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Indeed Gandhi did not support Bhagat Singh. Anyway thats a long debate.

I was just replying to the post of Justin who was much angry why Pakistani members were not commenting.


So here thought it my responsibility to make him realise that founer father of Pakistan, Qaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was the man who stood by Bhagat Singh when even Gandhi and other Indian leaders did not.

I hope all those bigots in India who abuse Jinnah should have some conscience and realise that Jinnah was a real visionary leader and always stood by principles.

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This is never ending debate who was behind independence.

Everyone respect and should do so Mr. Jinnah for supporting freedom movement. Indians have some reservation about partition but that should be understandable IMO and out of scope of the thread. Also much of criticism is routed towards Nehru rather than Jinnah. As freedom movement is concerned they all were fighting for it though means were different. So they all should be praised.
 
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On 23 rd march let us also salute bhagat singh's lawyer Quaid-e-Azam Muhaamad Ali Jinnah who stood by bhagat Singh when other Indian leaders did not .
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Don't try to twist the facts and history?????????

We are talking about truth not zaid Hamid type of history.

Do u people taught this history in pakistan?????????
 
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The propaganda busted.

Shaheed Bhagad Singh's real lawyer Asaf Ali

Hon'ble


Asaf Ali saheb

Asaf Ali (May 11, 1888[1] – April 1, 1953) was an Indian independence fighter and noted Indian lawyer. He was the first ambassador from India to the United States. He also worked as the governor of Orissa.

He defended Shaheed Bhagad Singh and Batukeshwar Dutt as a lawyer, after they threw a bomb in the Central Legislative Assembly on April 8, 1929, during the passage of a controversial ordinance. He was elected in 1935 as a member of the Central Legislative Assembly from Delhi representing the Muslim Nationalist Party. He was re-elected as a Congress candidate against a Muslim League candidate. He worked as Deputy Leader of the Congress Party in the Assembly.

Asaf Ali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Did Jinnah actually do that? Can you please post any references Jana? I am curious as I haven't come across that yet.

RobbieS he was staunch supporter of Bhagat and others with him . He debated the case in the parliament and grilled the Britishers.

here is something from an Indian Writer . You can also read the book of AG Noorani who gave a detailed account of freedom movement and Bhagat Singh

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On 12th and 14th Septeber 1929, in Central Assembly, Jinnah made a long speech in context of Bhagat Singh and his comrade’s hunger strike and British imperialist design to hang these patriots with the sham of a trial ‘in absence of the accused’. It was the time, when even many Congressmen in assembly had condemned Bhagat Singh and B.K. Dutt for throwing bombs in assembly on 8th April 1929, for which they were ‘transported for life’, within one month in May 1929. When they went on hunger strike in jail in protest against misbehavior with them by jail staff and to demand status of political prisoner and human behavior with them in jail, British came with an amendment in criminal procedure code waiving the condition of presence of accused or their pleader in the court, thus by a sham trial convicting them in hurried manner.

The Tribune’s special correspondent for Shimla reported that while participating in the debate in central assembly on British bill, on 12th Sept. 1929, Jinnah said, The man who goes on hunger strike has a soul. He is moved by the soul and he believes in the justice of his cause’. The Tribune report mentioned, ‘Mr. Jinnah created a profound impression by the excellent form in which he argued the case. xxx Mr. Jinnah was proceeding in this strain winning applause after applause from the spellbound house’. (Quoted by A.G. Noorani in his book ‘The Trial of Bhagat Singh’) The Tribune on 14th July 1929, published the full statement of Bhagat Singh and Batukeshwar Dutt as red out by Diwan Chaman Lall in the house.

Jinnah referred to Punjab in his speech by saying that’ the Punjab seems to be a terrible place…..’. He questioned the British Government, while discussing the amendment proposed by Home member James Crerar, ‘Do you wish to prosecute them or persecute them?

Crerar not only damned Bhagat Singh and Dutt, he condemned 1915-17 first Lahore conspiracy case and 1925 Kakori case prisoners as well.

Jinnah challenged law member of the assembly to starve himself a little to know the impact of hunger strike on human body by saying-‘ it is not everybody who can go on starving himself to death. Try it for a little while and you will see’.

To Mr. Crerar, he rebutted by giving an example of Mr. Cosgrave, Prime Minister of Ireland, who was under sentence of death, a fortnight prior to getting invitation to form Government. Jinnah said in so many countries, not only youth, but even grey bearded persons have committed serious offenses, moved by patriotic impulses.

Jinnah asked British Government that after all what these youth were demanding from government, by going on hunger strike-‘Do they want spring mattresses? Do they want dressing tables? Do they want a set of toile requisites? No, Sir, they asked for bare necessities and a little better treatment. I ask you in all decency, why cannot you concede this small thing?’

Jinnah’s speech began on 12 Sept. and was concluded on 14th Sept. He put the British Government on mat by his brilliant exposure of British design-‘ Don’t you think that, instead of trying to proceed with an iron hand and pursuing a policy of repression against your own subjects, It would be better if you realized the root cause of the resentment and of the struggle, that the people are carrying on?’

Jinnah even warned the government in this context-‘ Money of the tax payer will (must) not be wasted in prosecuting men, nay citizens, who are fighting and struggling for the freedom of their country.’ According to A.G. Noorani, Jinnah had high esteem for Bhagat Singh and his comrades. Jinnah also said that if this amendment was passed then the trial would be just ‘ a travesty of justice’.

Jinnah was supported my Moti Lal Nehru, Jaykar, Rafi Ahmed Kidwai etc. Amendment was carried through by 55 votes against 47. Jinnah had voted against. Even in February 1929 speech in assembly, Jinnah had condoled the death of Lala Lajpat Rai, with whom he had cordial relations. Also he pleaded for the release of Sikh leaders gaoled in connection with Sikh Gurdwara Act and opposed the detention of many nationalists like Vallabh Bhai Patel, Anne Besant, Ali Brothers, Hasrat Mohani etc.
Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev were tried under the amended act and after a sham trial, were hanged on 23 March 1931, ‘ A travesty of justice’, in the words of Jinnah.



Writer is Professor at J.N.U. New Delhi and editor of ‘Bhagat Singh’s Complete Documents’ in Hindi.


Professor Chaman Lal

Centre of Indian Languages (SLL & CS)

J.N.U. New Delhi- 110067
 
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And RobbieS do you know at the place where they were hanged is known as Shadman Chowk in Lahore Pakistan, every year here people observe the Bhagati Mahram to pay tribute to the martyers of freedom of sub-Continent.
 
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Indeed Gandhi did not support Bhagat Singh. Anyway thats a long debate.

I was just replying to the post of Justin who was much angry why Pakistani members were not commenting.


So here thought it my responsibility to make him realise that founer father of Pakistan, Qaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was the man who stood by Bhagat Singh when even Gandhi and other Indian leaders did not.

I hope all those bigots in India who abuse Jinnah should have some conscience and realise that Jinnah was a real visionary leader and always stood by principles.

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1. First of all replying does not mean u come down to false propaganda.

2. We don't abuse jinnah in fact we are great full to him that we get the pakistan separated. Believe me only old people regret that the young are very great full to jinnah for that favor.

3. Why post off topic troll and bring Gandhiji into this???????

4. You should appreciate Bhagat Singh and other Shaheed and instead of that you started flame.
 
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And RobbieS do you know at the place where they were hanged is known as Shadman Chowk in Lahore Pakistan, every year here people observe the Bhagati Mahram to pay tribute to the martyers of freedom of sub-Continent.



@ Jana

Why are u trying to escape after starting a troll????????

U have not replied to my queries????????


Where did it proves Jinnah a lawyer of Bhagat Singh???????

What's your take on Asif Ali Saheb???????????
 
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RobbieS he was staunch supporter of Bhagat and others with him . He debated the case in the parliament and grilled the Britishers.

here is something from an Indian Writer . You can also read the book of AG Noorani who gave a detailed account of freedom movement and Bhagat Singh

Nobody denied it.... Hon. Jinnah is still a freedom fighter and we do respect that. Not all like Gandhi and so is Bhagat Singh and so is Jinnah.
When it comes to freedom struggle in the sub-continent all who contribbuted their bit needs to be prased as it was collective effort across the sub-continent.

Maybe we are divided now due to partition... Thats a different event.

On 23 rd march let us also salute bhagat singh's lawyer Quaid-e-Azam Muhaamad Ali Jinnah who stood by bhagat Singh when other Indian leaders did not .
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Why is this in BOLD Blue Size 3 .... the fact is he was not his lawyer. By yelling you dont try to prove a point.

Justin's simple question was only why Pakistanis were not posting here in this thread and he wasn't angry for it.
 
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And RobbieS do you know at the place where they were hanged is known as Shadman Chowk in Lahore Pakistan, every year here people observe the Bhagati Mahram to pay tribute to the martyers of freedom of sub-Continent.

We do appreciate this as there is respect for freedom fighters from other religion also in Pakistan.
 
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RobbieS he was staunch supporter of Bhagat and others with him . He debated the case in the parliament and grilled the Britishers.

here is something from an Indian Writer . You can also read the book of AG Noorani who gave a detailed account of freedom movement and Bhagat Singh

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On 12th and 14th Septeber 1929, in Central Assembly, Jinnah made a long speech in context of Bhagat Singh and his comrade’s hunger strike and British imperialist design to hang these patriots with the sham of a trial ‘in absence of the accused’. It was the time, when even many Congressmen in assembly had condemned Bhagat Singh and B.K. Dutt for throwing bombs in assembly on 8th April 1929, for which they were ‘transported for life’, within one month in May 1929. When they went on hunger strike in jail in protest against misbehavior with them by jail staff and to demand status of political prisoner and human behavior with them in jail, British came with an amendment in criminal procedure code waiving the condition of presence of accused or their pleader in the court, thus by a sham trial convicting them in hurried manner.

The Tribune’s special correspondent for Shimla reported that while participating in the debate in central assembly on British bill, on 12th Sept. 1929, Jinnah said, The man who goes on hunger strike has a soul. He is moved by the soul and he believes in the justice of his cause’. The Tribune report mentioned, ‘Mr. Jinnah created a profound impression by the excellent form in which he argued the case. xxx Mr. Jinnah was proceeding in this strain winning applause after applause from the spellbound house’. (Quoted by A.G. Noorani in his book ‘The Trial of Bhagat Singh’) The Tribune on 14th July 1929, published the full statement of Bhagat Singh and Batukeshwar Dutt as red out by Diwan Chaman Lall in the house.

Jinnah referred to Punjab in his speech by saying that’ the Punjab seems to be a terrible place…..’. He questioned the British Government, while discussing the amendment proposed by Home member James Crerar, ‘Do you wish to prosecute them or persecute them?

Crerar not only damned Bhagat Singh and Dutt, he condemned 1915-17 first Lahore conspiracy case and 1925 Kakori case prisoners as well.

Jinnah challenged law member of the assembly to starve himself a little to know the impact of hunger strike on human body by saying-‘ it is not everybody who can go on starving himself to death. Try it for a little while and you will see’.

To Mr. Crerar, he rebutted by giving an example of Mr. Cosgrave, Prime Minister of Ireland, who was under sentence of death, a fortnight prior to getting invitation to form Government. Jinnah said in so many countries, not only youth, but even grey bearded persons have committed serious offenses, moved by patriotic impulses.

Jinnah asked British Government that after all what these youth were demanding from government, by going on hunger strike-‘Do they want spring mattresses? Do they want dressing tables? Do they want a set of toile requisites? No, Sir, they asked for bare necessities and a little better treatment. I ask you in all decency, why cannot you concede this small thing?’

Jinnah’s speech began on 12 Sept. and was concluded on 14th Sept. He put the British Government on mat by his brilliant exposure of British design-‘ Don’t you think that, instead of trying to proceed with an iron hand and pursuing a policy of repression against your own subjects, It would be better if you realized the root cause of the resentment and of the struggle, that the people are carrying on?’

Jinnah even warned the government in this context-‘ Money of the tax payer will (must) not be wasted in prosecuting men, nay citizens, who are fighting and struggling for the freedom of their country.’ According to A.G. Noorani, Jinnah had high esteem for Bhagat Singh and his comrades. Jinnah also said that if this amendment was passed then the trial would be just ‘ a travesty of justice’.

Jinnah was supported my Moti Lal Nehru, Jaykar, Rafi Ahmed Kidwai etc. Amendment was carried through by 55 votes against 47. Jinnah had voted against. Even in February 1929 speech in assembly, Jinnah had condoled the death of Lala Lajpat Rai, with whom he had cordial relations. Also he pleaded for the release of Sikh leaders gaoled in connection with Sikh Gurdwara Act and opposed the detention of many nationalists like Vallabh Bhai Patel, Anne Besant, Ali Brothers, Hasrat Mohani etc.
Bhagat Singh, Rajguru and Sukhdev were tried under the amended act and after a sham trial, were hanged on 23 March 1931, ‘ A travesty of justice’, in the words of Jinnah.



Writer is Professor at J.N.U. New Delhi and editor of ‘Bhagat Singh’s Complete Documents’ in Hindi.


Professor Chaman Lal

Centre of Indian Languages (SLL & CS)

J.N.U. New Delhi- 110067


That doesnot make Jinnah lawyer of Bhagat singh....

Stop Jana, I am reading about Bhagat Singh since 1st standard........never came across that Jinnah was his lawyer
 
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:) we will comment dont worry. Declaring him as freedom fighters amounts to decalring all those fighting against India as freedom fighters.

This shows your personal respect to freedom fighters....
None of the freedom fighters kill civilians.

Back off u little girl ...
 
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Seriously guys, stop bashing her. We have made out point clear. We surely cannot change distorted minds. So, please contribute to the thread.
 
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And RobbieS do you know at the place where they were hanged is known as Shadman Chowk in Lahore Pakistan, every year here people observe the Bhagati Mahram to pay tribute to the martyers of freedom of sub-Continent.

Thanks for the information Jana. I had no idea about Jinnah's views on this matter.

And I didn't know about Shadman Chowk either. I have visited Hussainiwala in Ferozepur a number of times. Thats where the samadhis of the three heroes are located as thats the place where they were hurriedly cremated by the coward Brits.
 
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