Maulana Tariq Jamel links with TTp ? (Zaid Hamid)

[Preacher]

his followers need to understand how could his single statement against the TTp could help in the fight against TTp. If he speak out and declare them as terrorists. Certainly all of his followers will have a clear understand of the enemy. his every follower will try to do something against it more importantly his students.

zaid hamid i not like tariq jamil, but zaid hammid u r made, and u need to be put in Chariya ward.

LOL please type properly, he may personally hate tariq jameel but his statement makes some sense keep your head out of the sand please. okay evene if Zaid hamid had some issues with him why doesn't Tariq jameel sahib shut such critics by finally declaring TTp as terrorists as the enemy of islam ?

 

[Danish saleem]

his followers need to understand how could his single statement against the TTp could help in the fight against TTp. If he speak out and declare them as terrorists. Certainly all of his followers will have a clear understand of the enemy. his every follower will try to do something against it more importantly his students.



LOL please type properly, he may personally hate tariq jameel but his statement makes some sense keep your head out of the sand please. okay evene if Zaid hamid had some issues with him why doesn't Tariq jameel sahib shut such critics by finally declaring TTp as terrorists as the enemy of islam ?

u seriously take zaid hamid as a serious person.

Enjoy him.

 

[Preacher]

u seriously take zaid hamid as a serious person.

Enjoy him.

I just enjoyed the source. Jew News

 

[Danish saleem]

I just enjoyed the source. Jew News

better then the news Chanel of Tahir ul Qadri ARY.!

 

[Kaleem Lohani]

Eh i am not a fan of any of them tbh but it's a bit hard to trust zaid hamid too

great

 

[Khan_21]

I think it is because of this speech after Quetta blast .

What's our ulema's problem with martyrdom and telling people to go sacrifice ? Why cant we just live for the country? .

Apart from this speech I find Tariq jameel quiet soft spoken . His speeches are mostly on good character , Human rights , unity and preaching of not hating others .

 

[Silverblaze]

Ok go after him, but why not against JI, and Both JUIs? Did the people go after Hameed Gul and his son when they openly called for hanging musharraf in a speech in Lal Masjid?

 

[Preacher]

Ok go after him, but why not against JI, and Both JUIs? Did the people go after Hameed Gul and his son when they openly called for hanging musharraf in a speech in Lal Masjid?

Why not ? drag everyone involved!

 

[shhh]

Hello dear PDFians,
I just came across this post on my facebook timeline which actually makes some sense - at least to me - I'm not a blind supporter of anyone I wanted to know your views on his statement ?
has anyone ever heard MTJ saying anything against TTp. Also Zaid Hamid a reliable source ?

@Horus sir your take on this please.

Lol, it is true because Zaid Hamid said it is?

Dont you (and I am pointing at all of you) realize that while you are accusing his supporters to be "blind", you are doing the same when following Zaid Hamid? dont you? Where is his evidence?

Lol.

Anyway, Tariq Jameel had no links to military organizations let alone be banned from them .

And the logic that "if you dont speak against him, you are a supporter of them", is flawed and goes against the very spirit of Islam (innocent until proven guilty) Zaid Hamid or anyone has never provided evidence against MTJ or Tabligi Jamat.

My local Masjid imam has not spoken against MQM either (so he must be a supporter of MQM, ignoring the fact that we live in an MQM dominated area).

Now here is something.

1. MTJ is not a mufti (so he cant give a fatwa against anyone).
2. MTJ is not the head of Tabiligi Jamat. This is important, because he is not the one who sets the direction of Tabiligi jamat and 99% of you people do not know about the head of the Tabligi Jamat.
3. MTJ is not the top alim of Tabligi Jamat, he is a famous one.
4. To every person who is part of Tabligi Jamat, it is normally communicated to stay away from TTP and the likes.
5. Tabiligi Jamat is older than TTP and co (it is almost 100 years old).
6. Tabiligi Jamat has not spoken in favor of TTP and co either.
7. Tabligi Jamat has been accused of denying the concept of Jihad by legitimate jihadi groups (you dont need to promote Jihad to bring people to Islam).
8. Tabligi Jamat has not specifically spoken against any other evil group either, TTP is relatively new, it simply is not in the spirit of Tabiligi Jamat's concept, the focus is on staying away from all evil.
9. The sin/evil that TTP is known for is killing innocent people (Muslims and Non-Muslims) and this has been specifically, time and again, communicated to be wrong by both MTJ specifically and Tabligi Jamat in general.
10. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against MQM either.
11. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against PPP either.
    
12. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against PMLN either (remember model town?).
    
13. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against ANP either.
    
14. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against Jamat-e-Islami either.
    
15. Asking for a fatwa against terrorism is like asking for a fatwa against killing, adultery, drinking or such other things that have been specifically banned in Quran (you dont need a fatwa to ban something that has been banned in Quran).
16. Tabligi Jamat was not banned from universities for harboring terrorists, they were banned because terrorists claimed to be a part of Tabligi jamat.
17. There has never been a single evidence of Tabligi Jamat's support of any terrorists.
18. The problem with Zaid Hamid is, he for some reason hates deobands and MTJ is deoband.... so you can connect the dots.

No I am not a deoband or brelvi or Ahl-e-Hadith (salafi) or Wahabi (which is not even a sect).

 

[Preacher]

I think it is because of this speech after Quetta blast .

What's our ulema's problem with martyrdom and telling people to go sacrifice ? Why cant we just live for the country? .

Apart from this speech I find Tariq jameel quiet soft spoken . His speeches are mostly on good character , Human rights , unity and preaching of not hating others .

So instead of telling TTp to stop killing innocents he's defending them by saying those who are killed are martyred. he is ultimately silent on terrorism

Lol, it is true because Zaid Hamid said it is?

Dont you (and I am pointing at all of you) realize that while you are accusing his supporters to be "blind", you are doing the same when following Zaid Hamid? dont you? Where is his evidence?

Lol.

Anyway, Tariq Jameel had no links to military organizations let alone be banned from them .

And the logic that "if you dont speak against him, you are a supporter of them", is flawed and goes against the very spirit of Islam (innocent until proven guilty) Tariq Jameel or anyone has never provided evidence against MTJ or Tabligi Jamat.

My local Masjid imam has not spoken against MQM either (so he must be a supporter of MQM, ignoring the fact that we live in an MQM dominated area).

Now here is something.

1. MTJ is not a mufti (so he cant give a fatwa against anyone).
2. MTJ is not the head of Tabiligi Jamat. This is important, because he is not the one who sets the direction of Tabiligi jamat and 99% of you people do not know about the head of the Tabligi Jamat.
3. MTJ is not the top alim of Tabligi Jamat, he is a famous one.
4. To every person who is part of Tabligi Jamat, it is normally communicated to stay away from TTP and the likes.
5. Tabiligi Jamat is older than TTP and co (it is almost 100 years old).
6. Tabiligi Jamat has not spoken in favor of TTP and co either.
7. Tabligi Jamat has been accused of denying the concept of Jihad by legitimate jihadi groups (you dont need to promote Jihad to bring people to Islam).
8. Tabligi Jamat has not specifically spoken against any other evil group either, TTP is relatively new, it simply is not in the spirit of Tabiligi Jamat's concept, the focus is on staying away from all evil.
9. The sin/evil that TTP is known for is killing innocent people (Muslims and Non-Muslims) and this has been specifically, time and again, communicated to be wrong by both MTJ specifically and Tabligi Jamat in general.
10. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against MQM either.
11. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against PPP either.
    
12. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against PMLN either (remember model town?).
    
13. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against ANP either.
    
14. Tabligi Jamat has not spoken in favor/against Jamat-e-Islami either.
    
15. Asking for a fatwa against terrorism is like asking for a fatwa against killing, adultery, drinking or such other things that have been specifically banned in Quran (you dont need a fatwa to ban something that has been banned in Quran).
16. Tabligi Jamat was not banned from universities for harboring terrorists, they were banned because terrorists claimed to be a part of Tabligi jamat.
17. There has never been a single evidence of Tabligi Jamat's support of any terrorists.
18. The problem with Zaid Hamid is, he for some reason hates deobands and MTJ is deoband.... so you can connect the dots.

No I am not a deoband or brelvi or Ahl-e-Hadith (salafi) or Wahabi (which is not even a sect).

I'm not following Zaid Hamid ( As I already mentioned in my post ) I'm just asking why MTJ sahib always turn a blind eye whenever it comes to TTp being of the most respected & heard Alim he can make a difference in the society by his statements I believe he has to be clear on what side he is on. Just saying those who are killed are martyred is not enough. I myself has never heard him speaking against TTp and declaring them as the enemy of Islam. What is he mean by just praising the martyrs ? like I don't care if they're killed innocent but since they got martyred I will just stay quite

 

[shhh]

I'm not following Zaid Hamid ( As I already mentioned in my post ) I'm just asking why MTJ sahib always turn a blind eye whenever it comes to TTp being of the most respected & heard Alim he can make a difference in the society by his statements I believe he has to be clear on what side he is on. Just saying those who are killed are martyred is not enough. I myself has never heard him speaking against TTp and declaring them as the enemy of Islam. What is he mean by just praising the martyrs ? like I don't care if they're killed innocent but since they got martyred I will just stay quite

Bro, targeting a specific group/taking sides has not been the spirit of Tabligi Jamat for a 100 years!
TTP is relatively new, we have seen similar evils before (well okay, nothing like TTP).

Before them there were groups who abducted children, groups that killed people, etc.

There is some wisdom in it, the concept is that even if a person has ruined his dunya, he still should get a chance in Akhira.

Remember back in 92 when there was an operation against MQM... because they were terrorizing people?

When the operation started, a number of people ran away, some escaped to raiwand and joined Tabligi jamat, which later changed them and they stopped supporting the evil ways of MQM, (how do you think MQM got this "sathi sathi" thing? )

Will any person from MQM/ANP/PPP/etc join Tabligi Jamat if his party was declared terrorists by Tabligi Jamat? think about it.

Tabligi Jamat accepts people of any type, for example just a few years ago, a Tabligi group went to a jungle in Malaysya (Or Indonesia).

There, they worked on cannibals (people... who eat people ).

That was a tribe of around 3000 people, they all converted to Islam.

You have to think hard, the sahabas R.A who joined Prophet S.A.W had committed sins so horrible as burying their daughters alive.

Prophet S.A.W accepted them too.

 

[X-2.]

Hello dear PDFians,
I just came across this post on my facebook timeline which actually makes some sense - at least to me - I'm not a blind supporter of anyone I wanted to know your views on his statement ?
has anyone ever heard MTJ saying anything against TTp. Also Zaid Hamid a reliable source ?

@Horus sir your take on this please.

Maulana tariq jameel preach for peace and love towards Islam
He is doing g gud job so pls don't involve him this sh** as he doesn't go against anyone rather try to teach pp! Wd better and peaceful way
Zaid Hamid Need to proof rather just accusing the one of humble human in our community

 

[Preacher]

Maulana tariq jameel preach for peace and love towards Islam
He is doing g gud job so pls don't involve him this sh** as he doesn't go against anyone rather try to teach pp! Wd better and peaceful way
Zaid Hamid Need to proof rather just accusing the one of humble human in our community

Will you.....Keep preaching the peace while the enemy kills your children ?

 

[X-2.]

Will you.....Keep preaching the peace while the enemy kills your children ?

Pls understand my point!! Mtj is better then other scholars and mtj is just trying to make people mind out of extremism! everyone has his own role ! I agree He should condeme the ttp etc loudly

 

[shhh]

Will you.....Keep preaching the peace while the enemy kills your children ?

Its weird, because your nickname is preacher

Anyway, in Islam, it is not allowed for a person without authority to take action against a particular group/person.