Losing Palestine

[Khafee]

yeah , but Palestine today is nothing .. its even smaller than Gulshan area Karachi



May Allah forbid ..

Doesn't matter how small, as long as you can visit, Masjid Al Aqsa.

 

[rockstar08]

Yes but whose fault is that though? Your country doesn't recognise the Jewish state of Israel so how can they give you visa?

we are not talking about who's fault is this ..
Hitler killed Jews was not the fault of Muslims , Jews were driven out of their land was not fault of Muslims , so why they are hesitating to accept a two nation concept ? if they are saints than accept Palestine right to exist

Doesn't matter how small, as long as you can visit, Masjid Al Aqsa.

That land is holy for all Abrahmic religion , no one can claim this land ..
Israel got the power so they will oppress the Palestinian people ,who ever got the Power Oppress the other .. this is rule of mankind ..

 

[Khafee]

That land is holy for all Abrahmic religion , no one can claim this land ..
Israel got the power so they will oppress the Palestinian people ,who ever got the Power Oppress the other .. this is rule of mankind ..

Not really my young friend. The Jews golden age was during the rule of the Muslims. On the other hand the Holocaust was done by the Christians, and then as compensation Palestine was handed on a silver platter to them. Why didn't the give the Jews, their own country in Germany, Europe, or the US?

More importantly, I as a non-Paksitani see Sikhs visiting Hassan Abdal in Pakistan, from around the globe, without any issues. You on the other hand, try visiting Ajmer or Hazrat Bal in Kashmir, and see what happens!

 

[aakash_2410]

we are not talking about who's fault is this ..
Hitler killed Jews was not the fault of Muslims , Jews were driven out of their land was not fault of Muslims , so why they are hesitating to accept a two nation concept ? if they are saints than accept Palestine right to exist

Mate, sooner or later everyone is gonna have to accept that two nation concept is the only peaceful and feasible solution to the current mess. But, I was just correcting you on blaming them for not recognising your passport.

 

[rockstar08]

Mate, sooner or later everyone is gonna have to accept that two nation concept is the only peaceful and feasible solution to the current mess. But, I was just correcting you on blaming them for not recognising your passport.

so far we only see Israel is using F-16's against a dense populated strip called Gaza , tanks against the protesters ..and they does not seems to in any mood to accept a two nation concept

Not really my young friend. The Jews golden age was during the rule of the Muslims. On the other hand the Holocaust was done by the Christians, and then as compensation Palestine was handed on a silver platter to them. Why didn't the give the Jews, their own country in Germany, Europe, or the US?

well I dont think Hitler and his Nazi's were Christian's ... and we also see that part of history when Muslims support Hitler ..
but again i agree with you that Jews have their golden period when Muslims rule the Jerusalem ..
and as for EU , they give Jews the land from which they were driven out , but they forget that this land also belong to Muslims and Christian , and as Christian lose their interest , and Muslim holds a significant importance for that land have to suffer ..
and for EU that they did not give a land in European union .. a European can give a better answer

 

[aakash_2410]

so far we only see Israel is using F-16's against a dense populated strip called Gaza , tanks against the protesters ..and they does not seems to in any mood to accept a two nation concept

But then you also have counter narrative from Israel about human shield, terror attacks and stabbings within Israel, so we can not be biased and judge here and also, I agree so far Israel doesn't seem to be in any mood to accept the only logical solution but then again they're the bigger power in this conflict and stand to lose from the proposed theory.

The only thing UN and world community can unsure is to bring both parties to the table and have a fruitful outcome from the talks with the least amount of human lives lost.

 

[rockstar08]

But then you also have counter narrative from Israel about human shield, terror attacks and stabbings within Israel, so we can not be biased and judge here and also, I agree so far Israel doesn't seem to be in any mood to accept the only logical solution but then again they're the bigger power in this conflict and stand to lose from the proposed theory.

The only thing UN and world community can unsure is to bring both parties to the table and have a fruitful outcome from the talks with the least amount of human lives lost.

Janab , Stabbing and rocket Fire on a country using Iron Dome ? Israel is a military might in Middle east , the most Advance Country when it comes to Technology in ME .. you are saying that few stabbing incident gives you Justification to use F-16's , Tanks on a small Strip packed with civilians ? than what should we ( Pakistan ) have to do with TTP ? Nukes the Fcuking the FATA ? look at Pakistan and its strategy of Operations , there are numerous way to resolve the conflict .. but only if the powerful party is willing to .. weak party is not in position to piss off the strong Party ..

UN can not do anything as they proved to be useless , there are numerous wars and civil wars happening in this world and UN do shit about anything .. they agree to what Uncle sam told them .. and they pass the resolutions ..

If Israel is so nice and humanitarian people than they need to prove it , bring the Palestinian people on board to start talk with equality .. there are people on both sides who will do anything to sabotage any peace deal .. and we all know that .

 

[aakash_2410]

Janab , Stabbing and rocket Fire on a country using Iron Dome ? Israel is a military might in Middle east , the most Advance Country when it comes to Technology in ME .. you are saying that few stabbing incident gives you Justification to use F-16's , Tanks on a small Strip packed with civilians ? than what should we ( Pakistan ) have to do with TTP ? Nukes the Fcuking the FATA ? look at Pakistan and its strategy of Operations , there are numerous way to resolve the conflict .. but only if the powerful party is willing to .. weak party is not in position to piss off the strong Party ..

UN can not do anything as they proved to be useless , there are numerous wars and civil wars happening in this world and UN do shit about anything .. they agree to what Uncle sam told them .. and they pass the resolutions ..

If Israel is so nice and humanitarian people than they need to prove it , bring the Palestinian people on board to start talk with equality .. there are people on both sides who will do anything to sabotage any peace deal .. and we all know that .

Sahib, I agree that "proportionate force" should be used in such events. And I agree that onus for talks lies on Israel as being a bigger power and I have utmost sympathy for Palestinian authorities not for Hamas though. Hamas should be banned and I agree Israel has cutting edge weaponry but obviously they shouldn't apologise for using the most advanced tech in the world just because their enemy doesn't possess it.

But, you do raise a valid point that Israel using 'proportionate force' in such events will go a long way in terms of confidence building measures and long term solution.

 

[rockstar08]

Sahib, I agree that "proportionate force" should be used in such events. And I agree that onus for talks lies on Israel as being a bigger power and I have utmost sympathy for Palestinian authorities not for Hamas though. Hamas should be banned and I agree Israel has cutting edge weaponry but obviously they shouldn't apologise for using the most advanced tech in the world just because their enemy doesn't possess it.

But, you do raise a valid point that Israel using 'proportionate force' in such events will go a long way in terms of confidence building measures and long term solution.

exactly janab , using the Guided bombs will make sure that you are not decreasing the enemy but multiplying it by many ..
Israel did not nor they will hesitate to use the weapon they get it over the years , cause they see Palestinian and hamas as a threat to their existence ,but every threat has a level , US can easily nukes the Afghanistan after 9/11 , and trust me , no one can dare to stop them .. and after a decade or two people will accept it and move on ..but as US did not do this , they use a more smart way ,( which does not work as they expected ) , but in case of Israel and Palestine its again more difficult cause there are no mountains and trenches .. the houses are close to each other, you drop a bomb on a house and next house will go down with shocks or pressure ..
Israel need to understand that with backing of West behind them even the Entire Arab world cant do shit about them, so whatever the future agreement will be signed will secure Israel interest for sure .. but for Humanity ,and peace in the region they need to acknowledge the rights of Palestine and its people .. than and only than you can start a long journey of peace process in the ME ..

 

[Dubious]

Palestine today

is it something to be smiley about?

you drunk?

 

[rockstar08]

is it something to be smiley about?

:unsure> you drunk?

no why not ? why getting over emotional ?

remember the Massacre of Peshawar ? next day my University were promoting a Dance party ..

 

[Dubious]

no why not ? why getting over emotional ?

am i?

next day my University were promoting a Dance party ..

so you behaving smiley over such thing has to do with your university which you are pointing out coz you know it is insane but are behaving in the same insane manner but refuse to be called out about it?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You on the other hand, try visiting Ajmer or Hazrat Bal in Kashmir, and see what happens!

What will happen? Millions visit the places every year.

 

[Khafee]

What will happen? Millions visit the places every year.

Thousands visit Hasan Abdal from India, can the same be said about Ajmer or Hazrat Bal in Kashmir?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Thousands visit Hasan Abdal from India, can the same be said about Ajmer or Hazrat Bal in Kashmir?

Hundreds of thousands (if not in millions) visit Ajmer Sharif and Hazrat Bal. Most of the visitors are Hindus though.
Google some pictures yourself.