.

that is something our "generals" in the army far too slow to think about it or they may thought but they are terrorists supporters so it's not in their favor to do so.

pakistani soldiers probably have the most experience dealing with guerrilla fighters

 

[Zarvan]

Alkhalid is their prime worry for many reasons..

Quite advanced FCS (multi process FCS in AK 1)
UNKNOWN type composite armour and ERA
BMS and netcentric warfare capability
Lethal ammo and ecs
Excellent engine+transmission combo makes it a standout performer in desert and plains.

For those who don't know, FCS, armour and netcentric warfare capability in AK 1 is enhanced by magnitude when compared to baseline AK.

Compared to this, the Indian t-90s falls short in these parameter s:

* obsolete simple FCS
* limited battlefield awareness
* ecs issues
* thermal imager not available on some of the fleet
No BMS on t-90s
* obsolete ammo with questionable HEAT only capability, no modern apfsds
* no all round hunter killer ability for multiple target engagement

* no panoramic sight for all round awareness
* limited datalink with intercom only communication

Lastly, there is no auto tracking in Indian t-90 fleet UNLESS they go for the MS version which has LIMITED tracking function for maingun only, unlike in AK with main gun and remote control hmg both have auto tracking available.

Vt-4 was tested for replacements but the team was not impressed with performance. It is at best on par with AK 1 with no other advantages apart of slightly powerful engine.

Cleverly, HIT has tweaked the 6td-2 with new torgue convertor for faster accelerations which compensates the performance difference.

The entire PA fleet is using components, subsystems and FCS modeled on AK FCS system. This includes the type 85, t-80ud, Alzarrars.

@balixd Here @Dazzler is saying Pakistan not impressed with MBT-3000 by the way @Dazzler What engine will be used in AK-1 one page on facebook suggests 1400 HP

 

[Zarvan]

Alkhalid is their prime worry for many reasons..

Quite advanced FCS (multi process FCS in AK 1)
UNKNOWN type composite armour and ERA
BMS and netcentric warfare capability
Lethal ammo and ecs
Excellent engine+transmission combo makes it a standout performer in desert and plains.

For those who don't know, FCS, armour and netcentric warfare capability in AK 1 is enhanced by magnitude when compared to baseline AK.

Compared to this, the Indian t-90s falls short in these parameter s:

* obsolete simple FCS
* limited battlefield awareness
* ecs issues
* thermal imager not available on some of the fleet
No BMS on t-90s
* obsolete ammo with questionable HEAT only capability, no modern apfsds
* no all round hunter killer ability for multiple target engagement

* no panoramic sight for all round awareness
* limited datalink with intercom only communication

Lastly, there is no auto tracking in Indian t-90 fleet UNLESS they go for the MS version which has LIMITED tracking function for maingun only, unlike in AK with main gun and remote control hmg both have auto tracking available.

Vt-4 was tested for replacements but the team was not impressed with performance. It is at best on par with AK 1 with no other advantages apart of slightly powerful engine.

Cleverly, HIT has tweaked the 6td-2 with new torgue convertor for faster accelerations which compensates the performance difference.

The entire PA fleet is using components, subsystems and FCS modeled on AK FCS system. This includes the type 85, t-80ud, Alzarrars.

VT 4 was tested to replace what and which Tanks

 

[kaonalpha]

Vt 4 spotted in ammangarh

 

[Malik Alashter]

pakistani soldiers probably have the most experience dealing with guerrilla fighters

You still need a course training dedicated to deal with the terrorism.

 

[Zarvan]

Vt 4 spotted in ammangarh

Where you spotted it ??????????

Vt 4 spotted in ammangarh

Post the pictures mate not just news @balixd this member is claiming he saw VT 4 at ammangarh

 

[I FLY HIGH]

You still need a course training dedicated to deal with the terrorism.

still better than iraqi and USA forces . It is much better in Pakistan as terrorist hide outs are crushed and all the land is reclaimed .

 

[Zarvan]

You still need a course training dedicated to deal with the terrorism.

We are far better trained Mr last 10 years we have improved training massively

 

[Bornubus]

Alkhalid is their prime worry for many reasons..

Quite advanced FCS (multi process FCS in AK 1)
UNKNOWN type composite armour and ERA
BMS and netcentric warfare capability
Lethal ammo and ecs
Excellent engine+transmission combo makes it a standout performer in desert and plains.

For those who don't know, FCS, armour and netcentric warfare capability in AK 1 is enhanced by magnitude when compared to baseline AK.

Compared to this, the Indian t-90s falls short in these parameter s:

* obsolete simple FCS
* limited battlefield awareness
* ecs issues
* thermal imager not available on some of the fleet
No BMS on t-90s
* obsolete ammo with questionable HEAT only capability, no modern apfsds
* no all round hunter killer ability for multiple target engagement

* no panoramic sight for all round awareness
* limited datalink with intercom only communication

Lastly, there is no auto tracking in Indian t-90 fleet UNLESS they go for the MS version which has LIMITED tracking function for maingun only, unlike in AK with main gun and remote control hmg both have auto tracking available.

Vt-4 was tested for replacements but the team was not impressed with performance. It is at best on par with AK 1 with no other advantages apart of slightly powerful engine.

Cleverly, HIT has tweaked the 6td-2 with new torgue convertor for faster accelerations which compensates the performance difference.

The entire PA fleet is using components, subsystems and FCS modeled on AK FCS system. This includes the type 85, t-80ud, Alzarrars.

Those shortfalls you mentioned were from....earlier batch of 300 T-90S....all other remaining 1600 + .... T90 will be ... Improved T90M and T90MS upgraded by Israeli's are 1.5 times more efficient....than older variants.

TRISHUL: India’s ‘Born Again’ T-90M MBT

 

[Malik Alashter]

still better than iraqi and USA forces . It is much better in Pakistan as terrorist hide outs are crushed and all the land is reclaimed .

Well bro Iraqis never had the chance to train the better way you should have the time and the experiace also to train your soldiers.

But, even today Iraqis are dong good when they depended on their own to day the news is aswomethe PMF kicking some A$$es so far.

 

[Amaa'n]

not trying to question your analysis but VT4 arrived in Pakistan only last month, so idk what makes you say this that PA was not happy with VT4 performance......how could they evaluate the performance under a month time?

Alkhalid is their prime worry for many reasons..

Quite advanced FCS (multi process FCS in AK 1)
UNKNOWN type composite armour and ERA
BMS and netcentric warfare capability
Lethal ammo and ecs
Excellent engine+transmission combo makes it a standout performer in desert and plains.

For those who don't know, FCS, armour and netcentric warfare capability in AK 1 is enhanced by magnitude when compared to baseline AK.

Compared to this, the Indian t-90s falls short in these parameter s:

* obsolete simple FCS
* limited battlefield awareness
* ecs issues
* thermal imager not available on some of the fleet
No BMS on t-90s
* obsolete ammo with questionable HEAT only capability, no modern apfsds
* no all round hunter killer ability for multiple target engagement

* no panoramic sight for all round awareness
* limited datalink with intercom only communication

Lastly, there is no auto tracking in Indian t-90 fleet UNLESS they go for the MS version which has LIMITED tracking function for maingun only, unlike in AK with main gun and remote control hmg both have auto tracking available.

Vt-4 was tested for replacements but the team was not impressed with performance. It is at best on par with AK 1 with no other advantages apart of slightly powerful engine.

Cleverly, HIT has tweaked the 6td-2 with new torgue convertor for faster accelerations which compensates the performance difference.

The entire PA fleet is using components, subsystems and FCS modeled on AK FCS system. This includes the type 85, t-80ud, Alzarrars.

 

[Malik Alashter]

We are far better trained Mr last 10 years we have improved training massively

Do you use your own courses or using course training from other nation.