Mangalore college bans burqa in class

[Fasih Khan]

Mad man yelling

 

[vsdoc]

wassup Fasih

Nice to see you smile.

Now try and behave or I'll be back ....

 

[Armstrong]

Not really. Indeed God knows the truth. But interpretation is within a set limit. Interpretation does not mean that you make a mole out of a hill. There are set limits and bounds to interpretation and the Quran explicitly instructs us to not transgress (in this case, extrapolate the meanings of verses)

Well thats the thing about 'religion' init...? People can and they do make a mole out of a hill (nice proverb !) because those 'limits' and 'bounds' and 'what is transgression and what isn't' are very relative and judgemental things ! Hence why I, previously, talked about 'Ijtihad' by the Parliament so that all interpretations are brought to the table and questions like these are finally put to the rest by letting the women from all walks of life decide on everything from abortion, to domestic abuse to 'the burqa'!

It is their personal choice because it has become a habit of them since childhood. If you are forced to wear burka since teenage, it will automatically become your "choice" (habitual) when you grow up to be a woman?

And yes, the survey was for teenagers. So, it is not a presumptuous statement.

One might argue that if a child is wearing anything from childhood...whether its a burqa, a shirt, something, traditionally thought of as, promiscuous...anything, then it does become habitual and one might use the same logic to chastise them as one would in the case of a 'face-veil' ! And yes, my friend, it is indeed presumptuous, in my humble opinion, to think that 'all or even the majority of women are forced to wear the Burqa'....those who are - Must be bailed out by the Government - but one mustn't look at every Burqa-clad lady through the same prism of 'being-oppressed' ! Like I said...I've met dozens who aren't and I know a few that are...!

 

[Fasih Khan]

wassup Fasih

Nice to see you smile.

Now try and behave or I'll be back ....

Get a cold drink

 

[vsdoc]

Get a cold drink

Wanna split a beer?

 

[King Solomon]

Well thats the thing about 'religion' init...? People can and they do make a mole out of a hill (nice proverb !) because those 'limits' and 'bounds' and 'what is transgression and what isn't' are very relative and judgemental things ! Hence why I, previously, talked about 'Ijtihad' by the Parliament so that all interpretations are brought to the table and questions like these are finally put to the rest by letting the women from all walks of life decide on everything from abortion, to domestic abuse to 'the burqa'!

Well, there are many extremist scholars who preach it is mandatory to wear burka or headcover or else you will go to hell. I do not see how can this not be a transgression? I believe any sensible person would view this as a transgression keeping in mind the Quranic verses concerned. Yes, except those extremist scholars. But we cannot always "take everything" right? We have to fixate on something. And if we fixate on the extremist interpretation it is not only contradictory to Quran, but also injecting our own whims and wishes. And God clearly says the punishment for that in a previous verse which I quoted.

And when these extremists gain majority or rise to the ruling class, you have sharia police like that in Saudi arabia. I do not see how can that not be a transgression? I believe the majority and any sensible person would term that as a severe transgression on part of the state.

One might argue that if a child is wearing anything from childhood...whether its a burqa, a shirt, something, traditionally thought of as, promiscuous...anything, then it does become habitual and one might use the same logic to chastise them as one would in the case of a 'face-veil' ! And yes, my friend, it is indeed presumptuous, in my humble opinion, to think that 'all or even the majority of women are forced to wear the Burqa'....those who are - Must be bailed out by the Government - but one mustn't look at every Burqa-clad lady through the same prism of 'being-oppressed' ! Like I said...I've met dozens who aren't and I know a few that are...!

I do not see how a shirt can be thought of as promiscuous. But the norm of south asian society may be different and to each society and culture, to its own.

As I said, there are many surveys which indicate my 'presumption'. Besides I have some Saudi friends who read in school. They tell me that though the outer-attire is very (supposedly) "islamic" there, people are not islamic by heart. Students feel free to ditch religious classes and in their opinion, would never wear the veil if not forced by regulations.

 

[Fasih Khan]

Wanna split a beer?

Nahhh You have the 'Indian drink' You know what I mean

 

[vsdoc]

Nahhh You have the 'Indian drink' You know what I mean

That's had warm bro. Though has to have a head of foam much like beer.

Acha yeh bata - how do you pronounce your name?

Is it "fassy"?

Or is it "fussy"?

Mast naam hai.

There is a cat whose given two kittens behind our garage whom we need to name, and one of those pusies reminds me a lot of you.

 

[Fasih Khan]

You find a Job. Effecting your mind

 

[Armstrong]

Well, there are many extremist scholars who preach it is mandatory to wear burka or headcover or else you will go to hell. I do not see how can this not be a transgression? I believe any sensible person would view this as a transgression keeping in mind the Quranic verses concerned. Yes, except those extremist scholars. But we cannot always "take everything" right? We have to fixate on something. And if we fixate on the extremist interpretation it is not only contradictory to Quran, but also injecting our own whims and wishes. And God clearly says the punishment for that in a previous verse which I quoted.

And when these extremists gain majority or rise to the ruling class, you have sharia police like that in Saudi arabia. I do not see how can that not be a transgression? I believe the majority and any sensible person would term that as a severe transgression on part of the state.

Mate...not all scholars are extremists and not everyone wearing a burqa is married to someone who beats them day and night and would...I dunno - Blow themselves up ! There are many...many people out there who do wear the Burqa out of their personal choice...because I've known and worked with many such women ! So...let them be !

And yes I do agree that we should try to find an answer to these questions but then 'Secularism' goes out the window because the Government is defining what is transgression (in religious terms) and what isn't ! What interpretation is acceptable and what isn't ? What the Quran says and what it doesn't ! Hence...why I say that let the Parliament and more so the women sitting in the Parliament decide these questions !

I do not see how a shirt can be thought of as promiscuous. But the norm of south asian society may be different and to each society and culture, to its own.

As I said, there are many surveys which indicate my 'presumption'. Besides I have some Saudi friends who read in school. They tell me that though the outer-attire is very (supposedly) "islamic" there, people are not islamic by heart. Students feel free to ditch religious classes and in their opinion, would never wear the veil if not forced by regulations.

I wasn't referring to a shirt being promiscuous (sorry if it came across as such) ! I meant that anything that we do from childhood is habitual and if one is to talk about 'the Burqa' as being something habitual and hence wrong...then one should extend that to every dress that we ever wear. One might argue that because I've always been fond of 'Shorts' and 'Shalwar-Kameez' and I've worn them as far back as I can remember...then they too fall into the same category !

And they, your Saudi friends, shouldn't wear the veil unless they want too...but banning it is not the answer because whereas you're going to liberate some...you're still going to force others to give up something that they interpret as part of their religious obligation ! And so such an action would be, in principle, equally undemocratic and a human rights violation ! So again I say...let the People decide this...let the women sitting in the Parliament decide about these things...whether they wish to ban the Burqa or not ? Anything imposed will have no hold over the masses but it will, in time and especially in a society like Pakistan, face a violent backlash !

 

[vsdoc]

Ok Fassy!

Now be good.

Don't go around ranting like a psycho fundoo, which you're not.

You're just a normal aggro punju kid on the other side of the border.

Cheers!

 

[solbadguy]

The girls look classy and appear as they have values.



The ugly chick in the middle with the tacky jacket looks trashy.

The girls don't "look" anything unless we're talking X-Ray vision here. They could be guys behind the veil for all we know.

About values, a Burqa doesn't make someone virtuous and jeans doesn't make someone loose.

And that ugly chick in the middle probably has a life thats not dedicated to anonymous internet trolling.

 

[JayAtl]

excellent move. religious attire have no place in schools, places of publicly funded secular institutions( have at it in your madrasa , your rules then) - and let alone ones which have been used to conceal suicide vests ( security risk).

 

[SBD-3]

Wearing burqa in class doesnt really make any sense, we had some of those types of girls in our class who would do burqa and ninja hijab in class and tell you honestly it is extremely annoying. People should be dressed modestly and neatly in a class and mix in with the crowd.


If these students insists on wearing burqa they should find a jamaati run college and school not institutes run by Hindu and Christian trusts.

Annoying in sense of what? because you're not able to see them? or do they block your view? I dont understand what is the problem with someone wearing a bura or hijab? You go there to study in whatever dress what makes you comfortable.

 

[CrazyTycoon]

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My personal opinion (and I'm a Muslim) is that Burka and Headcover should be banned in all Islamic and Non Islamic countries except in Arabian peninsula as it is a part of Arab culture. This is by encouraging people to actually read what is written in the Quran rather than following extremist religious scholars blindly.

I dislike the Burqa as much as you do but the state can't ban it simply because one should have the right to wear what they wish whether its a bikini or a ski mask, or in this case a burqa. However, with that being said, it does make sense banning it in educational institutions, airports or the like.

Not sure why headscarf should be banned, they don't pose any problems at all. The headscarf is not Arab culture as traditionally women have worn the headscarf everywhere ranging from Christian Europe, British America, Latin America, Arabia, Africa, Turkey etc. Although the Burqa probably is a part of Arab culture.

Also the headscarf isn't mentioned in the Quran according to many interpretations (i.e. of those who follow the Quran Alone), but I think it's mentioned in several ahadith and the vast majority of Muslims today follow ahadith (not that I believe in them, i'm mostly skeptical).