Maybe Pakistan should start thinking about creating another nuclear power in the shape of Turkey.

[The Accountant]

I disagree with you too. It took only three new and young PhD's in Physics (that too in 1967) to design a working nuclear bomb in three years. So, you can imagine how readily it can be developed with low yields and when we look at both our countries, we detonated only a couple of times. So, what are the odds a country with enough experienced scientists developing a working bomb with a known delivery system?

All these nations you mentioned, decided against (Not sure about Turkey if they had plans though) developing Nuclear weapons. That's the only reason they don't have them.

Sir designing a nuclear bomb and actually have a practical nuclear bomb are two different things ... Later requires a speciallized industrial base providing you specialized material and delivery mechanism as well ...

Furthermore, in 1967, access to such material was easy in black market by now adays there are lot more checks ...

It is similar to the fact that designing an RDX based bomb is way to easy but getting manufacturing RDX, detonating same in a controlled manner, timing it accurately and delivering at a particular place at a particular is a whole new science and require lot of expertise ...

You detonated a bomb of an inefficient yield, for which you did not have any delivery mechanism and to pack that in a bomb-sized object was not possible for you at that time so it means it was mere an achievement of non-workable technology ...

My point is the capability to make a nuclear bomb is easy but the capability to make a war ready nuclear bomb at large scale is not that easy ... Anyways lets agree to disagree as it is a subjective matter so both of us can have different point of views ...

 

[Chhatrapati]

Sir designing a nuclear bomb and actually have a practical nuclear bomb are two different things ... Later requires a speciallized industrial base providing you specialized material and delivery mechanism as well ...

Furthermore, in 1967, access to such material was easy in black market by now adays there are lot more checks ...

It is similar to the fact that designing an RDX based bomb is way to easy but getting manufacturing RDX, detonating same in a controlled manner, timing it accurately and delivering at a particular place at a particular is a whole new science and require lot of expertise ...

You detonated a bomb of an inefficient yield, for which you did not have any delivery mechanism and to pack that in a bomb-sized object was not possible for you at that time so it means it was mere an achievement of non-workable technology ...

My point is the capability to make a nuclear bomb is easy but the capability to make a war ready nuclear bomb at large scale is not that easy ... Anyways lets agree to disagree as it is a subjective matter so both of us can have different point of views ...

Please re-read my comment. I said, they can develop a nuclear weapon when they have a proper delivery mechanism and fissile materials. Take a look at the countries who have ballistic missiles. Or potentially can have ballistic missiles, they all fall under same categories. The US knows it, that's why they get nervous when countries test missiles.

And unfortunately, your point is wrong. A working Nuclear bomb is possible, although that may not be easy, it's possible, and war-ready is just a comforting name. All the weapons are war ready if a country like (Say) South Africa really wish to develop a WMD, they can do that in few months that's the easy part. The hard part is facing the international pressure and isolation. It's not cold war times anymore.

 

[truthseer]

Well I agree with you.. but at the same time I would say that nukes are not the solution. Instead, Pakistan should work on bringing Turkey closer to China.. and get China's help in getting closer to Russia.. scarp dollar, increase trade and work on modernizing conventional weapons..

China and Russia or NATO and US? Unlike us, Turkey will be happier with NATO.

What would be better for both Turkey and us would be to place our weapons thier to "protect" Turkey. This provides them with a nuclear umbrella (can they trust the NATO one?) without the political pressure of becoming a nuclear state.

Yes, because if Russia attacks Turkey, entire Europe knows it's next.

 

[313ghazi]

China and Russia or NATO and US? Unlike us, Turkey will be happier with NATO.


Yes, because if Russia attacks Turkey, entire Europe knows it's next.

It's 2018 not 1980. Russia and Turkey are allies and cooperating in Syria against American interests. Americans consider Turkey a bigger threat than Iran (these are the words of the trump administration not me).

 

[truthseer]

It's 2018 not 1980. Russia and Turkey are allies and cooperating in Syria against American interests. Americans consider Turkey a bigger threat than Iran (these are the words of the trump administration not me).

And Turkey is part of NATO. Russia and Turkey are hardly fast friends, they are cooperating in a difficult position, but Turkey still allies itself with the West.

Regardless, we can't just go about distributing nukes like Mithai. Do people want to become North Korea?

 

[Yaseen1]

Pakistan should store some nukes in turkey bases which is enough

 

[313ghazi]

And Turkey is part of NATO. Russia and Turkey are hardly fast friends, they are cooperating in a difficult position, but Turkey still allies itself with the West.

Regardless, we can't just go about distributing nukes like Mithai. Do people want to become North Korea?

We made North Korea. Do you think AQ Khan acted alone?! If Iran and Libya had more courage today they also would be North Korea. Not a single bullet has been fired at North Korea. Americans fear North Korea and prepare for the consequences of a North Korean attack. It's a great model.

America and Russia host thier weapons wherever they like, we could do the same.

 

[truthseer]

We made North Korea. Do you think AQ Khan acted alone?! If Iran and Libya had more courage today they also would be North Korea. Not a single bullet has been fired at North Korea. Americans fear North Korea and prepare for the consequences of a North Korean attack. It's a great model.

Their citizens also starve and have no quality of life. Excellent model. Their leader kills them instead of Americans.

We don't need to distribute nukes anyway. Just make a Muslim NATO with us having nukes, and others being under our "protection"

America and Russia host thier weapons wherever they like, we could do the same.

Which is not the same as giving nuclear power to Turkey. Btw, Turkey already has American nukes

 

[313ghazi]

Their citizens also starve and have no quality of life. Excellent model. Their leader kills them instead of Americans.

We don't need to distribute nukes anyway. Just make a Muslim NATO with us having nukes, and others being under our "protection"


Which is not the same as giving nuclear power to Turkey. Btw, Turkey already has American nukes

Iran is under the same sanctions and is thriving.

 

[The Accountant]

Please re-read my comment. I said, they can develop a nuclear weapon when they have a proper delivery mechanism and fissile materials. Take a look at the countries who have ballistic missiles. Or potentially can have ballistic missiles, they all fall under same categories. The US knows it, that's why they get nervous when countries test missiles.

And unfortunately, your point is wrong. A working Nuclear bomb is possible, although that may not be easy, it's possible, and war-ready is just a comforting name. All the weapons are war ready if a country like (Say) South Africa really wish to develop a WMD, they can do that in few months that's the easy part. The hard part is facing the international pressure and isolation. It's not cold war times anymore.

Iran is trying to make a nuclear bomb from decades ... They have ballistic missiles and lot of other missiles as well but are unsuccessfull ..

Dont make sweeping statements ... If international pressure had been the only issue countries like libya, cuba and brazil would have done ages ago as they give a shit to international pressure ...

Thats my last message on this topic as this is a non productive discussion ...

 

[KapitaanAli]

Technically, making nuclear bombs is within the capability of many countries.
It's the miniaturization and a desirable yield that's the b!tch. It needs tremendous industrial capability.

Nobody wants a fat b!tch that can be delivered only with a Satan2 and still won't take out a village.

It's not like they can deliver it with a Boeing 747 either.

 

[Bouncer]

This piece should be seen in the context of the obvious coming US sanctions in the next months against Pakistan, so it wouldnt really matter even if the yanks found out.

Apart from Pakistan, Turkey has proven itself to be, time and again, the only other country amongst the Islamic world, mature, responsible, professional, capable and stable enough to be a nuclear power. The turks are proving their diplomatic will and national freedom to the world under Erdogan by standing up for certain issues. Pakistan has long since carried the mantle of bieng the sole muslim nuclearpower and we have paid very very dearly for that. Maybe it is time another nuclear power popped up to stand beside Pakistan. It would go a long way in increasing the global power of the Islamic world with not one but two extremely smart and powerful nuclear powers standing side by side in dettering our collective enemies from their nefrarious designs. Covert transfer of nuclear and advanced ballistic missle technology(MIRV and tactical straightup) from Pakistan to Turkey could see the latter attaining the mantle they deserve and should've got by now of standing beside the select group of nations impregnable to attack from outside forces. Heaven's know it would help Pakistan, not to be the only one. Frankly, we feel lonely in this realm.

No sanctions are coming till the US clears out of Afghanistan. And at the risk of offending a lot of people here: Turkey is on a dangerous path under Erdogan. His populist policies and delusions of being the "big brother" of Middle East might prove disastrous for the people of Turkey and the region around them. The best thing Turkey can do right now is to keep working on their economy and democracy.

Our friends in Turkey do not really need nuclear weapons. And they certainly wouldn't need our help if they ever want to get their hands dirty.

Finally you are missing a very important point here. Any serious decision in Turkey to acquire nukes will certainly mean pivotal shift in their regional and global alliances. Russia and China would be more than happy to have another proxy nation in exchange for nukes. Turks will have to completely shift away their economic and military interest from EU/US. You just have to look at Turkey's trade figures to understand how big a shift this will be.

My heart says yes but my brain says no way. Even Pakistan cannot challenge the US, Russia and China at the same time because all of them - regardless of any conflict - share the same opinion on Turkey (and any other Muslim majority nation): no nukes.

Hey! Don't underestimate our stupidity. We are known to get in to fights where we don't belong

 

[truthseer]

Iran is under the same sanctions and is thriving.

Iran were so far ahead of Turkey and are now well behind Turkey.

Link because img isn't working for some reason
http://www.sde.org.tr/userfiles/image/ING MAKALE 3.bmp

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Ever heard of the Nth country experiment?

Doesn't mean a jack. Designing something on paper or computer is useless if you don't have the engineering capability as a nation. Fissile material aside even triggering machinism require considerable scientific expertise. Then there is a matter of miniturizing the warhead which your country is failing miserably.

Bottom line, if making nukes was as easy as you making it sound like, there wont be limited number of nations having this capability.

 

[waz]

It's an opinion piece that has had it's day. Thank you for the contributions but this cannot happen for a myriad of reasons.