Low and Medium Altitude SAM development agreements signed with Aselsan...

[Deno]

yess superman kemal dervis do it all. he have a brilliant idea and this works now 10 years ago. bla bla bla...
he is nothing

If you are this ignorant than atleast you should hide it rather than showing it proudly...

 

[Armstrong]

If you are this ignorant than atleast you should hide it rather than showing it proudly...

Ouch...ouch ! And the tigress roars

But seriously don't you think that in this context Governance is everything and AKP rightly deserve much of the credit for these things. I know in my country many brilliant people have come up with ingenious ideas on how to set our affairs in order but the Politicians aren't bothered so most of it gets either deliberately stifled or forgotten.

 

[Deno]

Ouch...ouch ! And the tigress roars

But seriously don't you think that in this context Governance is everything and AKP rightly deserve much of the credit for these things. I know in my country many brilliant people have come up with ingenious ideas on how to set our affairs in order but the Politicians aren't bothered so most of it gets either deliberately stifled or forgotten.

It is very long history but let me tell you this, Turkey was in her biggest economical crisis and Turkish politicans literally begged Kemal Dervis to come and solve the problem. He proposed a three year plan to solve the economic crisis. The first year progressed very good and then came the elections. People didn't care about economical success at last year because they were both tired of old politicians and sick of economical faiuleres. So AKp got elected but they didn't change Dervis' policy... They continued it...

AKP may deserve a lot of credit for investing in East or being more liberal than the rest but they have to share their credit with Kemal Dervis... AKP is nothng more than a little bit more honest than others... I still remember how they sold Erdemir (Turkey's larget steel producer factory) with nothing more tha a dime...

They made the factory showed as lossing money for last two years and lowered the production ammount to lower its value and sold its %49.27 share for less than $3 billion... The year after than Erdemir anounced $760 million Net profit... and still profits around $400-$600 million around every year... Erdemir's estate (other than their own and 2 other factories they own) values are more than $1.7 billion... and not to forgot that by selling Erdemir's %49 share they also sold 2 factories that Erdemir owned too......

If thats not a fraud than I don't know what it is... AKP is just little bit more honest... Not much but little bit more...

 

[BaybarsHan]

bring your süpermen dervis back and win the next elections but dont be jealous, calis seninde olus

 

[Zulkarneyn]

It is very long history but let me tell you this, Turkey was in her biggest economical crisis and Turkish politicans literally begged Kemal Dervis to come and solve the problem. He proposed a three year plan to solve the economic crisis. The first year progressed very good and then came the elections. People didn't care about economical success at last year because they were both tired of old politicians and sick of economical faiuleres. So AKp got elected but they didn't change Dervis' policy... They continued it...

AKP may deserve a lot of credit for investing in East or being more liberal than the rest but they have to share their credit with Kemal Dervis... AKP is nothng more than a little bit more honest than others... I still remember how they sold Erdemir (Turkey's larget steel producer factory) with nothing more tha a dime...

They made the factory showed as lossing money for last two years and lowered the production ammount to lower its value and sold its %49.27 share for less than $3 billion... The year after than Erdemir anounced $760 million Net profit... and still profits around $400-$600 million around every year... Erdemir's estate (other than their own and 2 other factories they own) values are more than $1.7 billion... and not to forgot that by selling Erdemir's %49 share they also sold 2 factories that Erdemir owned too......

If thats not a fraud than I don't know what it is... AKP is just little bit more honest... Not much but little bit more...

Typical myopic sentences "is a little bit better.. is a little more honest.. a little more". Either they are better or worse, for Turkey they are the best, period.

 

[Armstrong]

It is very long history but let me tell you this, Turkey was in her biggest economical crisis and Turkish politicans literally begged Kemal Dervis to come and solve the problem. He proposed a three year plan to solve the economic crisis. The first year progressed very good and then came the elections. People didn't care about economical success at last year because they were both tired of old politicians and sick of economical faiuleres. So AKp got elected but they didn't change Dervis' policy... They continued it...

AKP may deserve a lot of credit for investing in East or being more liberal than the rest but they have to share their credit with Kemal Dervis... AKP is nothng more than a little bit more honest than others... I still remember how they sold Erdemir (Turkey's larget steel producer factory) with nothing more tha a dime...

They made the factory showed as lossing money for last two years and lowered the production ammount to lower its value and sold its %49.27 share for less than $3 billion... The year after than Erdemir anounced $760 million Net profit... and still profits around $400-$600 million around every year... Erdemir's estate (other than their own and 2 other factories they own) values are more than $1.7 billion... and not to forgot that by selling Erdemir's %49 share they also sold 2 factories that Erdemir owned too......

If thats not a fraud than I don't know what it is... AKP is just little bit more honest... Not much but little bit more...

You don't have any idea what I'd give for 'a little bit honest' to govern Pakistan right now !

P.S No comment on the tiger

 

[Deno]

Typical myopic sentences "is a little bit better.. is a little more honest.. a little more". Either they are better or worse, for Turkey they are the best, period.

Should I said something that is not true? I could say they didn't sell countries factories and componies for a dime with corruption but that would be a lie now wouldn't it. and why didn't you comment on the Erdemir issue? They are doing the same thing to Ziraat too... Ziraat profited more than $ 1 billion but in 2011 they did the same thing to Ziraat to sell it for lesser price... Ziraat will be privatize this year or 2013...

You should be able to point out the wrong doings of them too if you want to be seen as objective... I voted for AKP, I can see their possitive works and the negative one...

You don't have any idea what I'd give for 'a little bit honest' to govern Pakistan right now !

P.S No comment on the tiger

Tiger was awesome

 

[Zulkarneyn]

I would rather see state owned companies privatized instead of corrupt officials sitting inside empty no-life buildings doing a days work in a week. We all know the stories of state owned companies and the people inside these so called "work-places" doing complete nothing and wasting a ton of resources. The level of overall economic development and higher standards prove itself. One has to be a low-life fanatic to deny the growth, especially in times of global economic recession.

 

[Deno]

I would rather see state owned companies privatized instead of corrupt officials sitting inside empty no-life buildings doing a days work in a week. We all know the stories of state owned companies and the people inside these so called "work-places" doing complete nothing and wasting a ton of resources. The level of overall economic development and higher standards prove itself. One has to be a low-life fanatic to deny the growth, especially in times of global economic recession.

Are you saying that because I am pointing out facts that I am a ''low life fanatic''? What the muck are you talking about?

''I would rather see state owned companies privatized instead of corrupt officials sitting inside empty no-life buildings doing a days work in a week. We all know the stories of state owned companies and the people inside these so called "work-places" doing complete nothing and wasting a ton of resources.''

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I didn't say they shouldn't be privatize, I said they shouldn't done this corruptions and sold our national resources that cheap... And being the most successful bank in Turkey does not mean ''corrupt officials sitting inside empty no-life buildings doing a days work in a week.'' It means they are doing what they shoul do...

You called me low life fanatic because I pointed out the corruption of your ''dear leaders'' but did you ever wonder who is a low life fanatic... Is me, the one who can point out the corruption in AKP even though voted for AKP or the one who does not even live in Turkey and claim others of being low life because they pointed out FACTS....

think about it a little...

 

[Zulkarneyn]

Did i call you a low-life fanatic? Read again

 

[avrasya]

Sudden start ? Who saied it ?

-MILGEM, Development of a domestic corvette based on national construction capabilities aren't started suddenly with an HOKUS-Pokus agreement or technology. It's technological background and capability level to commence this project is way before than AKP. This project is officially launched in 1990's and has nothing to do with any politic figures... Politics are just desicion makers, Rest is about capability, technology level, experience and old efforts of institutes. Nothing brings with sudden as someone tells in their dreams...

-T-129 ATAK, I don't know what "AR-GE-2004" term reminds you but It is the main purpose of going a semi-domestic attack helicopter with cancelling first ATAK-1 tender (AH-1Z) in order to integrate own domestic avionics-mission computers and electro-optics. AR-GE 2004 projects, the avionics developed until this dates and many other electronics to be integrated on T-129 Atak has nothing to do with any politic figures. The beggining story of those projects to modify own helicopter platform in accordance with own benefits for future is way before than AKP or some other politic figures.


Politicians are just desicion makers and coordinates the rules in accordance with global conjunctures of the World. Neither they invest their own money, nor They have technology to commence/develop a sh@t so Ignoring all old backgrounds/efforts of those proud Turkish institute to do credit politic figures with using Turkish engineers' 30-40 years experience/efforts is shamefull. Nothing brings with a magic. All of those programs need huge huge experiences-efforts. That's why So less countries have such competitive defence products/programs... This is not a thing that can be developed within 10 years...

so What AKP did ? AKP encouraged Turkish institutes to go more domestic programs and accelerated investments under a program arranged by years and mores. Systematic efforts bring more success in this field but Nothing started with AKP ERA as someone mentioned.

so can you please explain me how do you plan to develop such projects with more than 100 % enflation and astronomical borrowing interest rate ? Again I am asking why we did not develop same projects 10 years ago 20 years ego 30 years ago ?

We now have stable government so we have stable economy as a result now we have power to develop and compleate such kind of projects. Saying that this projects has nothing to to with akp is absurt.

 

[cabatli_53]

so can you please explain me how do you plan to develop such projects with more than 100 % enflation and astronomical borrowing interest rate ? Again I am asking why we did not develop same projects 10 years ago 20 years ego 30 years ago ?

We now have stable government so we have stable economy as a result now we have power to develop and compleate such kind of projects. Saying that this projects has nothing to to with akp is absurt.

Are you sure that You read What I have typed about commencement time of those "sudden" popular projects and their "sudden" technological background (AKP magic technology for someone) and politic figures' positive roles to direct/coordinate/accelerate/encourage under a vision regarding the success of Turkish defence industry in parralel of economical success of Turkey ?

 

[BordoEnes]

Aah the great gap between Kemalists and AKP Supporters reveals itself, I saw this at so many forums and Blogs! And now its slowly starting here to... Pity

 

[Deno]

Aah the great gap between Kemalists and AKP Supporters reveals itself, I saw this at so many forums and Blogs! And now its slowly starting here to... Pity

Stating facts is considered being a Kemalism and blindly supporting every decision is considered as AKP support????

And Kemalism means loving nation, secularism and the state... %93 of the population is Kemalist when Kemalism used in its real meaning rather than some peoples degrading Kemalism as anti-religion or not supporting AKP...

 

[Quasar]

can we just get back to the topic! cabatli_53 and Deno you are just wasting your time with these people who has simply no idea about defence related issues! BordoEnes love you as well!

key word IGNORE!