March 4 ,2023: Another Kashmiri mujahid killed in Pakistan

[Skimming]

I don’t follow Kashmiri terrorists much as long a overall peace is maintained in the valley.

The only connection I can make is that Pak government has lost use of these terror assets and is now assisting in their wipeout similar to what Benazir did with Khalistanis in Pakistan and abroad, handed them on a platter to Indian agencies in return for Siachin.

Last time Rajiv Gandhi had promised to vacate siachin in return for killing off Khalistanis to help Benazir win polls and control the army, this time might be similar given the current election turmoil and people accusing the army..

Ye kaunsa naya theory hai????!!!!!!!!

Is it true? Be honest. Completely or partially?

@AgnosticIndian @VkdIndian @INDIAPOSITIVE @-=virus=- @langda khan

 

[AA_]

I have Read the Book too and I too have NOT come across any such passage.

In fact, let me quote from the book and from the chapters on kashmir,

Page 53,

"Two star shells drifted slowly down from the moonless sky, blazing an intense, sharp-edged magnesium light over the pine forests below. Off to our left, beyond the next hill, Indian border guards began firing shimmering volleys of tracer bullets. From somewhere farther behind the fortified Line of Control (LOC) that divides Kashmir, a battery of Indian 81mm mortars opened fire.

Rashid laughed. “They are frightened. The Indians are firing at ghosts again.” Indeed, Indian troops guarding the ceasefire line in Kashmir were jumpy and trigger-happy. Small bands of mujahedin (holy warriors), were slipping across the hilly, wooded border each night to join the national uprising in the Indian-held portion of Kashmir. The nervous Indians fired at every sound, at anything that moved in the night.

We were huddled down behind a small knoll, shivering slightly as the damp cold of the Kashmir mountains penetrated our olivedrab field jackets. After a few minutes, the firing abated, then ceased completely. The rising wind stirred the tall pines around us. Rashid rose to his feet and began surveying the Indian positions below us through a pair of powerful German field glasses. He had come up to the front line that night to study Indian defenses. I had joined him on the reconnaissance mission, eager to have a close look at the barrier defenses on the Indian"


Page 54,

"side of the Line of Control, a series of strongpoints behind a lethal barrier of thick razor wire, minefields, and delicate sensors that detected movement and sound.

Rashid had made, as I had, a very long, arduous journey to join the intifada in Kashmir. At some time in the distant past, Rashid had been an engineering student in Iraq. He showed me an old, dog-eared photo of himself: youthful, beardless, and slim. Now, many years and more pounds later, the burly Rashid looked the picture of a modern Islamic holy warrior, with his thick black beard, regulation Chitral knitted hat from Afghanistan, green field outfit and combat boots, AK-47 Kalashnikov, and a brace of Chinese-made grenades.

Soon after graduating from university in Baghdad, Rashid went off to Pakistan to join the great jihad (holy war), that was being waged against the Soviet army in Afghanistan. For Rashid, and thousands of other idealistic young Muslim men and women, the struggle against the Communists in Afghanistan was not merely a crusade against evil and oppression; it seemed, at the time, a path that would lead the downtrodden Islamic world to renewal and dignity.

Rashid had joined the Islamic International Brigade and fought the Communists for four years in the 1980s in Afghanistan, where he was trained by the CIA as a heavy weapons specialist. We heard a series of rapid explosions about a mile off to our left. Rashid told me Indian howitzers were firing at a nullah, a narrow, dry gully that intersected the border at a right angle, and that provided a sheltered corridor along which mujahedin units slipped across the border between the Indian and Pakistani parts of Kashmir. Indian patrols were either using newly acquired nightvision devices to spot and then bring fire down on a group of holy warriors who were trying to penetrate the minefields and wire along the LOC, or were merely interdicting a known crossing point with random shelling."

Page 59,

"After six hours of this unrelenting torture, we arrive at Muzzafarabad, the grandly named capital of the third of the mountain state controlled by Pakistan, Azad Kashmir. The city is very far from impressive. It is a dismal collection of moldering concrete buildings and wooden shacks set in a dreary valley, with the usual Indo-Pakistani urban backdrop of broken-down vehicles, stray animals, street urchins, refuse heaps, ugly overhead power lines, and squalid shops lit by a single, dim fluorescent bulb giving off a funereal blue glow. I was not impressed. Could this truly be the gateway to fabled Kashmir?

I was escorted, with much solemnity, to meet the prime minister of Azad Kashmir, a soft-spoken, venerable gentleman with a very white beard, neatly attired in a gray Nehru jacket and a high Karakul fur hat. Very politely, in his gentle voice, he denounced the impious, godless Indians who were raping and pillaging his beloved Kashmir. “You must study the Holy Koran,” he admonished me gently, wagging a finger and showing "

Page 60,

"grandfatherly concern for the visiting nonbeliever. “Allah will guide us to the true path in Kashmir, and smite the ungodly.” Brave words, but there were some 840 million ungodly Hindus across the border.

The prime minister seemed to have little else of note to say. We exchanged platitudes, and drank milky tea. Known as chai, this form of tea is unique to the Asian subcontinent. To make it properly, you must take a battered, blackened, greasy aluminum pan; add contaminated water, two or three tablespoonfuls of insect-infested sugar, raw, unpasteurized milk, and black, perfumed tea; then boil it all up into a sweet white drink that will either cure whatever ails travelers to these parts or, more likely, leave you with Q fever, cholera, and assorted parasites. In these parts, tea cannot be refused when offered, which it always is. I discreetly gulped down an antibiotic capsule I had learned to always keep secreted in my pocket for just such social occasions.

I was relieved to bid the venerable prime minister farewell and continue our journey to see the refugee camps in Azad Kashmir and continue on to the front at Chokoti. We left town, and crossed the rushing river over an old, groaning Bailey bridge left over from World War II. There was a large flag-decked stone arch surmounting its far end, bearing a sign proclaiming “Welcome to Azad Kashmir.” We drove through, leaving melancholy Muzzafarabad well behind."


Page 78,

"foreign “Afghani” who had remained in and around Peshawar, went to Kashmir to train and assist the fighters of the new intifada. The Afghan veterans brought the Kashmiri mujahedin a wealth of combat experience and badly needed training in logistics, communications, and planning. Equally important, they infused the Kashmiris with Islamic fervor, and provided living proof that faith, courage, and determination could overcome seemingly overwhelming odds.

In the years from 1990 to 1995, Kashmiri resistance forces were estimated to number between 25,000 and 30,000 fighters, divided into a score of different groups. Some of the rebels received military training in Pakistan from the ISI, and automatic weapons, mortars, and munitions were supplied to them across the border. This assistance, combined with help from Afghan mujahedin advisors, transformed the Kashmiris from a ragtag maquis into moderately effective guerrilla fighters, well able to put Indian security forces on the defensive.

The resistance ambushed Indian patrols, cut up convoys, killed stragglers, and staged frequent grenade and bomb attacks to make life miserable for Indian military personnel in the crowded cities and towns. Mountainous Kashmir was far better suited to guerrilla warfare than largely flat Punjab: its forested hills and high ground offered ample refuge for irregular forces, who easily eluded the slow-moving Indian forces pursuing them. Large-scale anti-guerrilla sweeps by ponderous Indian regular forces proved equally ineffective.

Though India has gained the upper hand militarily in Kashmir, its repression, denounced without cease by Indian and international human rights organizations such as Amnesty International, Asia Watch, and Physicians for Human Rights, continues relentlessly. Indian authorities have banned many rights groups and journalists from Kashmir, using the excuse that “the time is not right for a visit.” India simply does not want the world to see what it is doing in Kashmir. "

Here you go:

Page 91

Nadji chain-smoked and coughed as we spoke, his lanky, gaunt frame shaken by chronic bronchitis brought on by endless cigarettes, stress, the dust in Egypt, and now Kashmir’s cold, damp climate. “At first, we could move across the LOC easily. We’d go over at night, and attack Indian patrols or watch posts with mortars, RPGS (rocket-propelled grenades), and automatic weapons. The Indians usually panicked, and fired everywhere.

“The Hindus made the Afghan Communist soldiers look brave.” He laughed scornfully. “We killed a lot of them. Many just ran away.” News that fierce Afghan mujahedin veterans, who showed no mercy and took no prisoners, were operating in Kashmir, demoralized Indian troops and kept them hunkered down in their fortified positions.

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Would you like me to post photos too? I’m sure I can get them to send some over, and I can tag every one of you akLUND Bharati in my post.

I wouldn’t call you cowardly, though the folks I personally know, definitely do, and none of them are Muslims. They called you cowardly by nature, and said Churchill was absolutely right about a United India being easily taken over by Muslims. I told them, it’s not cowardly, it’s inherent fear of being subjugated. That’s why you ilks are obsessed with Muslims, Islam, Pakistan etc. can’t shake it off.

@Sayfullah @kingQamaR @Abid123 @Genghis khan1 @Dalit @Battlion25

 

[-=virus=-]

terrorist infighting is leading to them taking each other out

 

[DabbuSardar]

Ye kaunsa naya theory hai????!!!!!!!!

Is it true? Be honest. Completely or partially?

@AgnosticIndian @VkdIndian @INDIAPOSITIVE @-=virus=- @langda khan

Its a local Khalistanis lores that seems true since Benazir accepted it later in her life- Benazir went in alone in a room with Rajiv and Rajiv came out with the “khalistani lists”

Benazir accepting that story-

Benazir Bhut ..
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"If anyone kept the word, it was I, not Rajiv. He (Rajiv) went back to India and then called me on his way to the Commonwealth to say that he could not keep his promise to withdraw from Siachen and that he would do it only after the 1989 election," Bhutto alleged. She said: "There was not a fly on the wall. How can anyone say I have not kept my promises when the single biggest result of that meeting was the end of the Sikh insurgency."

If anyone kept the word, it was I, not Rajiv. He (Rajiv) went back to India and then called me on his way to the Commonwealth to say that he could not keep his promise to withdraw from Siachen and that he would do it only after the 1989 election," Bhutto alleged. She said: "There was not a fly on the wall. How can anyone say I have not kept my promises when the single biggest result of that meeting was the end of the Sikh insurgency."


Read more at:
http://m.timesofindia.com/articlesh...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

A leaf from history: The rise and fall of the Khalistan movement

India accused Pakistan of supporting the burgeoning Sikh uprising, but eventually,

www.dawn.com

 

[SQ8]

terrorist infighting is leading to them taking each other out

How about a different view - maybe the TTP was on a recruiting spree and all that is being done is taking out currently unemployed but in 2nd round of interviews candidates?

 

[-=virus=-]

How about a different view - maybe the TTP was on a recruiting spree and all that is being done is taking out currently unemployed but in 2nd round of interviews candidates?

you never know, but possible..

man, these guys are brutal, factionalism is also known to be rampant among such groups

 

[KedarT]

I have often heard this refrain that Pakistan hasn't done enough on Kashmir. Being a common civilian I thought Pakistan has tried it's best. Did I miss anything? What more can Pakistan do?

@TopGun786 @Paitoo @-=virus=- @Skull and Bones @SoulSpokesman @my2cents @Cheepek @DabbuSardar @MilSpec @RandyB @prashantazazel @Krptonite @migflug @Sharma Ji @KedarT

They did what they could do with their limited means. But no way did they overstretch themselves, it has been mostly half-hearted.

 

[SQ8]

you never know, but possible..

man, these guys are brutal, factionalism is also known to be rampant among such groups

Keep in mind - all such groups, including Nagas and otherwise and even the Mukti Bahni tend to attract a certain category of men(no comment or inference to this individual). Heck even Subhash Bose was open to such men - with checkered pasts. Not saying all or even the majority are like this - but between your believers and cultists you have the runaway thief or gang member

 

[-=virus=-]

Keep in mind - all such groups, including Nagas and otherwise and even the Mukti Bahni tend to attract a certain category of men(no comment or inference to this individual). Heck even Subhash Bose was open to such men - with checkered pasts. Not saying all or even the majority are like this - but between your believers and cultists you have the runaway thief or gang member

the runaway thief ?

more like hordes of them

desis are like this only.. dekha mauka, maara chawka

which probably goes a long way into explaining why this part of the world is the way it is

aap toh nikal liye, rest of us (across borders) gotta mad max our way through life mostly

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@AA_

Pakistan establishment had the Indians on the ropes in the 90s, but refused to drive home their advantages

Why not? Seems quite strange.

Regards

 

[Skimming]

I don’t follow Kashmiri terrorists much as long a overall peace is maintained in the valley.

The only connection I can make is that Pak government has lost use of these terror assets and is now assisting in their wipeout similar to what Benazir did with Khalistanis in Pakistan and abroad, handed them on a platter to Indian agencies in return for Siachin.

Last time Rajiv Gandhi had promised to vacate siachin in return for killing off Khalistanis to help Benazir win polls and control the army, this time might be similar given the current election turmoil and people accusing the army..

Ye kaunsa naya theory hai????!!!!!!!!

Is it true? Be honest. Completely or partially?

@AgnosticIndian @VkdIndian @INDIAPOSITIVE @-=virus=- @langda khan

@SoulSpokesman

 

[surmabhopali]

All these events are related to for controlling the money collected for kashmir jihad .

 

[Genghis khan1]

Here you go:

Page 91

Nadji chain-smoked and coughed as we spoke, his lanky, gaunt frame shaken by chronic bronchitis brought on by endless cigarettes, stress, the dust in Egypt, and now Kashmir’s cold, damp climate. “At first, we could move across the LOC easily. We’d go over at night, and attack Indian patrols or watch posts with mortars, RPGS (rocket-propelled grenades), and automatic weapons. The Indians usually panicked, and fired everywhere.

“The Hindus made the Afghan Communist soldiers look brave.” He laughed scornfully. “We killed a lot of them. Many just ran away.” News that fierce Afghan mujahedin veterans, who showed no mercy and took no prisoners, were operating in Kashmir, demoralized Indian troops and kept them hunkered down in their fortified positions.

/////

Would you like me to post photos too? I’m sure I can get them to send some over, and I can tag every one of you akLUND Bharati in my post.

I wouldn’t call you cowardly, though the folks I personally know, definitely do, and none of them are Muslims. They called you cowardly by nature, and said Churchill was absolutely right about a United India being easily taken over by Muslims. I told them, it’s not cowardly, it’s inherent fear of being subjugated. That’s why you ilks are obsessed with Muslims, Islam, Pakistan etc. can’t shake it off.

@Sayfullah @kingQamaR @Abid123 @Genghis khan1 @Dalit @Battlion25

Where is this excerpt from?

 

[Sayfullah]

It’s not infighting. The famous “unknown gunman” are taking them out.

 

[PakFactor]

Here you go:

Page 91

Nadji chain-smoked and coughed as we spoke, his lanky, gaunt frame shaken by chronic bronchitis brought on by endless cigarettes, stress, the dust in Egypt, and now Kashmir’s cold, damp climate. “At first, we could move across the LOC easily. We’d go over at night, and attack Indian patrols or watch posts with mortars, RPGS (rocket-propelled grenades), and automatic weapons. The Indians usually panicked, and fired everywhere.

“The Hindus made the Afghan Communist soldiers look brave.” He laughed scornfully. “We killed a lot of them. Many just ran away.” News that fierce Afghan mujahedin veterans, who showed no mercy and took no prisoners, were operating in Kashmir, demoralized Indian troops and kept them hunkered down in their fortified positions.

/////

Would you like me to post photos too? I’m sure I can get them to send some over, and I can tag every one of you akLUND Bharati in my post.

I wouldn’t call you cowardly, though the folks I personally know, definitely do, and none of them are Muslims. They called you cowardly by nature, and said Churchill was absolutely right about a United India being easily taken over by Muslims. I told them, it’s not cowardly, it’s inherent fear of being subjugated. That’s why you ilks are obsessed with Muslims, Islam, Pakistan etc. can’t shake it off.

@Sayfullah @kingQamaR @Abid123 @Genghis khan1 @Dalit @Battlion25

Post the pics!