Mascarenhas' 1971 "GENOCIDE" Story Biased All Media Coverage of East Pakistan

[Jackdaws]

What this gentleman has said is true.Soviets played a big role in making bangladesh.
Well later we played a important role in breaking the soviet union .Now we are equal and that,s past.
Now we must learn from our mistakes .America was past russia is the future.

LOL - Pakistan played at best a side-role. And even that is stretching it.

 

[SecularNationalist]

LOL - Pakistan played at best a side-role. And even that is stretching it.

No actually the main role.Without ISI and pakistans help dismemberment of the soviet union was simply not possible.
Later we suffered from terrorism because of zia ul haq policies and doctrine not because of our fight against the soviets.Trust me every country would have done the same thing.The big brown bear was waving his penis at our western border and we had no other option.

 

[Jackdaws]

No actually the main role.Without ISI and pakistans help dismemberment of the soviet union was simply not possible.
Later we suffered from terrorism because of zia ul haq policies and doctrine not because of our fight against the soviets.Trust me every country would have done the same thing.The big brown bear was waving his penis at our western border and we had no other option.

Nope.
Soviet Union collapsed because of perestroika and glasnost policies of Gorbachev. Withdrawing from Afghanistan had nothing to do with it. It is not as if the United States collapsed after withdrawing from Vietnam.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Nope.
Soviet Union collapsed because of perestroika and glasnost policies of Gorbachev. Withdrawing from Afghanistan had nothing to do with it. It is not as if the United States collapsed after withdrawing from Vietnam.

1. Pakistan provided sanctuary for the mujahideen fighters.
2. Pakistan trained around 100,000 Afghans to fight the Soviet Union.
3. Pakistan provided intelligence to the mujahideen fighters.
4. Pakistan provided weapons the mujahideen fighters
5. Weapons from the USA and Gulf states were funnelled through Pakistan.
6. According to some Afghan sources EVERY Mujahideen unit had at the very least 1 Pakistani instructor.
7. Pakistani commandos (SSG) participated in many battles especially against the spetznaz who were highly trained and would have caused a lot of casualties had they fought the Afghan mujahideen.
8. Regular Pakistani soldiers fought in mujahideen ranks.
9. Many civilian men from all across Pakistan fought alongside the mujahideen as they saw it as a holy war against the atheist communists who were invading a neighbouring muslim country with the intention of possibly invading Pakistan at a later time.
10. It is reported that the Pakistani Air Force shot down around 6–8 Russian fighter jets whilst losing 0 in the process

It is safe to say that without Pakistans huge contributions to the Afghan-Soviet war the outcome could have been quite a lot different, Germany recognised Pakistans role in the defeat of the Soviet union and sent Pakistan the 1st brick of the Berlin wall and other gifts as a thank you. The Afghan taliban till this day is loyal to Pakistan as it recognises the help that Pakistan gave to them in their war against the Soviet Union.

So by implication you are saying the germans were stupid or ignorant.I know you are indian full of hate towards pakistan which is affecting your judgement.

 

[S.Y.A]

So official records (as in the Holocaust) or official eyewitness accounts from "friendly" foreigners - like the U.S. diplomats in Dhaka in 1971

So the diplomats were taking a stroll out in the city right in the midst of a civil war and curfew, and even counting individual dead bodies! how very brave of them!

Do you ever think that Nazi Germany can indulge in HAGGLING
over Holocaust deaths

Whether it was 6 Million or Less

Similarly here too ; it is Bangladesh the victim which has ALL the rights
over the Victim narrative

There are no Mitigating Circumstances what so ever

No haggling, because no genocide ever took place. Those who were killed were terrorists plain and simple, or some collateral damage. Interesting to note that those who are crying over it support atrocities like US bombings in Iraq or Afghanistan, or for that matter the zionist terrorist "state's" pathetic excuse that Hamas is using human shields when they kill innocents.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

No haggling, because no genocide ever took place. Those who were killed were terrorists plain and simple, or some collateral damage, just US bombings in Iraq or Afghanistan, or for that matter the zionist terrorist "state's" pathetic excuse that Hamas is using human shields when they kill innocents.

That is your opinion

The simple fact is that people wanted independence

And your Army decided to wipe them out

Fine as long as you can get away with it

But India intervened and you lost and all these atrocities came out

If you could have held onto it like China is holding on to Tibet
you could have changed the demographics

 

[S.Y.A]

That is your opinion

The simple fact is that people wanted independence

And your Army decided to wipe them out

Fine as long as you can get away with it

But India intervened and you lost and all these atrocities came out

If you could have held onto it like China is holding on to Tibet
you could have changed the demographics

the simple fact is that they were terrorists aided by India, and were crushed accordingly. and no, there were no atrocities, this whole thread is based on debunking that myth.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

the simple fact is that they were terrorists aided by India, and were crushed accordingly. and no, there were no atrocities, this whole thread is based on debunking that myth.

OK ; why dont you convince the Bangladeshis about this

Why Relations between you and Bangladesh are so bad after nearly 46 years

Why does Bangladesh always ask for an APOLOGY

 

[cloud4000]

It's clearly obvious Pakistanis are still infatuated with the events of 1971 regardless of claims they don't care when, in fact, they do. They can cite people like Sharmila Bose all they want to justify their claims. The fact of the matter is, Bengalis didn't want to be part of Pakistan anymore.

 

[ranjeet]

I wonder why Pakistanis quote Sharmila Bose when they have their own Hamidoor commission report. Or do they believe She carries more weight than their own finding report?

 

[Rusty]

It's quite amusing that Indians here think that the Pakistani Army in East Pakistan was probably the best army in the world.

with under 50,000 men they were able to kill 3 million Bengalis, fight the terrorists and India all the time same time and with no re-enforcement from west Pakistan.

No wonder they sh!t their pants every time Pakistan army is brought up

 

[Stephen Cohen]

with under 50,000 men they were able to kill 3 million Bengalis,

Yes that was a Great Achievement as was the surrender on 16 December

 

[Rusty]

Yes that was a Great Achievement as was the surrender on 16 December

yes yes, you guys have real big d!cks when you made less than 50k solders surrender with your million man army.

btw, I was being sarcastic about the big d!cks

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/worl...econd-smallest-penis-in-the-world-235005.html

 

[Solomon2]

I have looked at several critiques of Bose's books but none of them have done the serious detailed field research, interviewed the alleged perpetrators and the victims and presented these facts in a cogent, rational way. Her arguments are compelling.

Do you understand the issue here? Critics her work consists of carefully selected interviews to construct a pre-determined narrative. That's why it isn't evidence.

So the diplomats were taking a stroll out in the city right in the midst of a civil war and curfew, and even counting individual dead bodies! how very brave of them!

Here in Decca we are mute and horrified witnesses to a reign of terror by the Pak[istani] Military. Evidence continues to mount that the MLA authorities have list of AWAMI League supporters whom they are systematically eliminating by seeking them out in their homes and shooting them down.

No haggling, because no genocide ever took place. Those who were killed were terrorists plain and simple, or some collateral damage.

The West Pakistani army invaded universities to murder professors and students. One used to be Kissinger's student. Despite that, Kissinger steadfastly stood by Nixon's policy of support for West Pakistan.

Interesting to note that those who are crying over it support atrocities like US bombings in Iraq or Afghanistan, or for that matter the zionist terrorist "state's" pathetic excuse that Hamas is using human shields when they kill innocents.

More "Big Lie" propaganda, unsupported by evidence in context.

 

[asad71]

Here Are Pictures of Mukti Bahini Militants Murdering Urdu Speakers

Making An Anology With A Group That No Longer Exists To Tell It's Side Of The Story Ever Heard of The Word Idiocity

BTW My School Is Way Better Than Your Shaka



Kind Of Like Saying That Half A Million Iraqis and US Soldiers Died In US Invasion of Iraq

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131015-iraq-war-deaths-survey-2013/

For the record: these were Biharis in the Razakars accused of raping even Bihari women.

Perhaps those who have read more can verify. But I did read that Pak soldiers preferred to surrender to Indians than fall in hands of Mukti Bahini. Is this true?

MB were our youth - village lads, kids of farmers/fishermen and urban youth - mostly students. Extreme hatred for the occupation army had driven them to join MB which was led by mily officers. The regular BA units were a disciplined body of professional soldiers. PA personnel who had been captured or had surrendered to BA, either during the war or at the end, were treated as per Geneva Convention. Not one case of deviation has been reported except under Zia at Chittagong at the start when all were bewildered.

1. Pakistan provided sanctuary for the mujahideen fighters.
2. Pakistan trained around 100,000 Afghans to fight the Soviet Union.
3. Pakistan provided intelligence to the mujahideen fighters.
4. Pakistan provided weapons the mujahideen fighters
5. Weapons from the USA and Gulf states were funnelled through Pakistan.
6. According to some Afghan sources EVERY Mujahideen unit had at the very least 1 Pakistani instructor.
7. Pakistani commandos (SSG) participated in many battles especially against the spetznaz who were highly trained and would have caused a lot of casualties had they fought the Afghan mujahideen.
8. Regular Pakistani soldiers fought in mujahideen ranks.
9. Many civilian men from all across Pakistan fought alongside the mujahideen as they saw it as a holy war against the atheist communists who were invading a neighbouring muslim country with the intention of possibly invading Pakistan at a later time.
10. It is reported that the Pakistani Air Force shot down around 6–8 Russian fighter jets whilst losing 0 in the process

It is safe to say that without Pakistans huge contributions to the Afghan-Soviet war the outcome could have been quite a lot different, Germany recognised Pakistans role in the defeat of the Soviet union and sent Pakistan the 1st brick of the Berlin wall and other gifts as a thank you. The Afghan taliban till this day is loyal to Pakistan as it recognises the help that Pakistan gave to them in their war against the Soviet Union.

So by implication you are saying the germans were stupid or ignorant.I know you are indian full of hate towards pakistan which is affecting your judgement.

My teacher. May Allah grant him the best in Jannat.

The soviets were actually the real architects of 1971. India was just used by them. Now the US is doing the same thing.

An architect needs a drawing board, paper, etc plus his fees. All were provided by Bhutto and Yahya.