What's new

Maryam Nawaz is the first responsible person of Dawn Leaks - Investigation Report

@bold .. not only you can work for CIA... u can also do blasphemy with patronage of Americans.. Uncle Sam will rescue you, in this too....
Since Gen Qamar Bajwa came ..there have been long series of pro India/US steps tht appease them.. I am really wondering...what does Gen Qamar Bajwa want? its as if he came..and jaldi jaldi he is signing/accepting US/Indian demands...ke jaldi jaldi kar do sab... JuD, Chandu Chavan, Shakil Afridi..maybe next we will handover Haqqani leaders too, to US, and kulbhushan to india? in Musharraf days...we handed over ppl to US..later in Gen Kiyani's time, we tried and started to resist US pressure on issues, hence there was extreme friction in Pak US ties, in Gen Kiyani's tenure, esp in his sec term... then Gen Raheel brought Pak China even closer and worked vigorously for CPEC... but from the moment, Gen Qamar Bajwa came..he is hurriedly accepting all US/Indian demands


General Sharif set such lofty standards, it was almost expected Gen Bajwa would fail to meet them. But no one could have predicted to this degree.

In my opinion the system is flawed, only the armed institutions should be allowed to select the COAS and other high ranking Generals, based on ranking and votes.
 
.
@bold .. not only you can work for CIA... u can also do blasphemy with patronage of Americans.. Uncle Sam will rescue you, in this too....
Since Gen Qamar Bajwa came ..there have been long series of pro India/US steps tht appease them.. I am really wondering...what does Gen Qamar Bajwa want? its as if he came..and jaldi jaldi he is signing/accepting US/Indian demands...ke jaldi jaldi kar do sab... JuD, Chandu Chavan, Shakil Afridi..maybe next we will handover Haqqani leaders too, to US, and kulbhushan to india? in Musharraf days...we handed over ppl to US..later in Gen Kiyani's time, we tried and started to resist US pressure on issues, hence there was extreme friction in Pak US ties, in Gen Kiyani's tenure, esp in his sec term... then Gen Raheel brought Pak China even closer and worked vigorously for CPEC... but from the moment, Gen Qamar Bajwa came..he is hurriedly accepting all US/Indian demands
I think they are trying to pre empt the insanity that is Trump. Little does the establishment know that insanity cannot be preempted. At most they are showing weakness to a person who only understands power. They are giving up even before the negotiation. I do not who is the genius behind such cowering strategy. They failed to read why US did not ban Egypt and SA, behind this madness there is a method, we should atleast wait to understand this.
 
.
How is it a leak If It is fabricated in 1st place- or are you trying to punish that women even for fabricating stories-

What do you call fabricated news? Fake News
@bold... I don't think so... if anyone who is happy at this decision, its primarily India, and also US too... if this is the revenge of army to govt, on dawn leaks, tht is ban JuD....then it only makes India happy... first dawn leaks report itself made India happy, and now the so called revenge to govt, also makes India happy..

I wonder...what is Gen Qamar Bajwa upto? like really? first Chandu chavan gone, then Hafiz Saeed detained, now theres news Shakil Afridi will be freed by May....I am wondering..next..what? kulbhushan yadev? what does Gen Bajwa want really? why so much appeasement of US/India, all of a sudden, since Gen Raheel Sharif left and Gen Qamar Bajwa came? ab tu lagta hai ke even Gen Kiyani was much better...


What do you think whose popularity is going down with all of these actions? PA will not take part in 2018 elections..

India is irrelevant here.. Indians will be happy only when Hafiz Saeed is handed over to them.. Unless this happens, there is no point of Indians and Americans getting happy about the arrest..

Anyway, who cares about Indian and American happiness, or their worries? Next year or the year after, he will most probably be freed again...
 
.
I think they are trying to pre empt the insanity that is Trump. Little does the establishment know that insanity cannot be preempted. At most they are showing weakness to a person who only understands power. They are giving up even before the negotiation. I do not who is the genius behind such cowering strategy. They failed to read why US did not ban Egypt and SA, behind this madness there is a method, we should atleast wait to understand this.

yes.. Gen Qamar Bajwa's policies are strange...all actions he has taken after becoming COAS are such tht seem to appease India/US... no talks of rangers action in interior Punjab..but Hafiz Saeed detained without any reason.. Shakil Afridi about to be released.. lets wait for arrest of Haqqanis and handing over to US, and kulbhushan yadev to India... I think we are back to tht stage, tht is of Musharraf era..where we handed over ppl to US...but during Gen Kiyani and Gen Raheel Sharif's tenure, we had distanced from tht policy.and US' leverage with Pak had reduced..we can say many things abt Gen Kiyani, but during his tenure, we had extreme friction with US, esp during his second tenure..........but with Gen Qamar Bajwa's becoming COAS..it seems we are back to square one, and we will see more pro US policies...

What do you call fabricated news? Fake News



What do you think whose popularity is going down with all of these actions? PA will not take part in 2018 elections..

India is irrelevant here.. Indians will be happy only when Hafiz Saeed is handed over to them.. Unless this happens, there is no point of Indians and Americans getting happy about the arrest..

Anyway, who cares about Indian and American happiness, or their worries? Next year or the year after, he will most probably be freed again...

@bold....Apparently our new military leadership does care abt their happiness.. theres news tht Pak is likely to free and handover Shakil Afridi to US..and its likely to happen by May
 
.
@bold .. not only you can work for CIA... u can also do blasphemy with patronage of Americans.. Uncle Sam will rescue you, in this too....
Since Gen Qamar Bajwa came ..there have been long series of pro India/US steps tht appease them.. I am really wondering...what does Gen Qamar Bajwa want? its as if he came..and jaldi jaldi he is signing/accepting US/Indian demands...ke jaldi jaldi kar do sab... JuD, Chandu Chavan, Shakil Afridi..maybe next we will handover Haqqani leaders too, to US, and kulbhushan to india? in Musharraf days...we handed over ppl to US..later in Gen Kiyani's time, we tried and started to resist US pressure on issues, hence there was extreme friction in Pak US ties, in Gen Kiyani's tenure, esp in his sec term... then Gen Raheel brought Pak China even closer and worked vigorously for CPEC... but from the moment, Gen Qamar Bajwa came..he is hurriedly accepting all US/Indian demands

There are two kind of decisions:

1 - Personal - that do not change the objectives
2 - Policy decisions - that are not affected by the personal judgement, or personal say. These decisions are discussed between, and agreed by majority of CCs

Any Army chief doesn't dare to change the objectives. Any decisions that are taken to achieve the objectives, are taken after gaining full confidence of the CCs and most of the other Lt. Generals.

So in simple words, objectives don't change, modus operandi does.

@bold....Apparently our new military leadership does care abt their happiness.. theres news tht Pak is likely to free and handover Shakil Afridi to US..and its likely to happen by May

Ok, then think about what is the objective of releasing him.. First we need to understand this.
 
.
The message that leaves all these steps is
  • You can work for CIA we won't be able to do much if we caught you, uncle Sam will rescue you. Death of counter espionage against CIA.
  • National security breach is relative to who does it, higher your standing less likely you will be punished.
  • We have accepted the current boundaries of LOC as permanent border. [If you are locking HS and JuD (which I agree with), is there alternate Kashmir strategy? Or we are gonna just release a song each year? How are we gonna help Kashmiri intefada?]

By releasing an ISPR song every quarter
 
.
yes.. Gen Qamar Bajwa's policies are strange...all actions he has taken after becoming COAS are such tht seem to appease India/US... no talks of rangers action in interior Punjab..but Hafiz Saeed detained without any reason.. Shakil Afridi about to be released.. lets wait for arrest of Haqqanis and handing over to US, and kulbhushan yadev to India... I think we are back to tht stage, tht is of Musharraf era..where we handed over ppl to US...but during Gen Kiyani and Gen Raheel Sharif's tenure, we had distanced from tht policy.and US' leverage with Pak had reduced..we can say many things abt Gen Kiyani, but during his tenure, we had extreme friction with US, esp during his second tenure..........but with Gen Qamar Bajwa's becoming COAS..it seems we are back to square one, and we will see more pro US policies...



@bold....Apparently our new military leadership does care abt their happiness.. theres news tht Pak is likely to free and handover Shakil Afridi to US..and its likely to happen by May
I think Gen Bajwa thinks he can work in silence and shadows. He doesn't understand the Media and informatics is nowdays the most important part of the fight. The space that Gen RS created was not for his own glory but for the office. To create a persona that powers to be fear without essentialy use of force. Without a threat of extra constitutional step being taken, the only leverage left to a COAS is his popularity. It is not the danda but popularity that PML n despised of RS. Even now the attempts to malign him continue. The moment the current Chief becomes a forgotten entity no amount of manoeuvres or bluffing will act as leverage. The corrupt elite + anti state lobby will eat him alive.
 
.
Agree with @sady
In Pak some are more equal than others.
Ppl in uniform can be touched by law or constitution so all there is, is quid pro quo.
Civil and military both use these events to twist each other arms.
 
.
@Farah Sohail

I give you an example..

1 - Data collected over the years by a particular institution's secret agency suggests that a particular family is working against the interest of a country. The data includes recordings of phone calls, text messages, emails, business relations with enemies that create the conflict of interest etc..

2 - There is an objective to safeguard all the interests of a country, including its security.

3 - A goal is set to pave the way to remove that particular family from the government.

4 - Procedures are discussed, which may include DIRECT CONFRONTATION: (a) Martial law or (b) Pressurizing government to resign and INDIRECT ACTIONS: (a) Push the government without anyone knowing to take steps that hit their popularity if the elections are near (b) Help the opposition by not helping government.

If the institution decides that direct confrontation is not a solution because it may attract some international players and may be detrimental to the economy of Pakistan so it is decided, (a) is not possible (b) is not possible

The rest of the options are decided to be adopted, and then everyone works in different ways to (1) Achieve the goal first in order to (2) achieve the objective

Capture.PNG


This is now happening... and government can't stop these guys.. This is called indirect action, when they help the opposition by not helping the government.

Also, it hits where it hurts the most.. that is the popularity..
 
.
Within 2.months of taking office... pakistan has demonstrated land to sea long range cm.. slcm... mirv...

These test were done and announced with c n c consent
Do u guys think this is policy of appeasement toward india or US??

I will.be cautious to reach such a conclusion..

Some guys here go very far in love of ik and hate of ns... they rather fck the country if ik is not installed as pm
 
. .
Within 2.months of taking office... pakistan has demonstrated land to sea long range cm.. slcm... mirv...

These test were done and announced with c n c consent
Do u guys think this is policy of appeasement toward india or US??

I will.be cautious to reach such a conclusion..

Some guys here go very far in love of ik and hate of ns... they rather fck the country if ik is not installed as pm

Those missile tests are not exactly his (Gen Bajwa's) domain, it must be an overall policy decision... Those tests come under the umbrella/domain of CJCSC Gen Zubair Hayat in particular, and he being DG SPD earlier must have known which missiles are in waiting line, and at what opportune time, they should be tested.. It is only logical to assume tht Gen Zubair Hayat would have been the driving force who pushed for those tests mainly, but obviously with consent of all...but the main person behind tht must have been Gen Zubair Hayat
 
.
this bitch needs to be hanged till death.the run away bhagori is thinking to rule us now
 
.
@Farah Sohail

I give you an example..

1 - Data collected over the years by a particular institution's secret agency suggests that a particular family is working against the interest of a country. The data includes recordings of phone calls, text messages, emails, business relations with enemies that create the conflict of interest etc..

2 - There is an objective to safeguard all the interests of a country, including its security.

3 - A goal is set to pave the way to remove that particular family from the government.

4 - Procedures are discussed, which may include DIRECT CONFRONTATION: (a) Martial law or (b) Pressurizing government to resign and INDIRECT ACTIONS: (a) Push the government without anyone knowing to take steps that hit their popularity if the elections are near (b) Help the opposition by not helping government.

If the institution decides that direct confrontation is not a solution because it may attract some international players and may be detrimental to the economy of Pakistan so it is decided, (a) is not possible (b) is not possible

The rest of the options are decided to be adopted, and then everyone works in different ways to (1) Achieve the goal first in order to (2) achieve the objective

View attachment 374785

This is now happening... and government can't stop these guys.. This is called indirect action, when they help the opposition by not helping the government.

Also, it hits where it hurts the most.. that is the popularity..
Exactly, well put sir, people u need to understand that the establishment has never compromised national security uptil now, most people dont understand these decisions but that is why most people are not entrusted with that responsibility, the afghan jihad by zia was not to help afghanistan but to save pakistan from an inpending russian invasion and separation of balochistan so zia acted in national interest yet most simplr minded people now blame him for working for americans but in reality we used the americans just as much if not more than they used us, than the musharaf scenario escapes most people too, they say he sided with america to kill brother afghans while in reality he just played along to save pakistan from an american invasion as back than our missles were not able to reach israel which is now a major deterent of an american attack on pakistan, than he used the afghan talis to give america some of what we gave to the russians and now america has left with a bloody nose with the talis controlling most of the country again with kabul soon to fall, the american end game too was disintegration of pakistan via afghanistan via ttp and bla and now the army is avoiding sanctions right when an economic boom is underway, so what if we put hafiz under house arrest, we will lift the ban after a year or so no harm done, similarly the army is obviously using this to defame the govt and they mayeven be acting infront of the govt like they really are under pressure blah blah, shakeel afridi's release is just a statement as of now, we will see when he is released snd even if he is so what??, he's useless to us now, u see states are not run by emtional idiots, its all profit and loss to professionals, big picture shit, army will kill two birds with one stone, pmln loosing elections and avoiding sanctions etc, its these deep games that have led the world to fear and respect the isi, right now nothing is more imp than getting this back stabber noora out of pm house now, our own pm is anationak security threat, to hell with hafiz and afridi, our own state is at threat, what if india attacks tmrw, will noora back the army up or will he secede and run away like kargil and declare our own army as rebels..

E
Within 2.months of taking office... pakistan has demonstrated land to sea long range cm.. slcm... mirv...

These test were done and announced with c n c consent
Do u guys think this is policy of appeasement toward india or US??

I will.be cautious to reach such a conclusion..

Some guys here go very far in love of ik and hate of ns... they rather fck the country if ik is not installed as pm
Exactly my friend, that is exactly why the isi has kept national security matters in thier own hands rather than in emotional stupid civilian administrations, nothing is above this islamic republic except Allah, not ik, not noora, nor hafiz, nor afridi, nir maryam..
 
.
Those missile tests are not exactly his (Gen Bajwa's) domain, it must be an overall policy decision... Those tests come under the umbrella/domain of CJCSC Gen Zubair Hayat in particular, and he being DG SPD earlier must have known which missiles are in waiting line, and at what opportune time, they should be tested.. It is only logical to assume tht Gen Zubair Hayat would have been the driving force who pushed for those tests mainly, but obviously with consent of all...but the main person behind tht must have been Gen Zubair Hayat

So you think toppling an electing govt and installing ik as puppet is his domain... but missile tests are not??
 
.

Pakistan Defence Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom