Maulana Fazl defends Afghan Taliban’s flags in Azadi March

[VCheng]

@PakSword can you and @Retired Troll explain to me why Indian Generals are celebrating Fazlu March?

Imagine if there were a Khalistan Freedom March causing disruption in Delhi and demanding the government resign. What would we be thinking?

 

[Shane]

Imagine if there were a Khalistan Freedom March causing disruption in Delhi and demanding the government resign. What would we be thinking?

Dreams like those don't come as easy as that dear ... it takes years of effort to create such assets as the ones we are dealing with.

 

[VCheng]

Dreams like those don't come as easy as that dear ... it takes years of effort to create such assets as the ones we are dealing with.

Both sides are entitled to try their best to create whatever assets they feel are the most useful for them. Both sides. That is how this game is played.

 

[LeGenD]

Brilliant post. It is a real tragedy that most Pakistanis are oblivious to this fact. Remember , we are only concerned with the well being of Pakistan. We must be incredibly selfish when it comes to national interest of Pakistan.

Salafis by and large have been problematic to Pakistan. What is the guarantee that once US leaves Afghanistan, the very same groups that are not attacking us right now will not attack us then ? What if Afghan Taliban becomes embolden after the defeat of US and attack KPK because after all , all afghans are unanimous on the fact that they do not accept durand line as international border ?

Thank you.

I share similar concern, bro.

Afghan Taliban = LEFT
ISIS-K = CENTER (blatant Salafi Jihadism)
TTP = RIGHT

Read this: https://www.mei.edu/publications/iskp-afghanistans-new-salafi-jihadism

The founding father of TTP movement Baitullah Mehsud (assassinated by US in 2009), was also a member of the Afghan Taliban and had sworn allegiance to Mullah Omar. Afghan Taliban reportedly disowned him for harming Pakistan but they never attempted to suppress TTP movement: https://ctc.usma.edu/the-complicated-relationship-between-the-afghan-and-pakistani-taliban/

"From the Afghan Taliban’s perspective, despite their disapproval of Pakistani Taliban attacks inside Pakistan, they are hesitant to disown the TTP mainly because they need Pakistani Taliban support in the tribal regions to maintain their safe havens and sanctuaries, as well as to recruit Pashtun tribesmen to fight in neighboring Afghanistan.

Therefore, long-term interests as well as strategic expediencies are keeping both the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban—including the TTP—together despite having different approaches to the conflict in South Asia. Various reports also suggest that the Afghan Taliban sometimes leverages the Haqqani network to help maintain peace between the TTP and other Afghan or Pakistani Taliban factions in the tribal areas."

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ISIS-K contain former members of Afghan Taliban, TTP, and even Uzbek militants, and its resilience have surprised even Americans:

https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...hters-despite-hellacious-fight-to-destroy-it/

ISIS-K is responsible for executing some of the worst terrorist attacks in the history of Afghanistan (Afghan government and Kabul being primary targets), and this regime have its eyes set on Pakistan and even India. Although, US have done a lot to prevent ISIS-K from expanding in the region, Trump administration want to pull the plug on Afghanistan (Pentagon is strongly opposing this move though).

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-deploys-f-16-fighting-falcons-to-afghanistan.html

ISIS-K is a major reason why US decided to have talks with the Afghan Taliban. And WE all know how these talks turned out.

No wait! Afghan Taliban all good.

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All of these organizations are SHADY and cannot be trusted. But our own Imran Khan want to talk PEACE with these guys. His speeches in US were very enlightening as well.

 

[Shane]

Both sides are entitled to try their best to create whatever assets they feel are the most useful for them. Both sides. That is how this game is played.

Yes, two can play this game indeed. We were suffering from low platelets for the past decade or so and unable to play this game but forfeited the field, retired hurt monkey business or something. Don't worry though, Kartarpura will have its positive effects on injuries of the past in due time.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, two can play this game indeed. We were suffering from low platelets for the past decade or so and unable to play this game but forfeited the field, retired hurt monkey business or something. Don't worry though, Kartarpura will have its positive effects on injuries of the past in due time.

Excellent. There is no problem with any of what you have said. The innings continue.

 

[LeGenD]

India is fortunate, in the sense, that Pakistan is replete with her assets. Their quantum in Pakistan is unimaginable and unfathomable.

Paychecks man! Paychecks.

The RAW power of paychecks trumps everything else.

Paisa phankhoo ; naach gaana deikho ; mehbooba o mehbooba....

 

[pakpride00090]

Thank you.

I share similar concern, bro.

Afghan Taliban = LEFT
ISIS-K = CENTER (blatant Salafi Jihadism)
TTP = RIGHT

Read this: https://www.mei.edu/publications/iskp-afghanistans-new-salafi-jihadism

The founding father of TTP movement Baitullah Mehsud (assassinated by US in 2009), was also a member of the Afghan Taliban and had sworn allegiance to Mullah Omar. Afghan Taliban reportedly disowned him for harming Pakistan but they never attempted to suppress TTP movement: https://ctc.usma.edu/the-complicated-relationship-between-the-afghan-and-pakistani-taliban/

"From the Afghan Taliban’s perspective, despite their disapproval of Pakistani Taliban attacks inside Pakistan, they are hesitant to disown the TTP mainly because they need Pakistani Taliban support in the tribal regions to maintain their safe havens and sanctuaries, as well as to recruit Pashtun tribesmen to fight in neighboring Afghanistan.

Therefore, long-term interests as well as strategic expediencies are keeping both the Afghan and Pakistani Taliban—including the TTP—together despite having different approaches to the conflict in South Asia. Various reports also suggest that the Afghan Taliban sometimes leverages the Haqqani network to help maintain peace between the TTP and other Afghan or Pakistani Taliban factions in the tribal areas."

--- --- ---

ISIS-K contain former members of Afghan Taliban, TTP, and even Uzbek militants, and its resilience have surprised even Americans:

https://www.militarytimes.com/flash...hters-despite-hellacious-fight-to-destroy-it/

ISIS-K is responsible for executing some of the worst terrorist attacks in the history of Afghanistan (Afghan government and Kabul being primary targets), and this regime have its eyes set on Pakistan and even India. Although, US have done a lot to prevent ISIS-K from expanding in the region, Trump administration want to pull the plug on Afghanistan (Pentagon is strongly opposing this move though).

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-deploys-f-16-fighting-falcons-to-afghanistan.html

ISIS-K is a major reason why US decided to have talks with the Afghan Taliban. And WE all know how these talks turned out.

No wait! Afghan Taliban all good.

--- --- ---

All of these organizations are SHADY and cannot be trusted. But our own Imran Khan want to talk PEACE with these guys. His speeches in US were very enlightening as well.

A boy is given a horse on his 14th birthday. Everyone in the village says, “Oh how wonderful.” But a Zen master who lives in the village says, “We'll see.” 'The boy falls off the horse and breaks his foot. Everyone in the village says, “Oh how awful.” The Zen master says, “We'll see.” The village is thrown into war and all the young men have to go to war. But, because of the broken foot, the boy stays behind. Everyone says, “Oh, how wonderful.” The Zen master says, “We'll see.”

 

[H. Dawary]

Reading these posts I don't know if it became more of a comedy as it dragged on, or was it really a tragedy?

The question of Fazul Rehman aside as that isn't my business to discuss the internal matters of Pakistan. What I really want to know from every Pakistani on here is; What is it that you hope for Pakistan to be?

Many of you here have your ideals mixed up as you voice your support for Islam, but then comes the doubts and you all voice the dangers that come with Islam. The responses here are daunting from an outside observer who is an Afghan. So now you see the Taliban as a potential enemy?

The Taliban have never issued any threats or posed any danger to Pakistan, have you all forgotten the years from 1996-2001, those were perhaps the best years for Pakistan as there was never a security threat from Afghanistan as there is today, the only worry was India and we Afghans were a real ally to you, unlike Iran or China who are only allies out of interest.

Ask yourselves Pakistanis, do you want an ally a true ally that will be there for you, or do you just want enemies on all sides and vulture waiting to eat at you as you stagnate?

However, that isn't the real question here, the real question here truly is what do you all stand for? Pakistan was created on the basis of Islam, and yet the more you people drift away from it the more you people put yourselves in trouble. 9/11 was a testament to that, and when Allah said don't ally yourselves with non-believers, you did just that and look what it cost you in the end, and now many of you are scared of Muslims (Taliban) when you yourselves are Muslim. Are you people really that easy to deceive? Remember that your foundations were came from Islam, and the moment you abandon that, will be also be the moment when ruin will not be that far away.

 

[El Sidd]

Were they to be spared if they go against the state and try damaging public transport and business ?

Lets bring those who attacked PTV and Parliament and made Islamabad a drug cafe first

Tell this to India when they present this to FATF that look donations goes here.

Or start preparing a blame to put on IK when this thing happens.

India is just one vote and is only a superpower in your mind.

 

[Riz]

Imagine if there were a Khalistan Freedom March causing disruption in Delhi and demanding the government resign. What would we be thinking?

Due to pak support india was able to stop Khalistan movement successfully.. Peaceful countries never supports undemocratic movements in neighboring countries

 

[AZ1]

Lets bring those who attacked PTV and Parliament and made Islamabad a drug cafe first



India is just one vote and is only a superpower in your mind.

Will.see when time comes. Its already started.

 

[VCheng]

Due to pak support india was able to stop Khalistan movement successfully.. Peaceful countries never supports undemocratic movements in neighboring countries

This Pak "support" came only from Benazir's government to shut down the Khalistan movement after being nurtured by General Zia for many years. It was back to the game as usual after that aberrant episode.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Whats the big deal, Wasnt the Afghan Taliban created and funded by Pakistan?

 

[Riz]

This Pak "support" came only from Benazir's government to shut down the Khalistan movement after being nurtured by General Zia for many years. It was back to the game as usual after that aberrant episode.

Lol.. No body can stop or start any movement without the involvement of establishment or military... If Benazir did that it means establishment was on the same page with her at that time