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And they have the audacity to claim they will repeat "phantom surgical strikes", "cough" "cough" only in Bollywood :lol:, the reality is their infantry is a rag tag force with comparable apparel and equipment to the Congolese armed militia, though to be fair reasonably well trained.
By Major Gaurav Arya.

“She’s the Queen of the battlefield, son”, the Old Man would tell me, with barely concealed pride.
Whenever the Old Man spoke, I would listen…fascinated. The Commanding Officer is affectionately referred to as the Old Man. In my time, most COs were grouchy, yet paternal figures. Their stories were never without an anti-climax. And here it was.
PBI. Yes, I remember.
The nation is busy buying weapons…billions and billions of dollars worth of some of the most sophisticated military hardware this world has ever seen. Notwithstanding the political firestorm surrounding it, the Rafale is a great fighter jet. Thirty-four ships, from aircraft carriers to nuclear submarines, are being built for the Indian Navy under the Make in India program. The Indian Army is on the verge of receiving Ultra Light Howitzers and the K9 Vajra. Apache helicopter gunships are around the corner. Missiles, airlift capabilities, anti-aircraft/missile shields, armed drones…the Defence Ministry is buying weapons systems like never before. There is a tremendous gap between what we need and what we have. And yes, without doubt, we need all that we are buying. These weapons systems are crucial and critical. I cannot over-emphasize how much we need these platforms. They are our final insurance policy.

But here is something you need to know about war. When the ships have sailed and the aircraft have flown, when the big guns have stopped booming the tanks have had their day, it is the infantryman who wades ankle-deep in blood, his rubber-soled shoes making those peculiar, squelching sounds. It is the infantryman who fights the last twenty-five yards and plunges his bayonet into the chest of the enemy. It is he who charges into machine gun fire. From Saragarhi to Rezang La, from the frozen trenches of Europe to the burning deserts of North Africa, from the dizzying heights of Siachen Glacier to the blood splattered rocks of Tololing, the guttural screams of the dying belong to that unknown infantryman. The Line of Control is marked with his blood.
Beyond the multi-billion dollar arms deals, it is the raw courage of the infantryman that keeps India safe. The blood, guts and the bare knuckled fight…that is all infantry. And this hero fights with the most sub-standard equipment known to any modern army.

Let's start from the top.

The helmet he wears is a “modification”. This means that the pathetic helmet he gets from the OFD is suitably modified using Unit funds. Then there is the patka, that “thing” that RR and infantry units in Counter Insurgency wear on their heads. Yes, it saves lives but it is still, for want of a better word, a modified ‘arrangement’.

The BP jacket is heavy. During my time, it was heavier. Soldiers would wear it on pain of punishment. I too am guilty of having discarded it for better mobility. Maybe I set a bad example. But try running with iron strapped to your chest. You will understand my point of view.
Boots (DMS) that are supplied by the Ordnance Factory are sub-standard. Soldiers often buy shoes with their own money. The socks…oh, forget about the socks. The list is endless.

INSAS 5.56 mm is such a disaster that the Nepalese Army refused to take it for free. :lol:The 7.62 mm MMG is older than me. The other weapons systems are either sub-standard, vintage or don’t function as they should. Take for example the fancy 9mm MP9, four of which have been issued, with silencers, to infantry battalions. Training ammunition is at a premium, mostly in two digits. First line and second line ammunition cannot be touched without written permission from someone in the stratosphere…yes, that high up.
The sad part is not the equipment quality and the obvious lack of availability. The bitter truth is that we have the money. Had we been a poor nation, I would have understood. The problem is that we have hundreds of billions of dollars and our priorities are misplaced.

Let us buy all the weapons that we need for our Armed Forces; the fighter jets, the ships, the drones and the big guns. But the truth is that we may never use these weapons. The last time we used fighter jets was in Kargil in 1999. But the infantryman fires his weapon each day at the enemy. He bleeds each day. For him, each day is war.

Finally, let us not forget that it is that infantryman who will give you the news that the nation wants to hear.

After killing and dying for days on end, hungry, bleeding, exhausted but not broken, it is he who will say, “Sir, the tricolor flies atop Tiger Hill”.
 
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The nepalese got massacred due to insas.

indians pushed the donated insas to nepali troops... and guess what... during their battles with maoists (yeah history of nepal) the rifle would fuk up... heating issues,jamming, shitty (prone to breaking lol) mags and rifle quality..

The Nepalese finally said thank you and fk off to the indian and their insaas.
 
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This guy Gaurav arya is an idiot .. i dont know how idiots like him and gen. Bakshi got selected in arm forces .. they are simply emotional fools
 
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Good.. Good... Let the butthurt flow endlessly...

Our modernisation will continue. Doesn't matter if neighbors are crying themselves to sleep or not.
 
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Good.. Good... Let the butthurt flow endlessly...

Our modernisation will continue. Doesn't matter if neighbors are crying themselves to sleep or not.

Infantry needs to be badly modernized. We are the only major military power on the planet which has the concept of 'cannon fodder' soldiers in the front line. The 'banzai charge' format which our infantry uses is actually an archaic concept and only results in more deaths.

What we need is a road-mobile infantry which is armed with 7.62mm machine guns:

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With CAS from LCHs.

Unless we get stuff like this, we are not going to really mature as an infantry.
 
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Infantry needs to be badly modernized. We are the only major military power on the planet which has the concept of 'cannon fodder' soldiers in the front line. The 'banzai charge' format which our infantry uses is actually an archaic concept and only results in more deaths.

What we need is a road-mobile infantry which is armed with 7.62mm machine guns:

_8ffaf556-8366-11e8-b9ce-1e6263d714a8.jpg


With CAS from LCHs.

Unless we get stuff like this, we are not going to really mature as an infantry.
Money, baby, all needs money. The most modern armies belong to countries willing to spend money on them.
 
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Money, baby, all needs money. The most modern armies belong to countries willing to spend money on them.

We need to reduce the combat manpower by 30% at least if we have to save money for modernisation. The problem is we have too many soldiers with poor equipment.

We need lesser soldiers with more lethal and safer technologies.

Lt. Gen. Sheketkar is encouraging the Indian Army to consider some serious downsizing, including drastically reducing the 'grey hair' category of potbellied seniors.
 
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We need to reduce the combat manpower by 30% at least if we have to save money for modernisation. The problem is we have too many soldiers with poor equipment.

We need lesser soldiers with more lethal and safer technologies.

Lt. Gen. Sheketkar is encouraging the Indian Army to consider some serious downsizing, including drastically reducing the 'grey hair' category of potbellied seniors.
They have my support. Godspeed.
 
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Infantry needs to be badly modernized. We are the only major military power on the planet which has the concept of 'cannon fodder' soldiers in the front line. The 'banzai charge' format which our infantry uses is actually an archaic concept and only results in more deaths.

What we need is a road-mobile infantry which is armed with 7.62mm machine guns:

_8ffaf556-8366-11e8-b9ce-1e6263d714a8.jpg


With CAS from LCHs.

Unless we get stuff like this, we are not going to really mature as an infantry.

The entirety of infantry fighting doctrine, inclusive of mountain combat doctrine, mechanized troops doctrine, urban combat doctrine, amphibious assault doctrine are so horrifyingly ancient and outdated for modern war that the wargames look something straight out of WW1 reels. The less said about the equipment, the better. Sufficient to say that Indian army infantry (equipment wise) of today would be outdated by the standards of 1990s NATO, i.e. atleast a full generation behind.

The strategic aspect of combined arms is fairly modern, as modern as a developing country like India's can be anyway. The larger, and more expensive fighting assets are also reasonably modern. However the accompanying infantry, in equipment, training and deployment, belong to a byegone era when line assaults were considered the in thing.

People who comment about the equipment fail to address this aspect of infantry. Equipment is only one part of the issue, the entire concept of the infantry needs revision, neigh a revolution in military affairs.

As to the equipment specifically, the estimated cost of total transformation of 400 odd batallions is around 30,000-40,000 crores. That's cheaper than the proposed 60,000 crore Super Sukhoi upgrade of MKIs.

And for anyone who thinks that 30,000 crore is costly, the actual cost of a KIA/injured runs to around 1 crore as payouts directly and another 1 crore as pension and other support over the lifetime of kin. Then there's the replacement cost, etimated at twice the cost of the existing members That'd value the 400 batallions of 800 soldiers at 640,000(x3) crore. Spending 6.25%(/3) of the value of an asset to protect it would be common sense even in pure financial terms.
 
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LOL..... I don't think he was comparing the IA Infantry to the pakistani infantry. :lol:

He was compare it with the NATO Infantry.
 
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