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Yes, I agree Indonesia is good. But 18% support apostasy capital punishment is still a lot. Bosnia who got a lot of shit still care less about someone converting to Christian.

Malaysia is crackpot.

It is a culture, not based on our religion. In our religion it is free to come or to leave our religion. I have read Quran until finish two times and I see freedom in choosing fate. No hadith saying thing like that either, even during our prophet time rule, there is someone who leave Islam and that person is a free man.
 
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Yes, I agree Indonesia is good. But 18% support apostasy capital punishment is still a lot. Bosnia who got a lot of shit still care less about someone converting to Christian.

Malaysia is crackpot.

dude, 18% is Tad Small for the 4th Largest Country in the world like Indonesia. if any case happened regarding murder of people leaving their Islamic belief, i'm so sure our govt will crack those extrimist down, Real Hard.

if them extrimist is going to join whatever Radical Group, they'll be purged like in this video (it's in indonesian dub, though)

we are not hesitated to move out our Arsenal Weapon against terrorism.

 
yeah, you definitely don't know jack shit about indonesia.

yes i know about terrorism, yes i know about the bombings. as if it's not obvious, i can also point out the bombing incidents as well.

Terorisme di Indonesia - Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, ensiklopedia bebas

so? what is terrorism has anything to do about Arab or Islam in general? you don't know that the Islamic Radical Movement is EVERYWHERE in the WORLD? heck, do you even know what ISIS is?

are you generalizing that Islam is Terrorism? what about the Christians doing in Slaughtering Muslims back in the Crusade Ages?

or what about the Buddhist Slaughter of Muslims in Burma? you thought only your Religion is the Religion of Peace? LOL how laughable

i can put all crimes Responsible by EACH religions in the world. but it'll be too much for you to handle.

even worse, you don't know that Terrorism in Indonesia has started WAY BACK in 1942? sigh.. seriously..

Negara Islam Indonesia - Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, ensiklopedia bebas

you don't learn history in school do you? Aceh is NEVER part of Indonesia to begin with. they're not ex-dutch colonial area, but Portuguese colonial. THEY WANT the Syariah System and they've been doing it since 1953.

Aceh - Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, ensiklopedia bebas

Aceh yang semula bergabung dengan Indonesia dengan jaminan Soekarno akan menerapkan syariat Islam, merasa kecewa karena syariat Islam tidak dijadikan sebagai landasan negara. Sehingga pada tanggal 13 Muharram 1372 H/21 September1953 M, Teungku Muhammad Daud Beureu'eh atas nama rakyat Aceh mengumumkan bergabung dengan Negara Islam Indonesia yang didirikan oleh Kartosoewirjo.[20]

Aceh owns their Land, as we Indonesia own OURS. they want Syariah, we give them. it's their choice so you have no shit to say to them, ever. simple, no?

also i Demand the proof of Suicide Bombing, not Terrorist Bombing. just one example like what happened in the church in 2003 isn't enough to justify that we did series of Suicide Bombings like you claim we did.

the mod delete my post,

here is the proof you want

Rangkaian aksi bom bunuh diri di Indonesia - BBC Indonesia
 
Helped to develop your nation in the far past; assist you guys to fight against colonial forces, get independence; helped to boom the countries economy rise these years; colorful your nation's culture; help to enhance diplomatic relations with China, east Asia nations, lots of things you guys need to thanksgiving. Most important, the govt and people has to apologize for the massacre in 1960's and 1998.

While it's true Indonesian chinese have their parts in Indonesia struggle but they're not the only ones. Arabs, Indians/Pakistan, Dutch, even Japanese also have their contributions. But, overall, the natives are the biggest contributor and sacrifice the most for both the independence and development of the nation.

1965 killings is a purge of communism and their supporters NOT ethnic chinese cleansing. Most death are natives esp. Japavanese. It's a war against communism.

Fact is many chinese Indonesians that day actively support and were on the side of PKI (Communist Party of Indonesia). There was a largest Chinese Indonesia organization called BAPERKI which affiliate itself with PKI. Many members of BAPERKI also members of PKI. Through BAPERKI, PKI strengthen its relation with Communist China. Zhou Enlai promised hundreds thousands of riffles for PKI. Mao Zedong urge Chinese in Indonesia to fight for communism. And in a secret document it is revealed that it was Mao who advised and urged Aidit (PKI chairman) to kill the generals. (Read. Prof. Victor M. Fic - Anatomy of the Jakarta Coup: October 1, 1965: The Collusion with China).

FYI, PKI is not a peaceful organization, during their existence they had revolt twice and had massacre everyone obstructing their path.

Next, 1998.

It's true there are Indonesian chinese became victim in Jakarta riot 1998 but the number has been bloated up without solid evidence to back it up. As usual, detractors like to magnify on chinese death while ignoring other victims - natives with far greater lost who died for same reason.

Jakarta 1998 (which lasted for three days to a week) is nothing compare to the ethnic cleansing in the Maluku which lasted for years. There, Chinese christian funded christian natives to butchered muslims.

And the govt has officially apologize for the tragedy. Within weeks, Suharto's successor, B.J. Habibie issued a decree which basically eradicate any barrier between natives and non-native Indonesian citizens.

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Indonesian people respect China as Pew Research revealed, no need to be poisoned by Anti Native Indonesian sentiment in PDF or in China forum

This, even Indonesian makes movie in China

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While it's true Indonesian chinese have their parts in Indonesia struggle but they're not the only ones. Arabs, Indians/Pakistan, Dutch, even Japanese also have their contributions. But, overall, the natives are the biggest contributor and sacrifice the most for both the independence and development of the nation.

1965 killings is a purge of communism and their supporters NOT ethnic chinese cleansing. Most death are natives esp. Japavanese. It's a war against communism.

Fact is many chinese Indonesians that day actively support and were on the side of PKI (Communist Party of Indonesia). There was a largest Chinese Indonesia organization called BAPERKI which affiliate itself with PKI. Many members of BAPERKI also members of PKI. Through BAPERKI, PKI strengthen its relation with Communist China. Zhou Enlai promised hundreds thousands of riffles for PKI. Mao Zedong urge Chinese in Indonesia to fight for communism. And in a secret document it is revealed that it was Mao who advised and urged Aidit (PKI chairman) to kill the generals. (Read. Prof. Victor M. Fic - Anatomy of the Jakarta Coup: October 1, 1965: The Collusion with China).

FYI, PKI is not a peaceful organization, during their existence they had revolt twice and had massacre everyone obstructing their path.

Next, 1998.

It's true there are Indonesian chinese became victim in Jakarta riot 1998 but the number has been bloated up without solid evidence to back it up. As usual, detractors like to magnify on chinese death while ignoring other victims - natives with far greater lost who died for same reason.

Jakarta 1998 (which lasted for three days to a week) is nothing compare to the ethnic cleansing in the Maluku which lasted for years. There, Chinese christian funded christian natives to butchered muslims.

And the govt has officially apologize for the tragedy. Within weeks, Suharto's successor, B.J. Habibie issued a decree which basically eradicate any barrier between natives and non-native Indonesian citizens.

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Fact is many chinese Indonesians that day actively support and were on the side of PKI (Communist Party of Indonesia). There was a largest Chinese Indonesia organization called BAPERKI which affiliate itself with PKI. Many members of BAPERKI also members of PKI. Through BAPERKI, PKI strengthen its relation with Communist China. Zhou Enlai promised hundreds thousands of riffles for PKI. Mao Zedong urge Chinese in Indonesia to fight for communism. And in a secret document it is revealed that it was Mao who advised and urged Aidit (PKI chairman) to kill the generals. (Read. Prof. Victor M. Fic - Anatomy of the Jakarta Coup: October 1, 1965: The Collusion with China).

You know, these have part of correct information, most are excues. You can pour any dirty water to China and Chinese whatever you want in 1960's as like they are doing to North Korea nowadays.
You and I both know what the real military ability of China in 1965, China even didn't have enough navy reach Indonesia, how to provide weapons supporting those communist? It's Indonesian first-govt chose to pro-communism, so China and Indonesia established diplomatic relationship in 1950's.

Why Indonesia was pro-communism in the first place?
Indonesia and Holland had territory disputes on West Papua after the independence, Indoenesia's miltary was obviously weaker than Holland's backed by UK. In this case, Indonesia seeked actual helps from communism USSR, as well as diplomatic support from communism China.

Tell you what Russia supported to Indonesia communist back govt in 1962, following the list:
68 BIS type Cruiser...1
30-БК type Destroyer...8
Riga class Frigate...8
122-бис type warship....14
613 W type Subs....12
other weapons
China govt in diplomatic level convinced Chinese in Indonesia pro-Indonesian govt, so most Chinese there supported the Sukarno govt. REMEMBER IT: Sukarno govt was central and legal Indonesian govt at that time, not a rebel military group.

After getting these weapons, in 1963, America was afraid of Indonesia competely joining into communism camp, so forced Dutch to give up New Guinea, forced New Guinea local people give up independence. Finally, Indonesia suceeded in taking Papua New Guinea.

"1965 killings is a purge of communism and their supporters NOT ethnic chinese cleansing. Most death are natives esp. Japavanese. It's a war against communism."
It's funny and proud of killing communists, right? Communism was not all a purge, in certain period, they helped their own nation's interests. Do you guys ever feel guilty? When Indonesia deadly need communists' supports, enlarged communist group; when don't need communism support, masscared communists. When Sukarno govt downfell by army revolution, did the new govt ever give any chance of re-choice to Chinese there? The hell, having this pro-communism excues, every time, Indonesia had internal difficulties, no matter what, even in 1974 protested Japanese, finally would targe at killing Chinese. 1965-67, 1974, 1978, 1980, year after year, 1998. Tell me how fuvking hell you guys hate them. @Indos @prima99
 
While it's true Indonesian chinese have their parts in Indonesia struggle but they're not the only ones. Arabs, Indians/Pakistan, Dutch, even Japanese also have their contributions. But, overall, the natives are the biggest contributor and sacrifice the most for both the independence and development of the nation.

1965 killings is a purge of communism and their supporters NOT ethnic chinese cleansing. Most death are natives esp. Japavanese. It's a war against communism.

Fact is many chinese Indonesians that day actively support and were on the side of PKI (Communist Party of Indonesia). There was a largest Chinese Indonesia organization called BAPERKI which affiliate itself with PKI. Many members of BAPERKI also members of PKI. Through BAPERKI, PKI strengthen its relation with Communist China. Zhou Enlai promised hundreds thousands of riffles for PKI. Mao Zedong urge Chinese in Indonesia to fight for communism. And in a secret document it is revealed that it was Mao who advised and urged Aidit (PKI chairman) to kill the generals. (Read. Prof. Victor M. Fic - Anatomy of the Jakarta Coup: October 1, 1965: The Collusion with China).

FYI, PKI is not a peaceful organization, during their existence they had revolt twice and had massacre everyone obstructing their path.

Next, 1998.

It's true there are Indonesian chinese became victim in Jakarta riot 1998 but the number has been bloated up without solid evidence to back it up. As usual, detractors like to magnify on chinese death while ignoring other victims - natives with far greater lost who died for same reason.

Jakarta 1998 (which lasted for three days to a week) is nothing compare to the ethnic cleansing in the Maluku which lasted for years. There, Chinese christian funded christian natives to butchered muslims.

And the govt has officially apologize for the tragedy. Within weeks, Suharto's successor, B.J. Habibie issued a decree which basically eradicate any barrier between natives and non-native Indonesian citizens.

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Chinese Christian funded native Christian to butchered Muslims?
Where did you get this information?
Don't tell me you got the information from madrasah school.. Or pesantren
 
Indonesian people respect China as Pew Research revealed, no need to be poisoned by Anti Native Indonesian sentiment in PDF or in China forum

This, even Indonesian makes movie in China

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We really don't care Indonesian respect China or not, respect, we thanks, don't respect, not a big deal.
What all we talking about is Chinese in Indonesia who suffered a half-century unfair treatment and torture in heart, dignity. Do you get it? We have talked it thousands of times. Your govt and poeple please sincerely apologize to them, and their lost families. Period.
 
You know, these have part of correct information, most are excues. You can pour any dirty water to China and Chinese whatever you want in 1960's as like they are doing to North Korea nowadays.
You and I both know what the real military ability of China in 1965, China even didn't have enough navy reach Indonesia, how to provide weapons supporting those communist? It's Indonesian first-govt chose to pro-communism, so China and Indonesia established diplomatic relationship in 1950's.

Please read again. I said Zhou Enlai offered weapons (riffles) to PKI, the communist party, the offer was not for Indonesia the country nor it was for Sukarno.

PKI wanted to create a Fifth Arm Force (outside of Police, Army, Navy, and Air Force) by arming it's workers and farmers organization. For this plan, Zhou Enlai promised arms donation to PKI. Of course China was not rich at the time, therefore their offer is merely rifles, not advance weapons like ship or plane like the Soviet Russia did.

Sukarno was his in his final years, he was gravely ill in 1965. The PKI need to strengthen themselves to take over the country after Sukarno's death, hence the Fifth Force plan.
The plan got strongest resistance from the army which lead to the assassination of the army generals in 30 Sept. coup.

Why Indonesia was pro-communism in the first place?
Indonesia and Holland had territory disputes on West Papua after the independence, Indoenesia's miltary was obviously weaker than Holland's backed by UK. In this case, Indonesia seeked actual helps from communism USSR, as well as diplomatic support from communism China.

Tell you what Russia supported to Indonesia communist back govt in 1962, following the list:
68 BIS type Cruiser...1
30-БК type Destroyer...8
Riga class Frigate...8
122-бис type warship....14
613 W type Subs....12
other weapons
China govt in diplomatic level convinced Chinese in Indonesia pro-Indonesian govt, so most Chinese there supported the Sukarno govt. REMEMBER IT: Sukarno govt was central and legal Indonesian govt at that time, not a rebel military group.

After getting these weapons, in 1963, America was afraid of Indonesia competely joining into communism camp, so forced Dutch to give up New Guinea, forced New Guinea local people give up independence. Finally, Indonesia succeeded in taking Papua New Guinea.

Sukarno himself was not a communist nor was his government. He was just using communist as ally to get what he wants that's all.

And don't think we got that weapons from Soviet for free, we paid them. It's a I scratch your back, you scratch mine type of relationship for both Indonesia and Soviet. Indonesia want New Guinea, Soviet Russia wanted a strong ally in the south to curb western influence. After Sukarno was dethroned, all that soviet weapons turned into junks as Soviet embargoed us.

We really don't care Indonesian respect China or not, respect, we thanks, don't respect, not a big deal.
What all we talking about is Chinese in Indonesia who suffered a half-century unfair treatment and torture in heart, dignity. Do you get it? We have talked it thousands of times. Your govt and poeple please sincerely apologize to them, and their lost families. Period.

Unfair treatment?.. everyone suffered unfair treatment during Suharto rule not just chinese. Suharto only favored those who close to and support him. Among his inner circle were chinese Indonesian. His closest friend is Liem Sioe Liong whose family remain among the wealthiest in Indonesia today.

After Suharto, our govt. has taken many steps to mend and improve things over the years. We are sorry for ALL the victims not just to chinese indonesia. However we don't owe any apology to you, China nor the world as the fallen victim are Indonesia nationals.

It's like a bus of 100 passengers, 98 non-chinese and 2 chinese which got into accident, all dead in the same accident, but you focus only on two chinese death, demand special treatment and apology, like all others are nothing. That's unfair.

Chinese Christian funded native Christian to butchered Muslims?
Where did you get this information?
Don't tell me you got the information from madrasah school.. Or pesantren

Oh hi false flagger.. Unlike you, I was there in Maluku during much of the peak of religious conflict. Chinese christian there donate their money for for buying weapons, etc for christian militia, help smuggle them as well. Of course in the media their ethnicity is very rarely disclosed but everybody know the wealthy christians in Maluku were Chinese.

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Please read again. I said Zhou Enlai offered weapons (riffles) to PKI, the communist party, the offer was not for Indonesia the country nor it was for Sukarno.

PKI wanted to create a Fifth Arm Force (outside of Police, Army, Navy, and Air Force) by arming it's workers and farmers organization. For this plan, Zhou Enlai promised arms donation to PKI. Of course China was not rich at the time, therefore their offer is merely rifles, not advance weapons like ship or plane like the Soviet Russia did.

Sukarno was his in his final years, he was gravely ill in 1965. The PKI need to strengthen themselves to take over the country after Sukarno's death, hence the Fifth Force plan.
The plan got strongest resistance from the army which lead to the assassination of the army generals in 30 Sept. coup.



Sukarno himself was not a communist nor was his government. He was just using communist as ally to get what he wants that's all.

And don't think we got that weapons from Soviet for free, we paid them. It's a I scratch your back, you scratch mine type of relationship for both Indonesia and Soviet. Indonesia want New Guinea, Soviet Russia wanted a strong ally in the south to curb western influence. After Sukarno was dethroned, all that soviet weapons turned into junks as Soviet embargoed us.



Unfair treatment?.. everyone suffered unfair treatment during Suharto rule not just chinese. Suharto only favored those who close to and support him. Among his inner circle were chinese Indonesian. His closest friend is Liem Sioe Liong whose family remain among the wealthiest in Indonesia today.

After Suharto, our govt. has taken many steps to mend and improve things over the years. We are sorry for ALL the victims not just to chinese indonesia. However we don't owe any apology to you, China nor the world as the fallen victim are Indonesia nationals.

It's like a bus of 100 passengers, 98 non-chinese and 2 chinese which got into accident, all dead in the same accident, but you focus only on two chinese death, demand special treatment and apology, like all others are nothing. That's unfair.



Oh hi false flagger.. Unlike you, I was there in Maluku during much of the peak of religious conflict. Chinese christian there donate their money for for buying weapons, etc for christian militia, help smuggle them as well. Of course in the media their ethnicity is very rarely disclosed but everybody know the wealthy christians in Maluku were Chinese.

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Is the Christian arming themselves as a reaction to Islamofascism?

We know Al Qaeda Franchise is active in all Islamoland. And even in places like Pakistan and Egypt where there are suppose to be law and order, there are Sharia rape and Sharia murder, or Muslim evangelism by rape, conducted by the so call "extremist", who were actually the average Joe and neighbors.

CNN.com - Al Qaeda 'behind Ambon and other conflicts' - May 9, 2002

The Islamo wanted to kill many people in Singapore as well, even though Singaporean Chinese treat Muslim better than Indonesia. So we cage them without trial, as a reaction against these scumm. You think we are bad?
 
Is the Christian arming themselves as a reaction to Islamofascism?

We know Al Qaeda Franchise is active in all Islamoland. And even in places like Pakistan and Egypt where there are suppose to be law and order, there are Sharia rape and Sharia murder, or Muslim evangelism by rape, conducted by the so call "extremist", who were actually the average Joe and neighbors.

CNN.com - Al Qaeda 'behind Ambon and other conflicts' - May 9, 2002

The Islamo wanted to kill many people in Singapore as well, even though Singaporean Chinese treat Muslim better than Indonesia. So we cage them without trial, as a reaction against these scumm. You think we are bad?

Al-Qaeda people comes long after the conflict, but it was FPI (Front Pembela Islam) that help Muslim there during the civil war, FPI is not Al-Qaeda and their main base is in Jakarta. If not being helped, Muslim will be wipe out at Ambon. The first big strike was documented on live TV, many Muslim were butchered by Christian Ambonese which is part of RMS (Republik Maluku Selatan) troops when they strike a mosque which has so many women and kids there, RMS is our rebel since old time. RMS had a relation with CIA in the old time, and in Soekarno time even we shot USA plane at that area and captured USA pilot who helped RMS rebellion.

They (RMS) wants to make chaos in order to have South Maluku be treated similar like East Timor and then they want to leave the nation using Western power. It was not a coincidence that the leader of RMS under USA protection until now. At that time USA was under George Bush jr, and he parked his destroyer near Maluku island during the conflict. In the old time, RMS was side by side with Dutch to fight Indonesian troops in our independence war.

CNN comes after the conflict become balance as FPI people comes to Maluku.
 
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Al-Qaeda people comes long after the conflict, but it was FPI (Front Pembela Islam) that help Muslim there during the civil war, FPI is not Al-Qaeda and their main base is in Jakarta. If not being helped, Muslim will be wipe out at Ambon. The first big strike was documented on live TV, many Muslim were butchered by Christian Ambonese which is part of RMS (Republik Maluku Selatan) troops to strike a mosque which has so many women and kids there, RMS is our rebel since old time.

They (RMS) wants to make chaos in order to be treated similar like East Timor and then they want to leave the nation using Western power. It was not a coincidence that the leader of RMS under USA protection until now. At that time USA was under George Bush, and he parked his destroyer near Maluku island during the conflict. In the old time, RMS was side by side with Dutch to fight Indonesian troops in our independence war.

CNN comes after the conflict become balance as FPI people comes to Maluku.

I thought books are saying Islamo make themselve sensitive and take every opportunity to burn church. People reacted to Islamo.

And Islamo burn far more church and others burning their mosque.

Nevertheless, nothing is greater evidence that Islamo once more are biggest world victim.

Anomie and Violence: Non-truth and Reconciliation in Indonesian Peacebuilding - John Braithwaite, Valerie Braithwaite, Michael Cookson, Leah Dunn - Google Books

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Please read again. I said Zhou Enlai offered weapons (riffles) to PKI, the communist party, the offer was not for Indonesia the country nor it was for Sukarno.

PKI wanted to create a Fifth Arm Force (outside of Police, Army, Navy, and Air Force) by arming it's workers and farmers organization. For this plan, Zhou Enlai promised arms donation to PKI. Of course China was not rich at the time, therefore their offer is merely rifles, not advance weapons like ship or plane like the Soviet Russia did.

Sukarno was his in his final years, he was gravely ill in 1965. The PKI need to strengthen themselves to take over the country after Sukarno's death, hence the Fifth Force plan.
The plan got strongest resistance from the army which lead to the assassination of the army generals in 30 Sept. coup.



Sukarno himself was not a communist nor was his government. He was just using communist as ally to get what he wants that's all.

And don't think we got that weapons from Soviet for free, we paid them. It's a I scratch your back, you scratch mine type of relationship for both Indonesia and Soviet. Indonesia want New Guinea, Soviet Russia wanted a strong ally in the south to curb western influence. After Sukarno was dethroned, all that soviet weapons turned into junks as Soviet embargoed us.



Unfair treatment?.. everyone suffered unfair treatment during Suharto rule not just chinese. Suharto only favored those who close to and support him. Among his inner circle were chinese Indonesian. His closest friend is Liem Sioe Liong whose family remain among the wealthiest in Indonesia today.

After Suharto, our govt. has taken many steps to mend and improve things over the years. We are sorry for ALL the victims not just to chinese indonesia. However we don't owe any apology to you, China nor the world as the fallen victim are Indonesia nationals.

It's like a bus of 100 passengers, 98 non-chinese and 2 chinese which got into accident, all dead in the same accident, but you focus only on two chinese death, demand special treatment and apology, like all others are nothing. That's unfair.



Oh hi false flagger.. Unlike you, I was there in Maluku during much of the peak of religious conflict. Chinese christian there donate their money for for buying weapons, etc for christian militia, help smuggle them as well. Of course in the media their ethnicity is very rarely disclosed but everybody know the wealthy christians in Maluku were Chinese.

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"Please read again. I said Zhou Enlai offered weapons (riffles) to PKI, the communist party, the offer was not for Indonesia the country nor it was for Sukarno.
PKI wanted to create a Fifth Arm Force (outside of Police, Army, Navy, and Air Force) by arming it's workers and farmers organization. For this plan, Zhou Enlai promised arms donation to PKI. Of course China was not rich at the time, therefore their offer is merely rifles, not advance weapons like ship or plane like the Soviet Russia did.
Sukarno was his in his final years, he was gravely ill in 1965. The PKI need to strengthen themselves to take over the country after Sukarno's death, hence the Fifth Force plan.
The plan got strongest resistance from the army which lead to the assassination of the army generals in 30 Sept. coup."

Anyway, it's indoensian govt in the first place need communism supports. what happend after the army revolution, they could pour any dirty water, as much as they wanted, justiy for masscre.

"Sukarno himself was not a communist nor was his government. He was just using communist as ally to get what he wants that's all.
And don't think we got that weapons from Soviet for free, we paid them. It's a I scratch your back, you scratch mine type of relationship for both Indonesia and Soviet. Indonesia want New Guinea, Soviet Russia wanted a strong ally in the south to curb western influence. After Sukarno was dethroned, all that soviet weapons turned into junks as Soviet embargoed us."
Before 1963, when Indonesia had distues with Holland, Indonesia need communism USSR more than USSR need Indonesia.


" After Suharto, our govt. has taken many steps to mend and improve things over the years."
Could you please introduce more details about the steps? I want to know it. And how is the feedback of those steps.

"However we don't owe any apology to you, China nor the world as the fallen victim are Indonesia nationals."
some of you guys indonesian really have stubborn brain. The similar content I read again and again every time I talk with indonesian. apologize to the Chinese lived in Indonesia killed, tortured unfairly if your nation still want to unify them, want stable politics,,,,,not to China or to me, Heaven, you consider too much thing.

"It's like a bus of 100 passengers, 98 non-chinese and 2 chinese which got into accident, all dead in the same accident, but you focus only on two chinese death, demand special treatment and apology, like all others are nothing. That's unfair."
They are minority in your nation. They are like small boats in angry ocean. In the first place, it's anti-communism. But when communism thing was over, slowly it turned into racism problem, religional problem, those all the bad result continue one by one. I don't need to worry about your situation, you are one of majority ethnic or muslim.
 
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I thought books are saying Islamo make themselve sensitive and take every opportunity to burn church. People reacted to Islamo.

And Islamo burn far more church and others burning their mosque.

Nevertheless, nothing is greater evidence that Islamo once more are biggest world victim.

Anomie and Violence: Non-truth and Reconciliation in Indonesian Peacebuilding - John Braithwaite, Valerie Braithwaite, Michael Cookson, Leah Dunn - Google Books

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Look the context, the year of the conflict. It was a time when Indonesia has been considered by so many people to be finished. East Timor, Aceh, and RMS in Ambon. The rebel tried to use the situation. If some areas want to leave from Indonesia, that was the best momentum, and yes East Timor leaves Indonesia during that fragile moment.

Think cleverly, who is more benefiting in a chaos moment. Muslim or the rebel...?

Making a chaos is a part of political game to attack current ruler legitimacy, actually 1998 event in Jakarta has also been seen as a planned chaos to hurt Soeharto legitimacy and push him from the throne. We suspect a powerful and ambitious general for that, but maybe another player is the real contributor. RMS in Maluku (Ambon) want to do the same in their area in order to bring UN into their game.
 
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