Lord Ram an imaginary character: Karunanidhi

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Erode: Charging communal forces with attempts to stop the work on the Sethusamudram project by invoking the name of Lord Ram, DMK patriarch and Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi has said Ram was an imaginary character and Ram Sethu (Adam's Bridge) was man-made.

'Some say there was a person over 17 lakh years ago. His name was Ram. Do not touch the bridge (Ram Sethu) constructed by him. Who is this Ram? From which engineering college he graduated? Is there any proof for this?' Karunanidhi, a known atheist, asked at a public meeting.

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Addressing the meeting here late on Sunday night on the occasion of DMK founder C N Annadurai's 99th birth anniversary he said people of Tamil Nadu had lot of faith in religious matters and some thought that their emotions could be easily whipped up by quoting the name of Ram.

If the Sethusamudram project was completed, Sri Lanka might face economic difficulties and Tamil Nadu would prosper, he said adding some Sri Lankans might have whispered to some here that Tamil Nadu should never become prosperous.

'Only to prevent the good scheme, they got hold of the name of a person who was supposed to have lived 17 lakh years ago', he said.

He claimed that the opposition to the project was part of a large conspiracy by 'some jackals, who wanted to destroy the Dravidian movement'.

Haha why was Babri Masjid destroyed?

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Sidhu burns Sonia's effigy, demands apology
Saturday, 15 September , 2007, 23:33

Amritsar: Former cricketer and Bharatiya Janata Party MP Navjot Singh Sidhu on Saturday burnt an effigy of Congress president Sonia Gandhi and demanded an apology from the government for filing an affidavit before the Supreme Court questioning the existence of Hindu god Ram.

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Sidhu, Lok Sabha MP from the Sikh holy city of Amritsar, led over 100 supporters to the historic Hall gate for a protest demonstration and burnt the effigy.

"The government has hurt the religious sentiments of our Hindu brothers by questioning the existence of Shri Ram Chander ji," Sidhu told the protestors.

The Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC), the 'mini parliament' of Sikhs, also demanded that the United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government tender an unqualified apology over the controversy that it had created.

"The sentiments of millions of Hindus have been hurt by the government's action. On the one hand people talk about Ram Rajya and on the other they question Lord Ram's very existence," SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar said in Amritsar.

Makkar said that the holy book of Sikhs — Guru Granth Sahib — also contained references to Lord Ram and his existence could not be questioned.

Lol, the same lovable guy from the laughter challenge?

 

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btw personally i beleive we can't make jokes on someone's beleive or religion, it's strictly prohibited in Islam, Ram is God for Hindus, but nothing for muslims, let them keep their beleive intact, we don't need to say anything about it, as it may hurt them

 

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Karunanidhi is a jackass, but he is right. These Ram people are holding up important infrastructure just because of some imaginary bridge. The last thing the govt needs to do is make policy decisions based on mythology.

 

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Lord Ram an imaginary character: Karunanidhi - Sify.com
Haha why was Babri Masjid destroyed?

Bcoz it was built by some moron muslim ruler after destroying a temple.

 

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btw personally i beleive we can't make jokes on someone's beleive or religion, it's strictly prohibited in Islam, Ram is God for Hindus, but nothing for muslims, let them keep their beleive intact, we don't need to say anything about it, as it may hurt them

The Muslims in India has said that existence of Ram is a matter of belief/faith.

However great injustices have been committed against minorities in the name of Ram. Shouldn't they be reversed in light of this revelation and if India is not going to arrest the top brass of BJP then at least stop the construction of the Ram Temple and rebuild the Babri Masjid. This is the LEAST they can do.

 

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Haha why was Babri Masjid destroyed?

Karunanidhi is a communist jackass. Hence his hatred for Lord Ram.
Babri masjid was demolished because it sits bang in the middle of one of Hinduism's holiest spots, and was constructed on top of an earlier hindu temple. Considering the sheer importance of the site, I'm not surprised that someone decided to remove the mosque there.

However, the government better not halt any infrastructure project in order to please some ram-bhakts. It wiill set a very bad precedent.

 

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But if there's no Ram, then how can there be a Ram temple there? There's no archaeological evidence that Babri Masjid sits over a historical Ram birthplace temple.

Turns out you sheer importance is just a myth.

 

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But if there's no Ram, then how can there be a Ram temple there? There's no archaeological evidence that Babri Masjid sits over a historical Ram birthplace temple.

Turns out you sheer importance is just a myth.

why is an administrator trying to throw flame-baits?

 

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Yeah. Thats why it is called mythology.

But if there's no Ram, then how can there be a Ram temple there?

Wow...now isn't that an awesome piece of logic.

Incidentally, where is the archaeological evidence for any religious beliefs. There isn't. Give me archaeological evidence to support the existence of allah or Christ.

You are completely missing the point.

 

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why is an administrator trying to throw flame-baits?

I'm repeating what an INDIAN representing the ruling government has said and its very relevant to some heinous crimes that have been committed... I'm asking why and what now.

 

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Yeah. Thats why it is called mythology.



Wow...now isn't that an awesome piece of logic.

Incidentally, where is the archaeological evidence for any religious beliefs. There isn't. Give me archaeological evidence to support the existence of allah or Christ.

You are completely missing the point.

The tomb of the Prophet Muhammad exists today... If there's a similar doubt any time in the future, we can exhume the body and find out! Every claim about Ram that has been made does not exist.

Even though Jesus cannot be verified the events that took place are very close to actual treatment of those times. The events are also from recorded history.

Moses is mentioned in the Egyptian Scribes and the events mimic those in the old testament.

Archaeology can really test historical claims of religious texts. I'm not arguing about other claims of Hinduism, but at least Ram which is at the core of so many issues, should be verified by SOME degree at least before we allow India's Hindu parties to go on a rampage.

 

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NDTV.com: Govt to review Sethu project

Govt to review Sethu project

The government will re-examine the Sethusamudram project so that the Ram Setu is not disturbed and has been given three months by the Supreme Court to do so.

The government has also withdrawn a controversial affidavit that said there is no historical proof of Lord Ram's existence.

The Centre said in a fresh affidavit that it never meant to cast aspersions on any faith.

The affidavit says: ''The government has total respect for all religions and Hinduism in particular in the context of present case. The government is alive and conscious of religious sensibilities, including the unique ancient and holy text of Ramayana having regards to public sentiments.''

The government's damage control follows a political storm over the remarks on Lord Ram, which forced Congress President Sonia Gandhi to step in.

Among the controversial references which sparked off the protests is the paragraph says: ''Contents of the Valmiki Ramayana, the Ramcharita Manas by Tulsidas and other mythological texts cannot be said to be historical record to incontrovertibly prove the existence of the characters, or the occurrence of the events, depicted therein.''

The Centre's action came in the wake of controversy sparked by the ASI affidavit on Thursday that forced the government to backtrack on the issue.

Meanwhile, the ASI has written to Sonia Gandhi explaining its position on the objectionable portions on Lord Ram.

Congress Spokesman Abhishek Singhvi said that the party is looking into who is responsible for the lapse.

Also Congress leader Devendra Nath Dwivedi said that Congress always respected the sentiment of the people. But BJP exploited the issue electorally.

He added that the current matter cannot be looked as a narrow bureaucratic issue and the government should definitely fix accountability.

A Bench headed by Chief Justice K G Balkrishnan, which allowed the Centre to withdraw the affidavits, said that the August 31 interim order putting on hold the construction in Rama Setu area will continue.

The Court in its interim order had allowed the dredging activity. It posted the matter for hearing in the first week of January, 2008.

The CPI(M) Politburo has come to the Congress government's aid on the ongoing Sethusamudram shipping canal project controversy.

The party issued a statement on Friday that supported the government and took a dig at the Opposition BJP.

CPI(M) charged that Ram Sethu project was sanctioned during NDA's rule and termed BJP's opposition to the Ram Sethu project as sheer hypocrisy.

Turns out they might give in! When there's no historical evidence! I don't believe this! Repeat a lie a thousand times and it'll become the truth?

 

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The tomb of the Prophet Muhammad exists today... If there's a similar doubt any time in the future, we can exhume the body and find out! Every claim about Ram that has been made does not exist.

Not the Prophet. The god himself.

Even though Jesus cannot be verified the events that took place are very close to actual treatment of those times. The events are also from recorded history.

Yeah...like the great flood? I don't recall an ancient ark being discovered. Fact is, that there is no consensus on the existence of jesus, let alone that he was a god.

Moses is mentioned in the Egyptian Scribes and the events mimic those in the old testament.

Ram is mentioned in several ancient hindu texts as well. No qualified archaeologist considers the old testament as a historical record.

Archaeology can really test historical claims of religious texts. I'm not arguing about other claims of Hinduism, but at least Ram which is at the core of so many issues, should be verified by SOME degree at least before we allow India's Hindu parties to go on a rampage.

Historical incidents to some extent can be verified. But the gods themselves...don't kid yourself.
It is not without reason that religion is synonymous with "faith".

The existence of Ram cannot be verified. It needs faith. Simple as that. So there is no question of Hindu parties going on rampage for any reason whatsoever.

It is expected that the govt. will not want to offend the majority hindus by denying their existence of their god. However, in ideal circumstances, they shouldn't make policy decisions on the basis of some imaginary beliefs.

 

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Not the Prophet. The god himself.

Muslims have not claimed the god ever walked on Earth. So no talk about him being found in archaeological finds. Yes Muhammad came with the message that he exists and that message has ample proof...

Yeah...like the great flood? I don't recall an ancient ark being discovered. Fact is, that there is no consensus on the existence of jesus, let alone that he was a god.

There shows your little understanding of the Abrahamic faiths. Anyway Jesus's story is not about Noah's Arc (who preceeds Abraham). However evidence exists in the way Jesus was crucified, the references to Herod, the Roman Empire...

Ram is mentioned in several ancient hindu texts as well. No qualified archaeologist considers the old testament as a historical record.

Correct, but they do base their archaeological expeditions to TEST the old testament. The old testament has been flimsy on the details but has accurate descriptions on the EXISTENCE of people like King David, the city of Sodom, Jerusalem, Emperor Hezeckiah, the Egyptian Pharoahs, Moses.

About your earlier talk of Noah's ark... Well the boat may not have been every found but there WAS a great flood, proved by science. When the 2nd Ice age ended, a lot of ice was melted away what do you think that must've done to the coastal areas?

Historical incidents to some extent can be verified. But the gods themselves...don't kid yourself.

The gods that have walked on Earth, at least some of their incidents should be verified? Is any bit of the Mahabharat verifiable?

It is not without reason that religion is synonymous with "faith".

Faith comes with the unseen, you are talking about a living god, his birth, his temple, where are they?

The existence of Ram cannot be verified. It needs faith. Simple as that. So there is no question of Hindu parties going on rampage for any reason whatsoever.

Without proof they can claim anything and demolish an old mosque?

It is expected that the govt. will not want to offend the majority hindus by denying their existence of their god. However, in ideal circumstances, they shouldn't make policy decisions on the basis of some imaginary beliefs.

And lose votes?

 

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I'm repeating what an INDIAN representing the ruling government has said and its very relevant to some heinous crimes that have been committed... I'm asking why and what now.

Just in case you didnt know, karunanidhi is a christian and his party dmk is atheistic.