Malaysian jailed for 10 years for insulting Islam on social media
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Atleast they didn't hang him. Otherwise Isn't chopping head is must in "religion of peace"? For just insulting or blasphemy?
the bible is different in a way on this matter.
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Rom 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Rom 12:20 To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Rom 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord."
Rom 12:20 To the contrary, "if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head."
Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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From the Enlightened One, 2,500 years ago:-
"He abused me, he struck me, he overpowered me, he robbed me." Those who harbor such thoughts do not still their hatred.
"He abused me, he struck me, he overpowered me, he robbed me." Those who do not harbor such thoughts still their hatred.
Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased.
This is a law eternal.
From: Buddhist Scripture - Dhammapada / Yamakavagga: Pairs.
佛教之法句经 / 雙要品第九
对於抱怨之人倍感气愤，(气愤之人心中)未尝没有怨恨；
不对别人的埋怨感到气愤，其埋怨自行消除，这一基本的做人法则可以效法。
不要喜欢责备他人，务必努力自省其身：
假若有人明白此理，永永远远熄灭(怨恨)没有祸患。
（白话佛学经典《中国佛教经典宝藏》1991/《中国佛学经典宝藏》2016）
"He abused me, he struck me, he overpowered me, he robbed me." Those who harbor such thoughts do not still their hatred.
"He abused me, he struck me, he overpowered me, he robbed me." Those who do not harbor such thoughts still their hatred.
Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased.
This is a law eternal.
From: Buddhist Scripture - Dhammapada / Yamakavagga: Pairs.
佛教之法句经 / 雙要品第九
对於抱怨之人倍感气愤，(气愤之人心中)未尝没有怨恨；
不对别人的埋怨感到气愤，其埋怨自行消除，这一基本的做人法则可以效法。
不要喜欢责备他人，务必努力自省其身：
假若有人明白此理，永永远远熄灭(怨恨)没有祸患。
（白话佛学经典《中国佛教经典宝藏》1991/《中国佛学经典宝藏》2016）
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This is an open letter from a Malaysian Muslim appearing on a local newspaper.
Punishment for insulting another religion – the Prophet's way
I write in response to the recent 10-year jail sentence for insulting Islam and the Prophet. I have strong convictions that we must re-look at this law. It is not justly balanced. Ironically, it is also not in accordance to the Quran's and the Prophet's way of doing things.
Muslims must remember how the Prophet behaved at the conquest of Mecca - when he was at the zenith of his power. The people of Mecca whom for more than a decade before the conquest insulted and boycotted him, refused to listen to his mission, tortured him and his followers, persecuted them, drove them to exile and tried very hard to kill him. At that moment of power, did he act with cruelty or mercy? With vengeance or love?
Instead of following the rules of war, where he could avenge and punish them with a death sentence, Muhammad the Prophet whom the Quran declared as 'the one sent as the mercy to all mankind" (Quran 21:107) flowed with kindness and love and he proclaimed,
"THIS DAY, THERE IS NO REPROOF AGAINST YOU AND YOU ARE ALL FREE. THIS DAY I TRAMPLE UNDER MY FEET ALL DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN MAN AND MAN, ALL HATRED BETWEEN MAN AND MAN."
The Prophet's behavior in giving pardon to even his worst enemies, even those who killed his beloved uncle, Hamzah, mangled his body, ripped it open, even chewed a piece of his liver is consistent to another Quranic declaration at Quran 3:159,
"And it was by God's grace that thou [O Prophet] didst DEAL GENTLY WITH THY FOLLOWERS: FOR IF THOU HADST BEEN HARSH AND HARD OF HEART, they would indeed have broken away from thee. PARDON THEM, THEN, AND PRAY THAT THEY BE FORGIVEN. And take counsel with them in all matters of public concern; then, when thou hast decided upon a course of action, place thy trust in God: for, verily, God loves those who place their trust in Him."
It is obvious that the 10-year sentence is in itself is an insult to the Prophet. Is it not ironic?
So where do we go from here? We need to practice Mercy, just like the Prophet did. Let me unpack why Mercy must play a bigger role in these kinds of situation.
Mercy is central to everything that is good. When all else fail, Mercy is our savior. The Prophet knew this. His goal is Peace, not vengeance. As such, our framework to make things good and move forward must emerge from Mercy. Once we have Mercy as our operating system, our worldview, our intentions, our journey, our plans, actions and behavior cannot but come back to moderation in action. Mercy is the core of being a good human. Without mercy, there would be no humanity. With mercy, we create a chain reaction that has the powerful ability and capacity to convert enemies into friends. Those who insult the other, into those who appreciates.
Mercy helps us to forgive and forget. We are a young nation chasing after big dreams. We come from different backgrounds, religions, cultures and ethnicity. It is natural that along the way, we may intentionally or unintentionally hurt each other. If we are not quick to forgive and forget, we will create a tit-for-tat cycle. Mercy will help us choose to be the bigger person and may even turn the other cheek. Mercy will help us be able to see the greater good in forgiveness.
How to punish then? We need to change our goal. The goal is to educate, not to punish. To open one's heart, not to hardened them. I suggest a two-prong approach.
1. Anyone found insulting another religion-culture-tradition must spend time studying and understanding the religion-culture-tradition under a kind & merciful teacher from that faith. This should include time to do social services.
2. The religious and community leader of the offender should also play a role in re-educating him or her based oh his or her religious tradition. In other words, if a Christian mock another faith, the Church leaders must engage the person with their own tradition and core values that corrects his or her wrongful behaviour. Similarly, when a Muslim mock another religion, a Muslim religious leader should bring him back to the behaviour of the Prophet.
As a Muslim Malaysian, I have strong convictions that we need to be the first to practice Mercy and follow this method. After all we are the majority citizen, the country's official religion is Islam and the main leaders of the nation are Malay Muslims. We need to be the standard bearer if we want to claim leadership. We must be the community that make the first move. When a non-Muslim insults Islam and is punished with a ten-year sentence but a Muslim preacher who insults another religion is given protection, we are seen as unjust.
Our religion is looked down upon, and, our Prophet is misunderstood. We Muslims know and proud to profess that "being just is nearest to Taqwa - God-Consciousness (Quran 5:8)" but we must also be seen to practice it consistently. Less we become the very type that is warned by Allah as a Mutaffifin – those who give short measure.
O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity; and never let hatred of any-one lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. BE JUST: THIS IS CLOSEST TO BEING GOD-CONSCIOUS. And remain conscious of God: verily, God is aware of all that you do.
Quran 5:8
WOE UNTO THOSE WHO GIVE SHORT MEASURE, those who, when they are to receive their due from [other] people, demand that it be given in full, but when they have to measure or weigh whatever they owe to others, give less than what is due!
Quran 83:1-3
VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly.
Quran 33:21
Peace.
Anas Zubedy
Kuala Lumpur
Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/...eligion-the-prophets-way/#vuOClys202Vu3zoE.99
Punishment for insulting another religion – the Prophet's way
I write in response to the recent 10-year jail sentence for insulting Islam and the Prophet. I have strong convictions that we must re-look at this law. It is not justly balanced. Ironically, it is also not in accordance to the Quran's and the Prophet's way of doing things.
Muslims must remember how the Prophet behaved at the conquest of Mecca - when he was at the zenith of his power. The people of Mecca whom for more than a decade before the conquest insulted and boycotted him, refused to listen to his mission, tortured him and his followers, persecuted them, drove them to exile and tried very hard to kill him. At that moment of power, did he act with cruelty or mercy? With vengeance or love?
Instead of following the rules of war, where he could avenge and punish them with a death sentence, Muhammad the Prophet whom the Quran declared as 'the one sent as the mercy to all mankind" (Quran 21:107) flowed with kindness and love and he proclaimed,
"THIS DAY, THERE IS NO REPROOF AGAINST YOU AND YOU ARE ALL FREE. THIS DAY I TRAMPLE UNDER MY FEET ALL DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN MAN AND MAN, ALL HATRED BETWEEN MAN AND MAN."
The Prophet's behavior in giving pardon to even his worst enemies, even those who killed his beloved uncle, Hamzah, mangled his body, ripped it open, even chewed a piece of his liver is consistent to another Quranic declaration at Quran 3:159,
"And it was by God's grace that thou [O Prophet] didst DEAL GENTLY WITH THY FOLLOWERS: FOR IF THOU HADST BEEN HARSH AND HARD OF HEART, they would indeed have broken away from thee. PARDON THEM, THEN, AND PRAY THAT THEY BE FORGIVEN. And take counsel with them in all matters of public concern; then, when thou hast decided upon a course of action, place thy trust in God: for, verily, God loves those who place their trust in Him."
It is obvious that the 10-year sentence is in itself is an insult to the Prophet. Is it not ironic?
So where do we go from here? We need to practice Mercy, just like the Prophet did. Let me unpack why Mercy must play a bigger role in these kinds of situation.
Mercy is central to everything that is good. When all else fail, Mercy is our savior. The Prophet knew this. His goal is Peace, not vengeance. As such, our framework to make things good and move forward must emerge from Mercy. Once we have Mercy as our operating system, our worldview, our intentions, our journey, our plans, actions and behavior cannot but come back to moderation in action. Mercy is the core of being a good human. Without mercy, there would be no humanity. With mercy, we create a chain reaction that has the powerful ability and capacity to convert enemies into friends. Those who insult the other, into those who appreciates.
Mercy helps us to forgive and forget. We are a young nation chasing after big dreams. We come from different backgrounds, religions, cultures and ethnicity. It is natural that along the way, we may intentionally or unintentionally hurt each other. If we are not quick to forgive and forget, we will create a tit-for-tat cycle. Mercy will help us choose to be the bigger person and may even turn the other cheek. Mercy will help us be able to see the greater good in forgiveness.
How to punish then? We need to change our goal. The goal is to educate, not to punish. To open one's heart, not to hardened them. I suggest a two-prong approach.
1. Anyone found insulting another religion-culture-tradition must spend time studying and understanding the religion-culture-tradition under a kind & merciful teacher from that faith. This should include time to do social services.
2. The religious and community leader of the offender should also play a role in re-educating him or her based oh his or her religious tradition. In other words, if a Christian mock another faith, the Church leaders must engage the person with their own tradition and core values that corrects his or her wrongful behaviour. Similarly, when a Muslim mock another religion, a Muslim religious leader should bring him back to the behaviour of the Prophet.
As a Muslim Malaysian, I have strong convictions that we need to be the first to practice Mercy and follow this method. After all we are the majority citizen, the country's official religion is Islam and the main leaders of the nation are Malay Muslims. We need to be the standard bearer if we want to claim leadership. We must be the community that make the first move. When a non-Muslim insults Islam and is punished with a ten-year sentence but a Muslim preacher who insults another religion is given protection, we are seen as unjust.
Our religion is looked down upon, and, our Prophet is misunderstood. We Muslims know and proud to profess that "being just is nearest to Taqwa - God-Consciousness (Quran 5:8)" but we must also be seen to practice it consistently. Less we become the very type that is warned by Allah as a Mutaffifin – those who give short measure.
O YOU who have attained to faith! Be ever steadfast in your devotion to God, bearing witness to the truth in all equity; and never let hatred of any-one lead you into the sin of deviating from justice. BE JUST: THIS IS CLOSEST TO BEING GOD-CONSCIOUS. And remain conscious of God: verily, God is aware of all that you do.
Quran 5:8
WOE UNTO THOSE WHO GIVE SHORT MEASURE, those who, when they are to receive their due from [other] people, demand that it be given in full, but when they have to measure or weigh whatever they owe to others, give less than what is due!
Quran 83:1-3
VERILY, in the Apostle of God you have a good example for everyone who looks forward [with hope and awe] to God and the Last Day, and remembers God unceasingly.
Quran 33:21
Peace.
Anas Zubedy
Kuala Lumpur
Read more at https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/...eligion-the-prophets-way/#vuOClys202Vu3zoE.99
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Free speech are for the hypocrites. Its a system made for retards who doesn't want to have proper debate (and then gets their asses handed back to them legitimately) instead they're saying things irresponsibly. If you have nothing better to say, then be quiet.
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Personally i think they should release them and make them spend time with muslims to learn about islam. Sometime its better to break the walls of the heart than skulls
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Educate, don’t punish those who insult Islam and prophet, say groups
FMT Reporters
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March 11, 2019 8:30 PM
PETALING JAYA: Eleven groups today called on the government to reconsider the punishment meted out to the offenders who insulted Islam and Prophet Muhammad on social media, suggesting rehabilitative initiatives instead.
“The quantum of the sentence is disproportionate when compared to the fact that rapists and perpetrators of domestic violence often receive much lighter sentences, with some hardly receiving any prison time at all,” said the groups in a statement today.
The statement said disproportionate and unjust prison sentences are likely to fester resentment and do little in changing a person’s behaviour.
An example in Lebanon was given in the statement, in which three teenagers were sentenced to learn verses from the Quran about Jesus after they were found guilty of insulting Christianity.
The NGOs said the government should instead embark on initiatives that advocate and promote greater racial integration, religious appreciation and multicultural harmony.
The 11 groups include Sisters in Islam, Centre for Independent Journalism, Knowledge and Rights with Young People Through Safer Spaces, Aliran, Suara Rakyat Malaysia, Persatuan Sahabat Wanita Selangor, Malaysia Muda, Pergerakan Tenaga Akademik Malaysia, Agora Society, Teoh Beng Hock Trust for Democracy and Pusat Komas.
Last week, a Sarawakian Facebook user was jailed 10 years and 10 months by the Kuching Sessions Court after he pleaded guilty to 10 charges of insulting Islam and the prophet.
Today, another Facebook user was put behind bars for seven months and fined RM10,000 by the Kuala Lumpur Sessions Court for the same crime.
FMT Reporters
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March 11, 2019 8:30 PM
PETALING JAYA: Eleven groups today called on the government to reconsider the punishment meted out to the offenders who insulted Islam and Prophet Muhammad on social media, suggesting rehabilitative initiatives instead.
“The quantum of the sentence is disproportionate when compared to the fact that rapists and perpetrators of domestic violence often receive much lighter sentences, with some hardly receiving any prison time at all,” said the groups in a statement today.
The statement said disproportionate and unjust prison sentences are likely to fester resentment and do little in changing a person’s behaviour.
An example in Lebanon was given in the statement, in which three teenagers were sentenced to learn verses from the Quran about Jesus after they were found guilty of insulting Christianity.
The NGOs said the government should instead embark on initiatives that advocate and promote greater racial integration, religious appreciation and multicultural harmony.
The 11 groups include Sisters in Islam, Centre for Independent Journalism, Knowledge and Rights with Young People Through Safer Spaces, Aliran, Suara Rakyat Malaysia, Persatuan Sahabat Wanita Selangor, Malaysia Muda, Pergerakan Tenaga Akademik Malaysia, Agora Society, Teoh Beng Hock Trust for Democracy and Pusat Komas.
Last week, a Sarawakian Facebook user was jailed 10 years and 10 months by the Kuching Sessions Court after he pleaded guilty to 10 charges of insulting Islam and the prophet.
Today, another Facebook user was put behind bars for seven months and fined RM10,000 by the Kuala Lumpur Sessions Court for the same crime.
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Looks like our police is getting tough. Every Malaysians should learn to understand each other's religion and culture. It is a shame after more than 60 years after independence, self-imposed segregation and ignorance of each other's faith and culture is still very prominent.
Man arrested for insulting Hinduism
Published 1 hour ago on 12 March 2019
By Azril Annuar
KUALA LUMPUR, March 12 ― The police arrested a man yesterday for posting an insulting comment on the Hindu religion on a social media platform.
Inspector General of Police (IGP) Tan Sri Mohamad Fuzi Harun said the 52-year-old is being investigated under Section 298A of the Penal Code and Section 223 of the Communications and Multimedia Act.
“The public is reminded not to abuse social media or any form of communication by uploading or sharing provocative statements capable of upsetting the sensitivity of any race and religion in this country,” Mohamad Fuzi in a statement.
Police will seek to remand the man today.
Section 298A of the Penal Code relates to the offence of causing religious unrest and is punishable by between two and five years’ imprisonment.
Last week, four people were charged over slurs against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.
One of the four was sentenced 10 years’ jail after pleading guilty to 10 such offences.
Man arrested for insulting Hinduism
Published 1 hour ago on 12 March 2019
By Azril Annuar
KUALA LUMPUR, March 12 ― The police arrested a man yesterday for posting an insulting comment on the Hindu religion on a social media platform.
Inspector General of Police (IGP) Tan Sri Mohamad Fuzi Harun said the 52-year-old is being investigated under Section 298A of the Penal Code and Section 223 of the Communications and Multimedia Act.
“The public is reminded not to abuse social media or any form of communication by uploading or sharing provocative statements capable of upsetting the sensitivity of any race and religion in this country,” Mohamad Fuzi in a statement.
Police will seek to remand the man today.
Section 298A of the Penal Code relates to the offence of causing religious unrest and is punishable by between two and five years’ imprisonment.
Last week, four people were charged over slurs against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.
One of the four was sentenced 10 years’ jail after pleading guilty to 10 such offences.
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