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Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap

This article pick some ignorance Chinese netizen attempt to deride Jiaolong capability, but no amount of CHEAP TALK is going to deny the PROVEN FACT that Jiaolong is world's best in its class.

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Jiaolong 'up to MH370 salvage task' - World - Chinadaily.com.cn
Jiaolong 'up to MH370 salvage task'
By WANG QIAN (chinadaily.com.cn) Updated: 2014-04-08 17:19

China's deep-sea manned submersible Jiaolong is capable of salvaging the black box flight recorders from the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, according to an official.

Liu Feng, director of the National Deep Sea Center, a government-funded organization in charge of the submersible's management and maintenance, said Jiaolong is ready for the salvage operation.

Chinese patrol ship Haixun 01 picked up electronic pulse signals in the Indian Ocean on Friday and Saturday.

Liu said that after the black boxes from flight MH370 are located Jiaolong can play an important role in salvage work and in evaluating deep-sea conditions.

Xiangyanghong 09, the mother ship of Jiaolong, will start a 40-day scheduled mission to the northwest Pacific in May or June before going to the southwestern Indian Ocean in November.

The reason that Jiaolong is not offered for the current operation is simple, Jiaolong is a manned deep sea submersible, it is not the type of equipment suitable for large area seabed search.

It will be good for salvage when the black box is found.

Now, where is the black box?

Has it been found yet?
 
Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap

Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap - latimes.com


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The Jiaolong, China's first manned deep-sea submersible, is a source of pride for the nation. But its mother ship has been unreliable, and Chinese officials have not offered the vessel for use in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. (ChinaFotoPress / June 19, 2012)


BEIJING — In June 2012, China reveled in a major scientific achievement: The nation's first manned deep-sea submersible, the Jiaolong, had dived more than 4.3 miles into the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean. The feat, state-run media said, put China among the elite ranks of such deep-sea-faring countries as the U.S., France and Japan.

Equipped with sonar equipment and two mechanical arms that can lift as much as 220 pounds, the submersible is just the kind of vehicle that might prove useful in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, which investigators now believe is resting 2.8 miles beneath the surface of the Indian Ocean. Of the jet's 239 passengers and crew members, 153 were Chinese.

But while China has launched itself into the search effort with gusto — it focused its satellites to search for debris, scrambled ships and dispatched airplanes — the effort has thrown an awkward light on the gap between the country's high-tech aspirations and its limitations.

China hasn't offered the Jiaolong and the Australia-based search team hasn't asked, leaving the lead role to a U.S.-built robot sub, the Bluefin-21.

"We are frustrated that we have this great vehicle and it's not being deployed on this important mission," said Cui Weicheng, who helped design the Jiaolong and was aboard the vessel on several missions.

Then again, Cui acknowledged, Chinese officials might be worried about getting the submersible to the search area. Its mother ship, the Facing the Red Sun No. 9, built in 1978, has had engine problems and is unreliable.

"On its last mission, from June to September 2013, the mother ship broke down many times," Cui said. "It needed many repairs.... I think that's why the Chinese government may be hesitating to send it."


Forty days into the quest to locate the Boeing 777, it's been American, Australian and British equipment and vessels that have turned up what investigators have called the most promising leads. Meanwhile, officials in other countries have chafed about China getting out over its skis, rushing to release technical findings that proved to be false leads.

"We cannot deny that the United States has much more advanced technology in this regard," said Xu Guangyu, a retired military officer who is a consultant with the Beijing-based China Arms Control and Disarmament Assn. "The U.S. satellite system is much better, as is their ability to analyze very complicated data. These are things that we have to learn from the United States."

Last week, the state-run China Daily newspaper ran a rather frank front-page article headlined "Tech Gap Exposed in Search Mission; Experts Say More Development Needed in Nation's Advanced Maritime Equipment."

A few days earlier, China had grabbed headlines — and caught Australian search coordinators off guard — when state-run CCTV announced that China's Haixun 01 search vessel might have picked up acoustic transmissions from the jet's data recorders. It was the first report of any such "pings."

But questions quickly arose when photos showed searchers using a commercially available $16,000 hand-held device, made in the United States, dangled over the side of the boat. An Australian navy ship, meanwhile, towed a deep-water pinger locater lent by the U.S. military.

Little more was said about the purported pings until this week, when Angus Houston, the retired Australian air chief marshal who has been coordinating the search efforts from Perth, said the Chinese data had been "analyzed and discounted as a credible transmission." He said investigators were relying on four other detections made by the American pinger locater.

Though Houston tried to minimize the awkwardness of the Chinese disclosure, other governments have bluntly admonished Beijing.

Malaysia's acting transportation minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, rebuked it for wasting time by posting satellite imagery purporting to show debris over the South China Sea, along the aircraft's intended flight path. The photos, he said, had been released by "mistake."

China ought to be familiar with such "nontraditional security" missions. In the last decade, its military has practiced similar operations during exercises with foreign militaries and governments, said Dennis Blasko, a former U.S. Army attache to China and author of "The Chinese Army Today."

"This gives them a chance to implement that type of training in a real-world situation," Blasko said.

But the search has exposed a lack of trust not only in China's information, but in its intentions.

India, for instance, refused a request last month for China to send four warships to join the search around the Andaman Islands.

"China has been sniffing around Indian waters for a long time. Delhi was naturally suspicious of that request," said C. Raja Mohan, an Indian academic who has written widely about Sino-Indian maritime rivalry.

In China, where the search has received wall-to-wall media attention, the public is eager to see the country make a breakthrough contribution. Asked about it Monday, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said that China was "going full steam ahead with the search operation."

As speculation ran high last week that China might dispatch the Jiaolong, named for a fabled sea dragon, authorities posted a statement on the submersible's long-dormant Sina Weibo microblog account, apologizing for not keeping the account up to date. It explained that the team lacked the staffing to share fresh information.

Internet users met the message with disappointment and derision.

"To be honest, we don't really care if you actually write posts on Weibo," one commenter said. "We care about whether you can appear in the ocean southwest of Australia."

Said another, "We need a dragon that can dive into the ocean, not a worm that can only bluff."



Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap - latimes.com

And so it boils down to merely this: since the Chinese could not probe any new leads or eurekas and did not lend the submersible to other nations (which could be the result of a host of other reasons), it's somehow perfectly reasonable to blame the Chinese for technological incompetence and "backwardness", despite that (1) their assumption of technological stagnation is based on speculation, and (2) no other country has put up any clues for the MH370. And that's why the media will only remain on the sidelines.

Whenever their " pride" of the nation in any field is forced to prove itself outside the great wall of propaganda... the world sees its true a ' made in china' quality.

Wrong; the submersible was never "pushed" to prove itself in any way since the Chinese simply did not lend it out, which could be the result of a whole variety of different variables other than technology and technicals (which should not be a point of concern considering that the Jiaolong did break a record).
 
take over what? your millionaires are all running off to the US. surely you don't think GDP shared among a billion people vs the GDP shared 300-400 million , makes you better....

a kid working part time flipping hamburgers at Mcdonell's here make more in year that your factory workers make in year... LOL

And please do realize that the pay rates in the US and China are not the only determinants of economic quality; the price of commodity goods are also crucial, and it is pretty evident that they are of different levels in China and the US.



so you show us your propaganda media as a rebuttal? LOL no wonder they( chinese govt) censor stuff for you chinese sheep...

Any reasonable report would rather take the propaganda media rather than the likes of the speculative hot air posted here.

but no chinese are telling why are they not deploying the latest submersible after all the majority are chinese who died.

And it's inconceivable how anyone can expect a deep diving submersible, with limited endurance and lateral range, to search an airliner that has not even been located yet. Submersibles like the Jiaolong are designed to explore a specific point on the ocean bed.
 
Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap

Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap - latimes.com


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The Jiaolong, China's first manned deep-sea submersible, is a source of pride for the nation. But its mother ship has been unreliable, and Chinese officials have not offered the vessel for use in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. (ChinaFotoPress / June 19, 2012)


BEIJING — In June 2012, China reveled in a major scientific achievement: The nation's first manned deep-sea submersible, the Jiaolong, had dived more than 4.3 miles into the Mariana Trench in the Pacific Ocean. The feat, state-run media said, put China among the elite ranks of such deep-sea-faring countries as the U.S., France and Japan.

Malaysia airliner search points up China's technology gap - latimes.com

Blaming Chinese alone does not serves any purposes. It not failure of Chinese but the whole world including tech leaders. None of them has tech and equipment to quickly locate and recover the plane and missing persons.

It's all efforts which matters and it seems Chinese tried there best! I'm not sure what media or some writers trying to achieve from such tragedy?
 
the so called 'promising lead' detected by supa dupa american technology is nothing but wasting everyone's time for more than week now. the noises they heard probably from a bunch of crabs banging each others, nothing to do with the black box. lol. i don't see NYT and other american media write articles about.. too embarrassed after all the braggin and china bashing..:lol:
 
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take over what? your millionaires are all running off to the US. surely you don't think GDP shared among a billion people vs the GDP shared 300-400 million , makes you better....

a kid working part time flipping hamburgers at Mcdonell's here make more in year that your factory workers make in year... LOL



so you show us your propaganda media as a rebuttal? LOL no wonder they( chinese govt) censor stuff for you chinese sheep...

a person cleaning shit from the toilet in china makes more than your average indian worker in a year... LOL. yeah, go collect your check building toilets in Bangalore... LOL.
 
a person cleaning shit from the toilet in china makes more than your average indian worker in a year... LOL. yeah, go collect your check building toilets in Bangalore... LOL.

so you are comparing yourself to India now... after talking about comparing yourself to the US... lol chinese checkers

The US is a cheapshot little bitch!


what does that make you sitting in the US not in China LOL. the one who sniffs the bitch's a___
 
so you are comparing yourself to India now... after talking about comparing yourself to the US... lol chinese checkers
so you indian think you are american now... haha, lol. Yes, you are right, I JUST COMPARED CHINA WITH YOU SHITTY INDIA, and we are way better.... it feels so good to think that India can never ever catch up to China... lol.
 
so you indian think you are american now... haha, lol. Yes, you are right, I JUST COMPARED CHINA WITH YOU SHITTY INDIA, and we are way better.... it feels so good to think that India can never ever catch up to China... lol.

good to know that you compare yourself to quote " shitty" countries ... brillant
 

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