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Math in our madressahs? : Pervez Hoodbhoy

what can i say you have a very narrow perspective based on your one off experience -
Nope, have had many to "generalize"...
And of course i dont have any problem with madressas beating their pupils to death... or near death...
What i have is a problem with them producing minds that sympathize with the terrorists...
 
Nope, have had many to "generalize"...
And of course i dont have any problem with madressas beating their pupils to death... or near death...
What i have is a problem with them producing minds that sympathize with the terrorists...
Yeah-
i was banking on that-
Terrorist sympathizers-
i guess you have never heard of educated morons that go on to become extremists or terrorist syphatizers -
Does that make the whole modern education system wrong?-
 
Yeah-
i was banking on that-
Terrorist sympathizers-
i guess you have never heard of educated morons that go on to become extremists or terrorist syphatizers -
Does that make the whole modern education system wrong?-
too few vs too many... and the best part is, their colleagues condemn their actions... or might i say have the intellect to do so...
 
you talk as if such beatings doesn't happen in schools?- in have read about broken bones and jaws of school kids- and saw first hand a kid been beaten unconscious in school- so?-
Those beatings at schools dont happen in the name of religion.

Wont make a difference teaching these paedophiles math, at best they'll be calculating the exact lengths of their beards using vernier calipers and deciding what circumference of a woman's breasts can be declared haram.
 
too few vs too many... and the best part is, their colleagues condemn their actions... or might i say have the intellect to do so...
too few vs too many- once they cross the line it doesn't matter how much- there must be something wrong-
btw do you know how many madrassas Pakistan have?- if their colleagues envy their actions i am afraid we all would have been dead by now- so your logic is invalid -

Those beatings at schools dont happen in the name of religion.

Wont make a difference teaching these paedophiles math, at best they'll be calculating the exact lengths of their beards using vernier calipers and deciding what circumference of a woman's breasts can be declared haram.
in the name of religion or in the name of homework - the beatings do happen-
There are more aws and ochs in madrassas because thats suppose to be a religious school- there are aws and ochs in schools aswell but then the parents and common people instead of blaming the whole school system blame the teachers-
Do we need to take any mulla with a rediculous fatwa serious? its just like a primary school teacher claiming the newtons laws to be wrong-
but again when its a mulla with a fatwa there is more aws and ochs because its suppose to be religious school-
 
Good step. The madrassas should be revamped and their curriculum should Math , English and Sciences besides Quranic and Religious Education.
 
in the name of religion or in the name of homework - the beatings do happen-
There are more aws and ochs in madrassas because thats suppose to be a religious school- there are aws and ochs in schools aswell but then the parents and common people instead of blaming the whole school system blame the teachers-
Do we need to take any mulla with a rediculous fatwa serious? its just like a primary school teacher claiming the newtons laws to be wrong-
but again when its a mulla with a fatwa there is more aws and ochs because its suppose to be religious school-

Why should there be a religious school in the first place?

The Madressas of old taught everything, starting with the Quran and math.. all the way to medicine and astronomy.
Today's "MADressas" are nothing of the sort and essentially breeding grounds for terrorists and extremists and nothing else. They are houses of fitna that need to be demolished outright and their teachers and supporters jailed.
 
Yes, but almost all of them in Pakistan are guilty of complacency and fueling the production of radicals from what are purportedly 'charitable organizations' dabbling in the trade of faith.

Madrassas are only part of the problem. The real problem is prevalent in all types of Islamic organizations operating in Pakistan.

Case in point: the esteemed Council of Islamic Ideology whose only service in the performance of its constitutional mandate over the past 10 years has only comprised of lowering the female age for marriage and allowing the Muslim male to marry a second spouse without the permission of his first (inter alia other completely useless rulings.). Not once have they convened to consider the radical undertone which the Islamic ideology has been taking on.

Why?

1. The Islamic ideology itself is undergoing radical changes in the country of its origin and also those majority Islamic countries which are Arab. Without Arab input or support an Islamic Renaissance is not possible. The Pakistani mullahs are mere fronts without any backbone.

2. Street power. Diluting the Islamic faith with modern education weakens the grip which a mullah enjoys over his masses.

3. Ineptitude. Having not had a formal education or modern exposure, the mullah himself is incapable of charting a coherent path to the future for an ideology which is essentially his responsibility.

4. Affinity for and unflinching devotion to the Arabs. Pakistanis acquire the inherently flawed trait of declaring unconditional allegiance to the Arab world for the sole reason that we have imported their faith. Having declared our complete resolve to support their every cause, we do so at the unfortunate cost of our own interests. The Pakistani mullah will fan the flames of terror only because the Arabs are doing it too, and to his mind there will be nothing wrong with that.

5. All the reasons in the article above.

Furthermore a ready-supply of fresh, bright, inquisitive, innocent young minds to the madrassah system ensures that the cycle of radical teachings continues unabated. Poor economic and human development and limited finances hinder parents from enrolling their children into private/public sector schools where their minds would be nurtured and not completely cast in ignorance by the local mullah running a madrassah on alms.

By all means meaningful Islamic education should be imparted to a child whose parents deem it for him. But that education should be Islamic and not radical or extreme with political

The way I see it, a meaningful reform of the madrassa system may be years in the coming. What is critical is the prevention of new entrants into the system.




Nailed it.
Brother you are expecting to much from a Madrassa system considering even the school system in Pakistan is faulty - wrong - not upto the standards -
but i do agree what you have written above - and if the madrassas are the only odd system in a near perfect or even functional system in Pakistan I would whole heartedly blame the whole system as well-

Why should there be a religious school in the first place?

The Madressas of old taught everything, starting with the Quran and math.. all the way to medicine and astronomy.
Today's "MADressas" are nothing of the sort and essentially breeding grounds for terrorists and extremists and nothing else. They are houses of fitna that need to be demolished outright and their teachers and supporters jailed.
The madrassas i am talking about teach Quran as well Math and Science - i think we are not on the same page- thats the cons of too much generalization I suppose -
 
There is no need to close these Madrasas
Just change them into government schools like ordinary one, take out mulla Tolla from there and appoint proper teachers, save the child the future of Pakistan:tup:
 
there should be no resistance towards giving religious education. religion helps a human to be and stay human
 
The more I hear about zia the more perplexed I get - the guy was one of the main reasons for increase of extremism in the region. He gave a free hand to Saudi influence.
 
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