Made in India military weapons and support systems

[Abingdonboy]

our boy @Abingdonboy is only hopeful of 190 rafales and ToT

Every passing day is making that figure look more and more realistic, ToT is a bit of a sham anyway and I am less interested in that side of things. There are no shortcuts to success, India will continue to invest in the R&D in such critical technologies regardless of ToT offers.

That said, 2015 is not the 90s, early 00s or even 2014- the poltical, economic and strategic landscape are very different today ,and going into 2016, in both nations. The sins of the past are not likely to be repeated.

 

[Dash]

Every passing day is making that figure look more and more realistic, ToT is a bit of a sham anyway and I am less interested in that side of things. There are no shortcuts to success, India will continue to invest in the R&D in such critical technologies regardless of ToT offers.

That said, 2015 is not the 90s, early 00s or even 2014- the poltical, economic and strategic landscape are very different today ,and going into 2016, in both nations. The sins of the past are not likely to be repeated.

Until we see something concrete, I wont be confident. And like I said before money is being spent on other important areas than buying 190 Rafales. I might sound a little pessimistic here, but I see the govnt not interested for such a move. IAF is just off radar when it comes to expensive toys that will have little inpact on Make in India and any significant value for money. Thats the only road block. and thats precisely why there is so much push on LCA.

The political land scape has changed but the mentality remains the same, not ours bot OEM's. I dont know what level of hard bargaining we need to do in order to get a good deal, but I would be first person to be happy along with others if we get one.

 

[Echo_419]

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From what I am hearing, 2016 is being lined up to be a BIG year for "Make in India", a directive that has gone out to all ministries is that MII is not to be some long term policy with nothing to show for it in the the future. As such, there will be a lot of deals signed under MII next year including some truly historic ones. Headlines being predicted for at the first 6 months of 2016 for are something big on the Rafale , infrastrucutre megaprojects and American nuclear power projects in India.


Now if those idiot law makers can just get GST and LAB passed...

Land Acquisition can be done by states,GST is more important

 

[MilSpec]

From what I am hearing, 2016 is being lined up to be a BIG year for "Make in India", a directive that has gone out to all ministries is that MII is not to be some long term policy with nothing to show for it in the the future. As such, there will be a lot of deals signed under MII next year including some truly historic ones. Headlines being predicted for at the first 6 months of 2016 for are something big on the Rafale , infrastrucutre megaprojects and American nuclear power projects in India.


Now if those idiot law makers can just get GST and LAB passed...

I am still a bit skeptical on MII gaining pace in 2016 fiscal year.

 

[Levina]

there will be a lot of deals signed under MII next year including some truly historic ones.

Wasn't the DPP being simplified with MII in focus?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Wasn't the DPP being simplified with MII in focus?

YEs mam they did. and the new one is DPP 2016. posted it here
Made in India military weapons and support systems | Page 31
Page 31 mam

 

[Viper 94]

150.COMMANDER'S SIGHT PASSIVE FOR T-72/BMP-II

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the tank looks more like a PA T-80 UD

 

[Levina]

One would be a directed offsets plan in which the foreign vendor will be mandated to spend its 30 per cent investment share in a particular Make in India plan - to set up a defined manufacturing facility in India, be it a aircraft production line or a ballistic testing facility.

I have my doubts that this would change anything. India's offset policies have always been ambiguous which leaves the foreign vendors perplexed.
Assuming a foreign firm collaborates with an Indian firm (as otherwise they will lose the opportunity to profit from the contract), but if the created entity has to survive on a long term basis, the collaborating foreign firm should get some profit out of it. There is a danger of the interest of the foreign vendor dissipating once the contract is completed as without a reason to retain their interests they will shut shop and return.
Let me give you an example. Armoured personnel carriers were purchased by the Philippines Army from the UK. After eight of these were imported from the UK and the remaining 142 were assembled in Philippines, the assembly line was closed, with only minimal offset benefits to the nation.
I know I sound pessimistic.

@Abingdonboy

 

[Abingdonboy]

I have my doubts that this would change anything. India's offset policies have always been ambiguous which leaves the foreign vendors perplexed.
Assuming a foreign firm collaborates with an Indian firm (as otherwise they will lose the opportunity to profit from the contract), but if the created entity has to survive on a long term basis, the collaborating foreign firm should get some profit out of it. There is a danger of the interest of the foreign vendor dissipating once the contract is completed as without a reason to retain their interests they will shut shop and return.
Let me give you an example. Armoured personnel carriers were purchased by the Philippines Army from the UK. After eight of these were imported from the UK and the remaining 142 were assembled in Philippines, the assembly line was closed, with only minimal offset benefits to the nation.
I know I sound pessimistic.

@Abingdonboy

It's a fair point and that's why allowing the Indian MoD/forces to specify the area where the offsets must be allocated addresses this (to a degree) whilst the current framework leaves the door open for exactly what you have outlined. Offsets are not the silver bullet that will solve all of India's defence issues (as some will have you beleive), some projects will be a success, some will not. There are as many success stories as there are non-stories in the case of offset thus far. The long term offset successes will be those who set up viable enterprises that cater to future requirements ie regional MRO facilities, regional training centres, spare production centres, etc

There are no shortcuts to success as I have said-which some view offsets to be- but giving the power to the MoD/Forces to dictate where the offsets go will certainly be more benefical long term then the current arrangements where the OEMs could invest the money in farm equipment and still be sticking to the DPP!

 

[Levina]

There are no shortcuts to success as I have said-which some view offsets to be- but giving the power to the MoD/Forces to dictate where the offsets go will certainly be more benefical long term then the current arrangements where the OEMs could invest the money in farm equipment and still be sticking to the DPP!

I agree offset policy is not the only factor but India should consider coming up with more transparent policies.
I read somewhere that Singapore and Japan have successfully used offset policy to their advantage by increasing the percentage to 60, by fixing a percentage for dual use technology inductions.

 

[Perpendicular]

https://twitter.com/x/status/683371511869132800

National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), India’s second largest aerospace firm, has recently demonstrated 3D printed prototypes used for the design and validation of various aerospace components at an exhibition in Bangalore, making NAL one of the latest aerospace organizations to adopt advanced 3D printing and additive manufacturing to develop the next generation of defense and aerospace technologies.

The demonstration took place between the 10th and 12th of December at the MSME DEFEXPO 2015, an MSME (micro, small medium enterprises) Sub-Contracting and Supply Exhibition for India’s Defense, Aerospace and Homeland Security. The exhibition seeks to connect MSMEs with leaders in the defense and aerospace industry supply chain—and in this case, the connection occurred between NAL and J Group Robotics, a ‘home grown Indian’ 3D printer manufacturer that has previously been involved in developing technologies for construction 3D printers and 3D printed robots.

NAL procured J Robotics’ Dimension Dual Delta XL 3D system, a large-format 3D printer with a build volume of 420x420x720mm, and used J Robotics’ 3D printing technology in order to manufacture 3D printed prototypes of aerospace components. According to J Robotics, NAL intends to continue using this technology in order to explore 3D printed solutions for wind tunnel testing, as well as other applications for developing new components or quality tests within the aerospace sector.

J Robotics Founder and Chairman Vishal Jariwala said that due to the great scope of 3D printing applications within the aerospace sectors, including moving components, design validation, and more, “MSME 3D printing companies like J Group Robotics shall stand a chance to experiment and collaborate with National Aerospace Laboratories.” NAL was established by the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research, and has the prime responsibility of developing civilian aircraft in India.

3D printing technology is increasingly being sought out by aerospace and defense organizations across the world, from NASA to the US Air Force to South Korea and Morocco, as it significantly reduces the time required to develop and manufacture high-value parts in complex metal alloys. Thanks to advancements in new 3D printing materials and processes, these parts are also lighter, faster, and safer than ever before.

India’s 3D printing innovation has also been making headlines this week thanks to a biotech startup that has successfully developed 3D bioprinted human liver tissue. In addition, German industrial 3D printer manufacturer voxeljet also recently announced a new subsidiary in India, in an attempt to drive the up-and-coming Indian 3D printing market.

 

[Hindustani78]

Mysore: A view of Defence Equipment Exhibition in Mysore on Sunday.

Mysore: Union Minister for Science and Technology and Earth Sciences Harsh Vardhan goes through a Defence Equipment Exhibition in Mysore on Sunday.

 

[Dazzler]

the tank looks more like a PA T-80 UD

Yes, its a Pakistani t-80ud

 

[Water Car Engineer]

TATA Powe SED products, a lot are through recent lie ups

 

[Abingdonboy]

Rudras during Army day demo 2016:

ALH Mk.3: