Married at 16, given triple talaq at 18, girl urges PM to enforce uniform code

[baajey]

Yes the parents should also be punished. but the problem is the "secular" brigade will come and say you are interfering in our laws and practices

please dont confuse secular with "sickular"

 

[Soumitra]

please dont confuse secular with "sickular"

I wrote "secular" in quotes. There is no actual secular party in India

 

[baajey]

I wrote "secular" in quotes. There is no actual secular party in India

i was not referring to any party either.
one is not bound to form a "party" to be heard. btw, whats so bad about secularism ? plz do keep in mind that i m not referring to the appeasement policy by previous govts.

 

[RoadRunner401]

People say that the community should reform internally. Well they have been given 70 years and still not reform. If some voices of refoms come like BMMA (Bharatiya Muslim Mahila Andolan) they say these are anti Islamic. Congress and other parties will never do it

Your passion to reform bad Muslims is honorable, but ignoring the widely and openly Devadasi and Jogini systems a form of religiously sanctioned sexual abuse carried out by higher cast Hindus on underage girls is a bit confusing since the bad Muslim guy married her and then wanted a divorce could have several reasons, but higher cast Hindu men are simply raping underage kids, without a peep from passionate people like you make me feel that you agree with this and find it to be OK.

 

[Soumitra]

Your passion to reform bad Muslims is honorable, but ignoring the widely and openly Devadasi and Jogini systems a form of religiously sanctioned sexual abuse carried out by higher cast Hindus on underage girls is a bit confusing since the bad Muslim guy married her and then wanted a divorce could have several reasons, but higher cast Hindu men are simply raping underage kids, without a peep from passionate people like you make me feel that you agree with this and find it to be OK.

What devdaasi and jogini system? which era are you looking at. This is 2016.
All these practices have long been outlawed. Any voilation of these laws is dealt by the authorities. triple Talaq is still legal way to divorce

 

[Soumitra]

Man goes to Madarsa to understand Muslim viewpoint, is accused of interference

ByOpIndia Staff
Posted on October 24, 2016


Dehradun based Alok Bhatt decided to take an extra step and learn about common Indian Muslim’s views on issues like triple talaq and Uniform Civil Code (UCC), but little did he know that he will find himself in middle of a controversy and unknown calls following this rather admirable effort.

Alok, who is an active Twitter user, visited a local Madarsa on Saturday and talked to a few children studying there and other men accompanying those children or managing affairs of the Madarsa. Later, he shared his experience in shape of a series of tweets.

In his tweets, Alok praised the hafiz (caretaker) of Madarsa for being welcoming and talked to a few students about their studies, career plans, etc. Later he talked to a couple of men about their views on ongoing debate over triple talaq and UCC.

One of the men, Alok spoke to, opened up and told him about his sister who was divorced by her husband and she was left to fend for herself. He accepted that it was unfair on his sister, but claimed that triple talaq was part of the Holy Quran, as was told to him by a Maulavi the previous day.

Alok was given some pamphlets, which were distributed in the Madarsa for the women in local community to fill up. Muslim women were supposed to sign these pamphlets and declare that they were “fully satisfied” with rulings of Islamic Shariah, particularly about marriage, inheritance, and divorce, and that they “fully support” the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (which has vowed to retain the triple talaq practice).


A sample pamphlet that Alok saw in the Madarsa (a higher resolution variant can be seen by clicking here).

It should be noted that the Law Commission has asked people to send their views on UCC and other related issues, and it appears that Madarsas are being used to create this public “support” in sync with views of the AIMPLB. This “wave of support” will later be conveyed to the Law Commission, declaring that Muslim women in India are happy with the status quo.

But are they really happy? When Alok probed the man further and asked for his views on triple talaq given what his sister had to undergo, the man got emotional, and said – what can we do? we are poor – and went inside.

Alok later shared his experience on Twitter and made a case about importance of understanding Indian Muslims by having a dialogue with them as a commoner – a conclusion anyone can hardly disagree with.

However, phone calls started coming in the following day after his series of tweets were shared by many. People claiming to speak on behalf of Muslim organizations told him that he shouldn’t have visited the Madarsa and talked about issues like talaq to young children (even though he talked to them only about studies).

There was a call that virtually accused him of trying to “interfere” in religious matters and of “misinterpreting” Islam. Perhaps this accusation flew from the fact that Alok had asked one Maulavi about proof of triple talaq being present in Quran – an argument many Muslim scholars too have made (that triple talaq is nowhere mentioned in the Quran).

These phone calls didn’t stop and Alok found himself in the middle of a controversy that he never intended to trigger. His tweets had suddenly become “controversial”. He even tweeted “I will NOT delete the tweets” last night, but found the pressure from certain quarters a bit too much.

“My entire intention was to reach out, but I was being accused of interfering,” Alok said when OpIndia.com got in touch with him, “As tone of calls changed, I realized that perhaps it is better that I don’t talk about this. I don’t want to get into some legal trouble, being accused of blasphemy or creating enmities between communities when my intentions were just the opposite. What better proof of my clear intention than the fact that I left my telephone number with the Madarsa teacher?”

As a result, on Monday morning, Alok deactivated his Twitter account.

He still can’t believe that he had to face this after such an honest dialogue without any ill will or bias.

“It was so poignant, humbling, and yet so troubling experience when I heard the story of someone’s sister,” Alok told OpIndia.com on phone, “But I didn’t know that I will have to face calls from unknown people asking me to explain my visit and intentions.”

Alok told OpIndia.com that he will wait for the “controversy” to die down and then will decide whether to be back on Twitter.

And while Alok decides not to tweet or say anything on the matter, those pamphlets are being signed by Muslim women, who perhaps don’t even know what they are signing on, telling the Law Commission that they don’t need any change.

 

[livingdead]

Pure abuse of religion. Sadly, no nation is able to take the steps needed to disable the hegemony of current Islamic religious theologians and leadership.
Instead of educated folk that can apply both exposure and various world views to interpret and reinterpret religious texts and ideas; we have these ignorant gluttonous , misogynistic and patriarchal dodos leading it.

muslim religious leaders who oppose triple talaq should come out and openly say it.. currently all india muslim personal law board is acting as only representative of muslims... and only people demanding the removal are muslim women and muslim left wing intellectuals(and bjpwallah with their hidden agenda).

 

[SQ8]

muslim religious leaders who oppose triple talaq should come out and openly say it.. currently all india muslim personal law board is acting as only representative of muslims... and only people demanding the removal are muslim women and muslim left wing intellectuals(and bjpwallah with their hidden agenda).

The laws favor the religious leadership. In addition, their entire legitimacy is based on enforcement of archaic interpretations and any evolutionary or revolutionary ideas are quashed or ignored.

The Muslim religious leaders of today in gen have made zero positive contributions to humanity in the past 75 years. The negative impact is going to end up exceeding the length of "war and peace" if recorded

 

[[Bregs]]

i have often noticed in any religion the clerics or religious scholars often end up hurting the image of there religion more then any other outsider

 

[SQ8]

Man goes to Madarsa to understand Muslim viewpoint, is accused of interference

ByOpIndia Staff
Posted on October 24, 2016


Dehradun based Alok Bhatt decided to take an extra step and learn about common Indian Muslim’s views on issues like triple talaq and Uniform Civil Code (UCC), but little did he know that he will find himself in middle of a controversy and unknown calls following this rather admirable effort.

Alok, who is an active Twitter user, visited a local Madarsa on Saturday and talked to a few children studying there and other men accompanying those children or managing affairs of the Madarsa. Later, he shared his experience in shape of a series of tweets.

In his tweets, Alok praised the hafiz (caretaker) of Madarsa for being welcoming and talked to a few students about their studies, career plans, etc. Later he talked to a couple of men about their views on ongoing debate over triple talaq and UCC.

One of the men, Alok spoke to, opened up and told him about his sister who was divorced by her husband and she was left to fend for herself. He accepted that it was unfair on his sister, but claimed that triple talaq was part of the Holy Quran, as was told to him by a Maulavi the previous day.

Alok was given some pamphlets, which were distributed in the Madarsa for the women in local community to fill up. Muslim women were supposed to sign these pamphlets and declare that they were “fully satisfied” with rulings of Islamic Shariah, particularly about marriage, inheritance, and divorce, and that they “fully support” the All India Muslim Personal Law Board (which has vowed to retain the triple talaq practice).


A sample pamphlet that Alok saw in the Madarsa (a higher resolution variant can be seen by clicking here).

It should be noted that the Law Commission has asked people to send their views on UCC and other related issues, and it appears that Madarsas are being used to create this public “support” in sync with views of the AIMPLB. This “wave of support” will later be conveyed to the Law Commission, declaring that Muslim women in India are happy with the status quo.

But are they really happy? When Alok probed the man further and asked for his views on triple talaq given what his sister had to undergo, the man got emotional, and said – what can we do? we are poor – and went inside.

Alok later shared his experience on Twitter and made a case about importance of understanding Indian Muslims by having a dialogue with them as a commoner – a conclusion anyone can hardly disagree with.

However, phone calls started coming in the following day after his series of tweets were shared by many. People claiming to speak on behalf of Muslim organizations told him that he shouldn’t have visited the Madarsa and talked about issues like talaq to young children (even though he talked to them only about studies).

There was a call that virtually accused him of trying to “interfere” in religious matters and of “misinterpreting” Islam. Perhaps this accusation flew from the fact that Alok had asked one Maulavi about proof of triple talaq being present in Quran – an argument many Muslim scholars too have made (that triple talaq is nowhere mentioned in the Quran).

These phone calls didn’t stop and Alok found himself in the middle of a controversy that he never intended to trigger. His tweets had suddenly become “controversial”. He even tweeted “I will NOT delete the tweets” last night, but found the pressure from certain quarters a bit too much.

“My entire intention was to reach out, but I was being accused of interfering,” Alok said when OpIndia.com got in touch with him, “As tone of calls changed, I realized that perhaps it is better that I don’t talk about this. I don’t want to get into some legal trouble, being accused of blasphemy or creating enmities between communities when my intentions were just the opposite. What better proof of my clear intention than the fact that I left my telephone number with the Madarsa teacher?”

As a result, on Monday morning, Alok deactivated his Twitter account.

He still can’t believe that he had to face this after such an honest dialogue without any ill will or bias.

“It was so poignant, humbling, and yet so troubling experience when I heard the story of someone’s sister,” Alok told OpIndia.com on phone, “But I didn’t know that I will have to face calls from unknown people asking me to explain my visit and intentions.”

Alok told OpIndia.com that he will wait for the “controversy” to die down and then will decide whether to be back on Twitter.

And while Alok decides not to tweet or say anything on the matter, those pamphlets are being signed by Muslim women, who perhaps don’t even know what they are signing on, telling the Law Commission that they don’t need any change.

Laughable when the Madressa folk talk of misinterpretation regarding the Quran.
Most of what they teach is misinterpreted specifically with a bias towards enforcing a patriarchal society that is bound to be run by these hollow theologians

 

[Soumitra]

https://twitter.com/x/status/806750056506241025

 

[padamchen]

only people demanding the removal are muslim women

Is it really that hard to wonder why?

What would be really disappoint would be if educated Muslim men like Owaisi do not add their weight behind the women as well.

And triple talak may be a current hot potato topic, but there are so many more when it comes to inheritance and property.