Mass protests sweep Gilgit Baltistan

[Armstrong]

It irks me when somehow even Kashmiris of considerable composure and good head such as yourself resort to claiming Kashmir as being a muslim only state...you should know better that there were a considerable level of non-muslims in the state...

JKLI recruits specifically from the state....medals of honor and the religion of the bearer should not be used as a diversion from the fact that there is a significant representation of Kashmiris in the IA, to form an entire regiment..

Perhaps I wasn't able to elucidate better !

I did not claim Kashmir to be a Muslim Only State nor did I question the presence of Non Muslims within the State. I simply stated something which, in all honesty, should've been self-evident that we're talking about the presence or absence of Muslims in the Army in an area besought by Muslim Separatism as the basis for Independence.

Whether the Non Muslims are or they aren't in the IA from Kashmir is irrelevant to the discussion whether their presence or absence gives any insight on what they want the future of their State to be for that is already a given when the call for Independence is spearheaded by Muslims of the State & the Muslims alone.

Hence whereas 9% of AJK and GB Nationals being a part of the PA makes sense when asked whether the people of AJK and GB want to be a part of Pakistan or not but the Non Muslims in IA from Kashmir is irrelevant when their position is already established and by default when one is talking about Separatism and the call for Independence in Occupied Kashmir, we're talking about the Muslims who form an extremely tiny fraction of the entire IA let alone the Kashmiri Regiment !

 

[halupridol]

Sure why don't you cross over and meet them them in person. Please state you are RAW and not tourists and they will give you a fitting welcome, like they have done in the past.

Oh what's that about Pakhtuns? You want to be meet the TTP? You really are on a roll......

See if you can find any Pakhtuns here who have sympathy for your views.

most probably RAW already present there...
if not,,then they must be watching closely...
about puchtuns,,,its said that they r brave n hate India,,,but that didn't stop them from joining ttp did it,,,??

 

[waz]

most probably RAW already present there...
if not,,then they must be watching closely...
about puchtuns,,,its said that they r brave n hate India,,,but that didn't stop them from joining ttp did it,,,??

Ok man cool.

Hence whereas 9% of AJK and GB Nationals being a part of the PA

Population of 3.6% account for 12% of the Pakistani army. Crazy stat.

 

[Armstrong]

Population of 3.6% account for 12% of the Pakistani army. Crazy stat.

Bro I only have figures from 2011 !

 

[BATMAN]

@Peshwa

Gilgit–Baltistan has never been formally integrated into the Pakistani state and does not participate in Pakistan's constitutional political affairs . Officially, Pakistan has rejected Gilgit–Baltistani calls for integration with Pakistan on the grounds that it would prejudice its international obligations with regard to the Kashmir dispute.

And finally, in April, 2014, some Iranian puppets realized it, finally!

 

[Peshwa]

Perhaps I wasn't able to elucidate better !

I did not claim Kashmir to be a Muslim Only State nor did I question the presence of Non Muslims within the State. I simply stated something which, in all honesty, should've been self-evident that we're talking about the presence or absence of Muslims in the Army in an area besought by Muslim Separatism as the basis for Independence.

JKLI is represented by 50% muslims...the rest by other ethnic groups in the state...
So not sure what your basis for this argument is...
Besides...Kashmir is policed by locals...majority of them being muslim.

Hence whereas 9% of AJK and GB Nationals being a part of the PA makes sense when asked whether the people of AJK and GB want to be a part of Pakistan or not but the Non Muslims in IA from Kashmir is irrelevant when their position is already established and by default when one is talking about Separatism and the call for Independence in Occupied Kashmir, we're talking about the Muslims who form an extremely tiny fraction of the entire IA let alone the Kashmiri Regiment !

As mentioned above, half of JKLI is muslim....the general that controls the troops and operations in J&k is muslim. I dont see how that can be overlooked as being as strong a case as that you are trying to position for GB and their 9% representation in PA...
If anything, there is a considerable amount of volunteers for the Indian armed forces and paramilitary from muslim recruits of Kashmiri origin even though the state is wrought with muslim seperatism....which would actually indicate that muslim seperatism is but another political school of thought in a large J&K and is just another voice...
Whether its a majority is only based on the assumptions of a sample size of the population through surveys as being representative of the whole...

 

[Peshwa]

@Peshwa

Gilgit–Baltistan has never been formally integrated into the Pakistani state and does not participate in Pakistan's constitutional political affairs . Officially, Pakistan has rejected Gilgit–Baltistani calls for integration with Pakistan on the grounds that it would prejudice its international obligations with regard to the Kashmir dispute.

funny that for namesake, Pakistan refuses to integrate GB into its constitution, but does not feel one bit the need to consult the residents of GB when signing away a part of this land to china!

Yes, GB may not be integrated into Pak, but Pakistan sure acts like they own them...at least based on your actions from the 60s..

 

[M. Sarmad]

Sher Sahib is sleep deprivation preventing you from comprehending what I wrote or is it a bad crop this season ?
No one, including the people of Gilgit Baltistan, gives a foOk about the Party that is presented as the voice of the downtrodden and the oppressed and as the representatives of the people when it can't seem to muster more votes from the entire country than the number of people living in my Block let alone my Town !

Butt Sahib look at all those pictures ... They are people of Gilgit-Baltistan , It is not about who secured more votes than the other in elections .. People of Gilgit Baltistan are united for the first time , groups from a range of political and religious backgrounds collectively protest against the removal of a longstanding wheat subsidy. And it has turned out to be the longest protest in history of the territory ............. They are not the workers of some political party recording their protest in front of some press club ....... And you say no one , including people of GB gives a foOk !!! ... ?

And finally, in April, 2014, some Iranian puppets realized it, finally!

Shut up troll !!

funny that for namesake, Pakistan refuses to integrate GB into its constitution, but does not feel one bit the need to consult the residents of GB when signing away a part of this land to china!

Yes, GB may not be integrated into Pak, but Pakistan sure acts like you own them...at least based on your actions from the 60s..

There is nothing funny about it ..... And how are your stupid rants related to the topic ??

 

[American Pakistani]

GB should be given provincial status as demanded by Gilgit-Baltistanis.

P.S Indians are one funny bunch...they live in their own dreams taking cheap shots at Pakistan's domestic issues.

 

[Peshwa]

There is nothing funny about it ..... And how are your stupid rants related to the topic ??

Well...

a. You found it interesting to point out that it was magnanimous on Pakistans part to not integrate GB as some grand scheme to maintian its sovereignty and settle the dispute based on international agreements...
b. in response I gave you an example of Pakistans actions which contradict the said implication on your part...

I cant help that you blame the argument, when its you who fails to connect the dots...

And its on topic because these protestors clearly use terms like "disputed territory" which indicate their stance on the "azadi" label and how much kashmiris love being Pakistanis, that many of you on the forum love to flaunt.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Well...

a. You found it interesting to point out that it was magnanimous on Pakistans part to not integrate GB as some grand scheme to maintian its sovereignty and settle the dispute based on international agreements...
b. in response I gave you an example of Pakistans actions which contradict the said implication on your part...

I cant help that you blame the argument, when its you who fails to connect the dots...

It is A protest against removal of a long standing wheat subsidy . The ordinary people, most of whom are very poor and depend on the subsidy, believe the subsidy is their right. They are calling for the removal of taxes because according to international law, there should be no taxation without representation. ..... And they are right !!

Officially, Pakistan has rejected Gilgit–Baltistani calls for integration with Pakistan on the grounds that it would prejudice its international obligations with regard to the Kashmir dispute , Pakistan has removed the wheat subsidy under pressure from the International Monetary Fund (IMF) , Now Pak Govt. should either give them proper representation , or this tax should be removed ...

And you have started talking about what happened in 60`s and other irrelevant stuff , Here We are not talking about Kashmir Dispute ... Or Indian hypocrisy or state terrorism in IOK ... That is a totally different topic ...... Open a new thread for it if you want

We know (without connecting the dots) that you are trolling !!

And its on topic because these protestors clearly use terms like "disputed territory" which indicate their stance on the "azadi" label and how much kashmiris love being Pakistanis, that many of you on the forum love to flaunt.

To your dismay , They aren`t holding any Indian or Azadi flags ... Neither are they demanding anything like that ...... They are only talking about a law .. an international law ... Its about "economic relief " only , which is their lawful right ...........

 

[M. Sarmad]

Dharna in Gilgit (Day 9)

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152005138377617

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152003022307617

Vehicles from Hunza-Nagar reaching Gilgit Dharna

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152002858197617

04/24/2014 01:58 London: Students from Gilgit-Baltistan express solidarity with Awami Action Committee by Pamir Times


PAMIR TIMES
A group of students from different parts of Gilgit-Baltistan staged a token protest demonstration in London (UK) to express solidarity with the Awami Action Committee and the participants of the Dharna and Long March in Gilgit and Skardu.

 

[chhota bheem]

A powerful popular protest is sweeping through the Pakistani-occupied disputed territory of Gilgit Baltistan. Since April 15, an indefinite sit-in strike (dharna) has been waged, uniting for the first time groups from a range of political and religious backgrounds against the removal of a longstanding wheat subsidy. On April 22 protesters will converge in a "long march" on Gilgit, the territory’s capital to surround the offices of LOCAL PUPPET GOVERNMENT authority.

During the British colonial era, Gilgit Baltistan was occupied by the British-backed feudal ruler of Kashmir but Pakistan has OCCUPIED THE TERRITORY since 1948.

“The AWC is calling for the removal of taxes because according to international law, there should be no taxation without representation. As an OCCUPIED TERRITORY Gilgit Baltistan is exempt from all type of taxes but government has imposed taxes on people of Gilgit Baltistan illegally.”

Everyone came up to "should be no taxation without represntation",no one wanted to go further.

 

[KingMamba]

Gilgit–Baltistan has never been formally integrated into the Pakistani state and does not participate in Pakistan's constitutional political affairs . Officially, Pakistan has rejected Gilgit–Baltistani calls for integration with Pakistan on the grounds that it would prejudice its international obligations with regard to the Kashmir dispute.

That is BS, UN resolutions no longer matter after Shimla anyway. Make Gilgit a province, I support Gilgitis in their demands.

@Azlan Haider bro so what are they asking for wheat subsidy and what else?

 

[M. Sarmad]

I support Gilgitis in their demands.