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[Schutz]

People thinking India can beat UK ha, its all about experience and professionalism, something which is almost impossible to instill in soldiers outside of Europe/Russia/North America/East Asia. UK wouldnt beat India but a UK soldier is worth 10 of an Indians in terms of knowledge, training, level of quality of training, combat experience, equipment which are factors that are immeasurable, I cant imagine Indias defenses being to difficult to destroy in quick attacks its just the numbers game that keeps them in it.

Our current sub fleet is not really outdated, it is mostly made by the LA class equivalent Type 093 and many AIP subs with Stirling and fuel cell.


Well, EU sucks, it is not worthy to be mentioned here.

And I love how the EU members keep cheerleading for the US when they basically got manhandled by us in a debate.

All it takes is a few nuclear bombs and any nation is damaged beyond repair for many many years and most people will lose huge amounts of their family, if a country the size of Iceland had nuclear capability and started a war with China who has more to lose, it matters little how many soldiers or nukes you have, one is all that is needed for the world to fall into destruction.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

fair enough , I assume you have a little less than 10 Type 093 active,
it still doesn't stand up to the US sub fleet.

There are 7 Type 093 and 6 Type 094, and we are starting to build the Type 095 and the Type 096.

However, we have many AIP subs such as the Type 039A/B/C.

The Type 039A alone is 13 boats, then imagining with the Type 039B and the Type 039C.

Type 039A submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW, the USN also has its weakness, since about half of the 70 nuclear subs are belong to the Cold War LA class.

By 2020, those LA class subs will all reach their 30s, so the aging problem is also a big issue for the USN.

All it takes is a few nuclear bombs and any nation is damaged beyond repair for many many years and most people will lose huge amounts of their family, if a country the size of Iceland had nuclear capability and started a war with China who has more to lose, it matters little how many soldiers or nukes you have, one is all that is needed for the world to fall into destruction.

Funny, you don't even have your own proper nuclear arsenal, yet talking about a nuclear war with China?

UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your Britain and France are by far the two weakest P5 nations, and you guys don't deserve to maintain the glorious P5 title.

 

[Gabriel92]

@ChineseTiger1986 This is laughable how you are understating other countries in general and overstating yours.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

@ChineseTiger1986 This is laughable how you are understating other countries in general and overstating yours.

I didn't overstate my country at all, but your countries are second rate nowadays.

This is also the truth.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I am talking about the total sub fleet
a few new subs does not change anything when compared to 70+ nuclear subs
majority of their sub fleet consists of old diesel subs. and they do not have a proper ASW fleet
to compensate for it.

China is more than a decade away to catching up to US, US fleet does not only consist of warships , it consists of massive chain of logistical ships that puts it way ahead of anyone in terms of projecting power.

I was talking in terms of technological advances ..

@ChineseTiger1986 This is laughable how you are understating other countries in general and overstating yours.

He's pretty much correct.. Do you think France or Germany (Bar USA) can take on China even in the Pacific?

 

[Gabriel92]

He's pretty much correct.. Do you think France or Germany (Bar USA) can take on China even in the Pacific?

It won't happen. (War with china,for which interests ?)
End of the story.

 

[SipahSalar]

Gabriel is right. I don't see a war ever happening between Europe and China. USA and Europe are too divided on their policies, they can't even agree on whether or not to supply arms to Ukraine, you think they would be ready to fight China?

USA will be alone if it does decide to take on China, even India won't side with it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

People thinking India can beat UK ha, its all about experience and professionalism, something which is almost impossible to instill in soldiers outside of Europe/Russia/North America/East Asia. UK wouldnt beat India but a UK soldier is worth 10 of an Indians in terms of knowledge, training, level of quality of training, combat experience, equipment which are factors that are immeasurable, I cant imagine Indias defenses being to difficult to destroy in quick attacks its just the numbers game that keeps them in it.

Pretty outlandish statement .. We all saw Italians giving taliban to save their behind in Afghanistan .. We all saw American professionalism in Iraq,Afghanistan or even vietnam .. Heck we all saw russian soldiers and their discipline .. And so on? Level of experience .. Do you think N.A,European or japanese ? Troops have more experience ? How so ? A lot of armies I.e, Indian , Pakistan, Indonesians seeing combat in a shit load of regions around the world .. Be it PA serving in the worlds highest battlefield Siachin or Central African Republic or the bordering regions o war torn Afghanistan... From military advisors helping Sri Lankans against LTTE to training GCC troops or Nigerians... Serving in frozen hell to bone dry deserts .. From wetlands covered by mangroves to forested mountains.

Or is that your troops fall from heaven ?

All it takes is a few nuclear bombs and any nation is damaged beyond repair for many many years and most people will lose huge amounts of their family, if a country the size of Iceland had nuclear capability and started a war with China who has more to lose, it matters little how many soldiers or nukes you have, one is all that is needed for the world to fall into destruction.

Both countries will ge screwed .. Who will suffer most ? Iceland itself can kiss its *** goodbye owing to its small population concentrated in urban cities....

It won't happen. (War with china,for which interests ?)
End of the story.

Hypothetical scenario.

 

[Gabriel92]

Hypothetical scenario.

We won't attack any country,we have no interests in going to war against any country,we aren't savages,we have an army that is strong enough to defend itself against any aggression,a country will think twice before attacking us,we have pretty good relations with almost all countries on the world.
So i laugh when i see France vs China,or India vs France+Uk or whatever.
We have to be realistic sometimes.
A conflict between India and China (for exemple) is most likely to happen(at more than 50%),while a confrontation between us vs China or India is below 0%

 

[jhungary]

Some US Think Tanks have proposed to reduce the supercarrier battlegroup because they believe those supercarriers are some easy targets for China's hypersonic weapons, so it is better to spend more money to build more nuclear subs and their own hypersonic weapons which will become the decisive factor for the future warfare.

But most of their Think Tanks believe that a direct war with China is unlikely, so it is better to maintain the carrier battlegroup for the better normal projection capability.

A double No

No, those think tank did not suggest to downsize the fleet carrier but put more in dry dock and save budget from operation. Currently US have 9 active carrier and 5 active light carrier going around at anytime at the moment, they suggested that to go down to 8/4 and put one more in dock

And the second no goes to No, the US does not do that because they afraid of Chinese HGV and ASBM, but simply because of budget. Putting 2 ship in dock will save billions of dollars

 

[AUz]

People thinking India can beat UK ha, its all about experience and professionalism, something which is almost impossible to instill in soldiers outside of Europe/Russia/North America/East Asia. UK wouldnt beat India but a UK soldier is worth 10 of an Indians in terms of knowledge, training, level of quality of training, combat experience, equipment which are factors that are immeasurable, I cant imagine Indias defenses being to difficult to destroy in quick attacks its just the numbers game that keeps them in it.

Sure.

Historically Persians, Turks, Mongols, Arabs etc. weren't good soldiers...even though they spanked Europeans on grand scale for centuries.

Or may be you are talking about modern world...i.e...post 18th century Industrial World when Europe took the lead over others (and still maintains it).

I won't mark down Indo-Pak soldiers on professionalism and training...Funny sh!t though, the "toughest" exercises UK has design till now to test soldiers' endurance, professionalism, and leadership skills are called Cambrian Patrols---and those exercises have seen Pakistani and Indian soldiers getting gold medals again and again over the years, beating soldiers from U.K, Australia, and France in performance, endurance, and leadership.

However, I do agree that U.K military as a whole might be more combat ready with superior experience than us. Especially the leadership and weapon systems of Western forces are still superior to others---though the gap has been decreasing.

Reality is, in 18th century, British forces could defeat Indian forces in India. Come today, British forces can't even think about stepping into Pakistan/India without getting themselves shredded into pieces by much superior firepower of Indo-Pak militaries.

Time to catch up to the reality, son.

We won't attack any country,we have no interests in going to war against any country,we aren't savages,we have an army that is strong enough to defend itself against any aggression,a country will think twice before attacking us,we have pretty good relations with almost all countries on the world.
So i laugh when i see France vs China,or India vs France+Uk or whatever.
We have to be realistic sometimes.
A conflict between India and China (for exemple) is most likely to happen(at more than 50%),while a confrontation between us vs China or India is below 0%

lol, irony.

Anyways, I hope France stop its tilt towards ultra-right and also stop taking colonialism tax from already poor African nations.

Till then, the bold part remains what it is...a sweet irony.

 

[j20dragon]

You just tell me how the Anglo-French expeditionary force will counter a hail of a couple of hundreds of supersonic Brahmos or thousands of Nirbhay cruise missiles at the same time.Heck,their transport ships won't even get the chance to cross the strait of Hormuz before going down to the bottom of the Arabian Sea.Plus we also have to keep in mind the power of IAF which itself is capable of decimating any expeditionary force that dare to venture inside the Indian sphere of influence at the I.O.R..
That's why nobody and i repeat nobody in this God's green earth can win over India in a conventional war in it's own turf no matter how much powerful armed forces the country has.

Trust me, an all-out war between UK or France vs India, India will come out losing. You kept bragging all about your weapons but you have to remember that those are "fixed number". It comes in limited supply and eventually you run out and UK/France will feed on it.

 

[AUz]

Trust me, an all-out war between UK or France vs India, India will come out losing. You kept bragging all about your weapons but you have to remember that those are "fixed number". It comes in limited supply and eventually you run out and UK/France will feed on it.

Every non-Western nation like India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, KSA, and so on needs to ready these lines and understand that unless we become industrial giant producers ourselves, it is useless to compare ourselves to Western nations.

 

[j20dragon]

Every non-Western nation like India, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt, KSA, and so on needs to ready these lines and understand that unless we become industrial giant producers ourselves, it is useless to compare ourselves to Western nations.

Exactly. That is why Western Power are so powerful for so long despite them trying to lower their defense spending. PK nowadays did a good job. You guys can produce tank and aircraft now. Must improved on naval asset though.

 

[KAL-EL]

@ChineseTiger1986 This is laughable how you are understating other countries in general and overstating yours.

Listening to what he says, one might think the US was a 3rd world military power. I guess the US should surrender now The USN is also a complete joke and incapable of any second strike capability.